[quote]InTheZone wrote:
No kicks or anything new at all. [/quote]
I think that was on purpose. He didn’t want to get taken down.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
No kicks or anything new at all.
I think that was on purpose. He didn’t want to get taken down.[/quote]
True and good point.
I think the point is that Chuck needs more arsenal besides countering and the big overhand shots. Everyone in the upper echelon of the light heavies knows what Chuck likes to do, and it’s painfully obvious that it’s not going to work for him anymore. He needs to work on rounding out his weaponry and changing things up big time or he’s through imho. Like someone said he’s not fast enough anymore to leave those hands down like he’s never going to get tagged and/or the chin will prevail from said shots. Fuck it’s killing me to watch him go downhill. I don’t think John is mixing anything new into his game and that’s a big mistake.
What have we seen from him that’s a surprise? One fight with very few, the spinning back fist which didn’t do much, and the succesful but not very impressive take down of a winded Wandy? He has no ground and pound, and submissions, what are those right?
If he could just accomplish some added weapons for people to honestly worry about then he has a chance, otherwise I’m afraid he’s really done now.
I respect the guy and what he’s done, don’t get me wrong, I hope he can do something to get a few good fights more for us to see. It’s looking bleak though.
Oh well.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
No kicks or anything new at all.
I think that was on purpose. He didn’t want to get taken down.[/quote]
Chuck didn’t use low kicks also.
I think in MMA it’s good strategy to train your strongest points most (like Chuck does), but you can’t be too focused on one aspect of fighting, because it gets back to you in some ridiculous form of “I’m not a good grappler, so I’ll fuck up my striking to keep the fight on feet”.
Especially when fighting a guy, who’s not wrestling/grappling specialist only.
P.S. What InTheZone said.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
IT was indeed a shame to see Chuck just go out there with business as usual tactics. Wtf is his camp thinking anyway?
No kicks or anything new at all. What a dissapointment that was. Seeing the spinning backfist and the takedown on Wandy, was just a glimpse of what he should be doing now.
I think he needs more aggressiveness also in todays arena. He paced around with Rashad the whole first round and basicly let Rashad get his number on the timing while doing diddly shit. He just doesn’t seem to move around well at all. He was clearly getting frustrated trying to keep up with Rashad in the cage.
I’ve been worried and irritated about his low hanging hands for quite some time now, and had thought for sure he would have been mixing shit up a lot more by now to stay a force in the game. I’m almost wondering if he needs to get a new camp now if John can’t get a better gameplan together than what we saw Saturday night.
Anyone think a new camp might be the ticket yet besides me?
Happy for Pelligrino fwtw. He’s a gamer every time.
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I think Chuck/The Pit has Mark Coleman/Hammer House syndrome, lots of talent, just too set in their ways to adapt to new ideas and tactics.
I don’t think Chuck is done just yet. He still has some good fights in him, and always has the ability to win with a big hook from nowhere.
Sento, I think altering any facet of Lidells approach would completely throw off his style. Someone has surely tried to get him to use a more orthodox approach by now. We here at T-Nation can’t possibly be the first to think of it.
Also, I think W.Silva vs Griffin would be exciting, but only for about 20 seconds. Silva’s too strong/fast/aggressive. Bonner doesn’t have near the power Silva does, and neither does Griffin. That’s why they could stand there and trade bombs. If Griffin tried that with Silva he’d get Jardine’d.
[quote]analog_kid wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
IT was indeed a shame to see Chuck just go out there with business as usual tactics. Wtf is his camp thinking anyway?
No kicks or anything new at all. What a dissapointment that was. Seeing the spinning backfist and the takedown on Wandy, was just a glimpse of what he should be doing now.
I think he needs more aggressiveness also in todays arena. He paced around with Rashad the whole first round and basicly let Rashad get his number on the timing while doing diddly shit. He just doesn’t seem to move around well at all. He was clearly getting frustrated trying to keep up with Rashad in the cage.
I’ve been worried and irritated about his low hanging hands for quite some time now, and had thought for sure he would have been mixing shit up a lot more by now to stay a force in the game. I’m almost wondering if he needs to get a new camp now if John can’t get a better gameplan together than what we saw Saturday night.
Anyone think a new camp might be the ticket yet besides me?
Happy for Pelligrino fwtw. He’s a gamer every time.
I think Chuck/The Pit has Mark Coleman/Hammer House syndrome, lots of talent, just too set in their ways to adapt to new ideas and tactics.
I don’t think Chuck is done just yet. He still has some good fights in him, and always has the ability to win with a big hook from nowhere.
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Totally agree, not good to get so set in stone with the pace of the talent out there. I do want him to realize his potential further as it’s quite possible with the right adjustments and his natural abilities.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Sento, I think altering any facet of Lidells approach would completely throw off his style. Someone has surely tried to get him to use a more orthodox approach by now. We here at T-Nation can’t possibly be the first to think of it.
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I’m not doubting that no one has thought of trying to teach him some better fundamentals. Unfortunately, he doesn’t seem humble enough to actually realize that he doing so would improve his game and thus hasn’t spent the necessary time working on them.
I hope that this fight will be the humbling experience that he needs to finally get through to him that he has some glaring weaknesses that he needs to work on.
I’d actually agree with finding a different camp. And since he’s been beaten twice now by Greg Jackson’s camp (which has been doing phenomenally lately), maybe going to train there might not be a bad move.
If it was just striking fundamentals that he needed, then he might be better off actually going to train with some world class kickboxers (who could possibly also humble him in training). But seeing as he completely lacks a submission game, and pretty much avoids the ground (in all but a few rare cases) he might do better to train somewhere that he could train everything.
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Also, I think W.Silva vs Griffin would be exciting, but only for about 20 seconds. Silva’s too strong/fast/aggressive. Bonner doesn’t have near the power Silva does, and neither does Griffin. That’s why they could stand there and trade bombs. If Griffin tried that with Silva he’d get Jardine’d.[/quote]
Yeah, I won’t argue with that.