Taking lessons in Biblical theology from someone like Savage is like taking lessons in the physiology and psychology of blacks from a KKK member.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
It is not the root cause by any stretch. If it were one could point to homosexual pogroms by Christians historically. [/quote]
“In medieval Europe, homosexuality was considered sodomy and was punishable by death. Persecutions reached their height during the Medieval Inquisitions, when the sects of Cathars and Waldensians were accused of fornication and sodomy, alongside accusations of satanism. In 1307, accusations of sodomy and homosexuality were major charges leveled during the Trial of the Knights Templar.[30] The theologian Thomas Aquinas was influential in linking condemnations of homosexuality with the idea of natural law, arguing that “special sins are against nature, as, for instance, those that run counter to the intercourse of male and female natural to animals, and so are peculiarly qualified as unnatural vices.”[31]”
Even today there are Christian dominated countries where homosexuality is highly illegal.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
If it were Christians would be the ones committing assaults against homosexuals as opposed to drunk, testoterone-fueled, secular young heterosexual men. Even in Islamic countries where homosexuality is punishable by death I would no go so far as to say that Islamic teachings are the ‘root cause.’ Your argument is specious.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter who actually is committing the acts, our society is heavily influenced by Christian culture and has shaped our attitudes. Look around you - our calendar, the names of places, many of our customs arose from Christian culture.
You can’t preach homosexuality as immoral throughout thousands of churches to millions of people and NOT expect it to have an impact on society.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
“In medieval Europe, homosexuality was considered sodomy and was punishable by death. Persecutions reached their height during the Medieval Inquisitions, when the sects of Cathars and Waldensians were accused of fornication and sodomy, alongside accusations of satanism. In 1307, accusations of sodomy and homosexuality were major charges leveled during the Trial of the Knights Templar.[30] The theologian Thomas Aquinas was influential in linking condemnations of homosexuality with the idea of natural law, arguing that “special sins are against nature, as, for instance, those that run counter to the intercourse of male and female natural to animals, and so are peculiarly qualified as unnatural vices.”[31]”
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More people have been killed by Islamic fundamentalists since 9/11 than all the people killed in the inquisition over more than a century. How many of those were homosexuals? You are supposed to be substantiating your assertion that religion is the ‘root cause’ of the relatively rare incidents where gay people are assaulted for being gay. As I said before, your argument is specious.
Grasping at straws.
Gay folks are bullied and assaulted because they’re often effeminate–or, are perceived to be–sticking out like a sore thumb among young males jockeying for a spot in the pecking order. Ask the nerds, dweebs, geeks, poor kid wearing generic walmart shoes, and the plain old quite ‘new guy in school.’
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gay folks are bullied and assaulted because they’re often effeminate–or, are perceived to be–sticking out like a sore thumb among young males jockeying for a spot in the pecking order. Ask the nerds, dweebs, geeks, poor kid wearing generic walmart shoes, and the plain old quite ‘new guy in school.’[/quote]
Well said Sloth.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Finally, Pink Pistols, the ultimate anti bullying campaign:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Pistols[/quote]
Schools are gun free zones.
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Yeah, but if you get bullied long enough you can simmer for years in the knowledge that you can get the gun as soon as you are old enough.
I would think that this was food for thought for all aspiring bullies too.
If all else fails, find out what Leviticus commands the shithead in question is breaking and organize your own rally, including Bible verses and all. [/quote]
I’d hate to have to bring JB in here, but Leviticus doesn’t apply to gentiles.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gay folks are bullied and assaulted because they’re often effeminate–or, are perceived to be–sticking out like a sore thumb among young males jockeying for a spot in the pecking order. Ask the nerds, dweebs, geeks, poor kid wearing generic walmart shoes, and the plain old quite ‘new guy in school.’[/quote]
Well said Sloth.[/quote]
So which category did you 2 fall into as a young kids in school?
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gay folks are bullied and assaulted because they’re often effeminate–or, are perceived to be–sticking out like a sore thumb among young males jockeying for a spot in the pecking order. Ask the nerds, dweebs, geeks, poor kid wearing generic walmart shoes, and the plain old quite ‘new guy in school.’[/quote]
Well said Sloth.[/quote]
So which category did you 2 fall into as a young kids in school?[/quote]
The dirt poor kid, often new, not quick to make friends.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Finally, Pink Pistols, the ultimate anti bullying campaign:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Pistols[/quote]
Schools are gun free zones.
[/quote]
Yeah, but if you get bullied long enough you can simmer for years in the knowledge that you can get the gun as soon as you are old enough.
I would think that this was food for thought for all aspiring bullies too.
If all else fails, find out what Leviticus commands the shithead in question is breaking and organize your own rally, including Bible verses and all. [/quote]
I’d hate to have to bring JB in here, but Leviticus doesn’t apply to gentiles. [/quote]
Gentile…that’s someone who isn’t a Mormon right?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Finally, Pink Pistols, the ultimate anti bullying campaign:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Pistols[/quote]
Schools are gun free zones.
[/quote]
Yeah, but if you get bullied long enough you can simmer for years in the knowledge that you can get the gun as soon as you are old enough.
I would think that this was food for thought for all aspiring bullies too.
If all else fails, find out what Leviticus commands the shithead in question is breaking and organize your own rally, including Bible verses and all. [/quote]
I’d hate to have to bring JB in here, but Leviticus doesn’t apply to gentiles. [/quote]
Gentile…that’s someone who isn’t a Mormon right?[/quote]
Exactly.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Finally, Pink Pistols, the ultimate anti bullying campaign:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Pistols[/quote]
Schools are gun free zones.
[/quote]
Yeah, but if you get bullied long enough you can simmer for years in the knowledge that you can get the gun as soon as you are old enough.
I would think that this was food for thought for all aspiring bullies too.
If all else fails, find out what Leviticus commands the shithead in question is breaking and organize your own rally, including Bible verses and all. [/quote]
I’d hate to have to bring JB in here, but Leviticus doesn’t apply to gentiles. [/quote]
Even though I find that doubtful I know that a lot of the people bashing gays are darn sure that it does apply to all people.
I can read Bible verses as well as the next guy when they are held up on a cardboard sign and the word ABOMINATION is a dead giveaway.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Taking lessons in Biblical theology from someone like Savage is like taking lessons in the physiology and psychology of blacks from a KKK member.[/quote]
Having to have pointed glaring hypocrisy pointed out by him if you are a self professed Christian is without any doubt something to be deeply ashamed of.
Of course, one can always run away.
At least they did it in quiet dignity instead of sticking their fingers in their ear and singing their favorite psalm.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Taking lessons in Biblical theology from someone like Savage is like taking lessons in the physiology and psychology of blacks from a KKK member.[/quote]
Having to have pointed glaring hypocrisy pointed out by him if you are a self professed Christian is without any doubt something to be deeply ashamed of.
Of course, one can always run away.
At least they did it in quiet dignity instead of sticking their fingers in their ear and singing their favorite psalm. [/quote]
I listened to the first couple of minutes, and after about the 100th made up, erroneous “fact” about the Bible, I turned it off.
I’m sure you’d sit in a lecture hall and listen to a communist speak the “truth” about capitalism.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Taking lessons in Biblical theology from someone like Savage is like taking lessons in the physiology and psychology of blacks from a KKK member.[/quote]
Having to have pointed glaring hypocrisy pointed out by him if you are a self professed Christian is without any doubt something to be deeply ashamed of.
Of course, one can always run away.
At least they did it in quiet dignity instead of sticking their fingers in their ear and singing their favorite psalm. [/quote]
I listened to the first couple of minutes, and after about the 100th made up, erroneous “fact” about the Bible, I turned it off. [/quote]
Well, if one has to draw the Bible into a discussion it helps having read it, cliffnotes sometimes will not do.
The fact remains that a women wearing clothes made out of two fibers, someone who has mouthed off to his or her parents or anyone who has touched a pig skin on Sabbath has no business lecturing gays about the finer details of Leviticus or Deuteronomy.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Taking lessons in Biblical theology from someone like Savage is like taking lessons in the physiology and psychology of blacks from a KKK member.[/quote]
Having to have pointed glaring hypocrisy pointed out by him if you are a self professed Christian is without any doubt something to be deeply ashamed of.
Of course, one can always run away.
At least they did it in quiet dignity instead of sticking their fingers in their ear and singing their favorite psalm. [/quote]
I listened to the first couple of minutes, and after about the 100th made up, erroneous “fact” about the Bible, I turned it off. [/quote]
Well, if one has to draw the Bible into a discussion it helps having read it, cliffnotes sometimes will not do.
The fact remains that a women wearing clothes made out of two fibers, someone who has mouthed off to his or her parents or anyone who has touched a pig skin on Sabbath has no business lecturing gays about the finer details of Leviticus or Deuteronomy.[/quote]
And you just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt you know nothing about the Bible or old testament law.
And I have read the Bible.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Taking lessons in Biblical theology from someone like Savage is like taking lessons in the physiology and psychology of blacks from a KKK member.[/quote]
Having to have pointed glaring hypocrisy pointed out by him if you are a self professed Christian is without any doubt something to be deeply ashamed of.
Of course, one can always run away.
At least they did it in quiet dignity instead of sticking their fingers in their ear and singing their favorite psalm. [/quote]
I listened to the first couple of minutes, and after about the 100th made up, erroneous “fact” about the Bible, I turned it off. [/quote]
Well, if one has to draw the Bible into a discussion it helps having read it, cliffnotes sometimes will not do.
The fact remains that a women wearing clothes made out of two fibers, someone who has mouthed off to his or her parents or anyone who has touched a pig skin on Sabbath has no business lecturing gays about the finer details of Leviticus or Deuteronomy.[/quote]
And you just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt you know nothing about the Bible or old testament law.
And I have read the Bible.[/quote]
Not to mention the total lack of rationality relating a moral teaching to ability to and duty lecture. Much the way whatshisface equates (without logical connection) a teaching about the right or wrong of a personal action to bullying others.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Taking lessons in Biblical theology from someone like Savage is like taking lessons in the physiology and psychology of blacks from a KKK member.[/quote]
Having to have pointed glaring hypocrisy pointed out by him if you are a self professed Christian is without any doubt something to be deeply ashamed of.
Of course, one can always run away.
At least they did it in quiet dignity instead of sticking their fingers in their ear and singing their favorite psalm. [/quote]
I listened to the first couple of minutes, and after about the 100th made up, erroneous “fact” about the Bible, I turned it off. [/quote]
Well, if one has to draw the Bible into a discussion it helps having read it, cliffnotes sometimes will not do.
The fact remains that a women wearing clothes made out of two fibers, someone who has mouthed off to his or her parents or anyone who has touched a pig skin on Sabbath has no business lecturing gays about the finer details of Leviticus or Deuteronomy.[/quote]
And you just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt you know nothing about the Bible or old testament law.[/quote]
Nonsense, I even know how the more literate Christians dance out of this.
This however are exactly not the Christians who throw words like ABOMINATION around, because if you look at it, the word abomination is not mentioned once in the NT, only in the old one, specifically Leviticus when it comes to homosexuality.
Of course I deny that homosexuality as such is even mentioned in the NT, but even if it was, not as an ABOMINATION.
Anything less you would like to know from someone who has absolutely no idea about the Bible or old testament law?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Taking lessons in Biblical theology from someone like Savage is like taking lessons in the physiology and psychology of blacks from a KKK member.[/quote]
Having to have pointed glaring hypocrisy pointed out by him if you are a self professed Christian is without any doubt something to be deeply ashamed of.
Of course, one can always run away.
At least they did it in quiet dignity instead of sticking their fingers in their ear and singing their favorite psalm. [/quote]
I listened to the first couple of minutes, and after about the 100th made up, erroneous “fact” about the Bible, I turned it off. [/quote]
Well, if one has to draw the Bible into a discussion it helps having read it, cliffnotes sometimes will not do.
The fact remains that a women wearing clothes made out of two fibers, someone who has mouthed off to his or her parents or anyone who has touched a pig skin on Sabbath has no business lecturing gays about the finer details of Leviticus or Deuteronomy.[/quote]
And you just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt you know nothing about the Bible or old testament law.
And I have read the Bible.[/quote]
Not to mention the total lack of rationality relating a moral teaching to ability to and duty lecture. Much the way whatshisface equates (without logical connection) a teaching about the right or wrong of a personal action to bullying others.[/quote]
Well, what is wrong with pointing that anyone has the ability to mouth off to his parents and the duty not to and that they oughta be stoned if they slip on the straight and narrow?
Everyone has the ability to wear clothes made of one fabric and the moral duty to do so, what is wrong with pointing out that these harlots failing to do so need some serious stoning?
If they are that concerned about this whole stuff, they should not annoy other people in public but get some wool and start knitting.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Taking lessons in Biblical theology from someone like Savage is like taking lessons in the physiology and psychology of blacks from a KKK member.[/quote]
Having to have pointed glaring hypocrisy pointed out by him if you are a self professed Christian is without any doubt something to be deeply ashamed of.
Of course, one can always run away.
At least they did it in quiet dignity instead of sticking their fingers in their ear and singing their favorite psalm. [/quote]
I listened to the first couple of minutes, and after about the 100th made up, erroneous “fact” about the Bible, I turned it off. [/quote]
Well, if one has to draw the Bible into a discussion it helps having read it, cliffnotes sometimes will not do.
The fact remains that a women wearing clothes made out of two fibers, someone who has mouthed off to his or her parents or anyone who has touched a pig skin on Sabbath has no business lecturing gays about the finer details of Leviticus or Deuteronomy.[/quote]
And you just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt you know nothing about the Bible or old testament law.[/quote]
Nonsense, I even know how the more literate Christians dance out of this.
This however are exactly not the Christians who throw words like ABOMINATION around, because if you look at it, the word abomination is not mentioned once in the NT, only in the old one, specifically Leviticus when it comes to homosexuality.
Of course I deny that homosexuality as such is even mentioned in the NT, but even if it was, not as an ABOMINATION.
Anything less you would like to know from someone who has absolutely no idea about the Bible or old testament law?[/quote]
Meaning you did a google word search?
I read “mien kampf”, obviously I know what it meant to be a Nazi. And I could certainly teach Nazi people from back then about what they actually believed.
Besides, you didn’t “read it” (google search) well, because homosexuality is in the NT.
