As I’ve said, Romney can win this by virtue of the not-Romney vote (and that’s exactly what is) being split. So yes, it is likely we’ll end up with a moderate parading in conservative clothing.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
It occurred to me that one of the reasons that Sloth doesn’t like Romney is because he plays the game better than his competition.
Who in 2012, that is likely to win, is doing and saying what YOU want them to? [/quote]
I’ve said it before, this isn’t a game to me. The Romney level of building a political persona out of scratch, is far and above my tolerance level for politicians. This isn’t football or basketball. This is about me supporting actual conservatives. Not playing along like the abused red-headed conservative step-child of an abusive moderate Republican party. Any of the others, besides Paul, are more palatable than Romney.
Basically, Romney is my no vote.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
As I’ve said, Romney can win this by virtue of the not-Romney vote (and that’s exactly what is) being split. So yes, it is likely we’ll end up with a moderate parading in conservative clothing.[/quote]
Or was he parading as a moderate in Massachusetts and now he’s showing his true colors?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
As I’ve said, Romney can win this by virtue of the not-Romney vote (and that’s exactly what is) being split. So yes, it is likely we’ll end up with a moderate parading in conservative clothing.[/quote]
Or was he parading as a moderate in Massachusetts and now he’s showing his true colors? [/quote]
Is this what you’re offering? Is it how you perceive it?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
It occurred to me that one of the reasons that Sloth doesn’t like Romney is because he plays the game better than his competition.
Who in 2012, that is likely to win, is doing and saying what YOU want them to? [/quote]
I’ve said it before, this isn’t a game to me. The Romney level of building a political persona out of scratch, is far and above my tolerance level for politicians. This isn’t football or basketball. This is about me supporting actual conservatives. Not playing along like the abused red-headed conservative step-child of an abusive moderate Republican party. Any of the others, besides Paul, are more palatable than Romney. [/quote]
Yeah, that’s all well and good Sloth, I get it, it’s not a game to you, but that changes nothing. What you don’t understand is this IS THE GAME. And I’m not using that word to demean the importance of the process. It’s simply the game of politics, a serious game. And not unlike football it is a game of inches. In this case electoral votes. And persuading people to vote for the proper candidate is a skill. What the candidate says is very carefully scripted. For example, do you think it was a coincidence that Romney went after Huntsman in the last debate? Other candidates attacked Romney but he didn’t respond so much directly to them. However, not so with Huntsman. He was trying to raise Huntsman’s numbers by having a direct exchange with him. The average viewer doesn’t know who Huntsman is, but many do now. By raising Huntsman’s numbers he automatically lowers someone else’s. Think about it. By the way I loved the way he smacked down Netw Gingrich. Did you notice how quickly he rattled off the three things that were correct about the negative TV spots that Newty boy was whining about? He was ready for him–and Newt walked into it. That’s the kind of guy I want up on stage facing off with Obama!
Anyway…
Keep in mind Romney and his backers didn’t invent the game, it’s always been there. Obama played it as well as anyone ever has three years ago. “Hope and Change” and “Look at me I’m black and very cool…” He lined them up by the millions - Nice job huh? While on the other side we had this gray haired old Vietnam vet ranting and raving. Half the time he looked like a nut. I stayed clear of that stinker, he was a loser from day one. This time around I will be putting as much money as I can muster to help Romney get elected. He’s a winner!
So sit this one out, vote for Obama, or support Romney. I understand you must follow your conscience. And at some level I respect you for that. But I do think in a span of 10 years or so you may change your mind. It’s going to take a few democrat wins for you to get so sick and tired that you will eventually come on board and understand that “purity” in politicians is about as rare as bikini clad babes at a convent.
If Obama wins another four years and gets to appoint liberal judges and wreak further havoc on this nations economy (and raises Sloth’s taxes) you may start to come around, I know I did many years ago. If you get hit hard enough and often enough----you’ll play the game…you will…yep.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
As I’ve said, Romney can win this by virtue of the not-Romney vote (and that’s exactly what is) being split. So yes, it is likely we’ll end up with a moderate parading in conservative clothing.[/quote]
Or was he parading as a moderate in Massachusetts and now he’s showing his true colors? [/quote]
Is this what you’re offering? Is it how you perceive it?[/quote]
Told you before buddy…I don’t know and I don’t care. For the 5th time if he wins that means that he had some level of support from the conservative wing of the party, Tea Party leaders etc. So he’ll have to govern from center right. And if he wants to get reelected he won’t burn the bridges that helped cross him over to victory.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Did you notice how quickly he rattled off the three things that were correct about the negative TV spots that Newty boy was whining about? He was ready for him–and Newt walked into it. That’s the kind of guy I want up on stage facing off with Obama!
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Yes, after claiming he hadn’t seen the ads. And no, there’s not a chance that’ll I’ll vote for Romney. I’ll be here until Obama defeats him, if he clinches the nomination, making the case for conservatives to not hand power over to moderate control of the GoP.
I also saw Newt backhand Romney on his claim to be some non-political creature. Brilliant stuff. And boy, Huntsman even smacked him down over his ambassadorship. Romney is exactly the candidate Obama wants.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Told you before buddy…I don’t know and I don’t care.
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Apparently not.
Release those tax returns.
Bahahahahaha!
Sloth and ZEB going in pathetic circles not realizing they are both voting for the same thing no matter who they decide.
A vote for anyone but Ron Paul is a vote for Obama.
No one else can beat him. Not Santorum, Not Romney, Not Gingrich. Ron Paul.
Why? Because pissed off dems and indies will vote for him but they won’t vote for those others.
Deal with it. It’s the most probable outcome.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Told you before buddy…I don’t know and I don’t care.
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Apparently not.
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Don’t take the quote out of context Sloth. As long as he behaves like one who cares? Don’t leave that part out pal.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Release those tax returns.[/quote]
If he’s really using offshore accounts—Smart Man! 
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Release those tax returns.[/quote]
If he’s really using offshore accounts—Smart Man!
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Not for a run at the General Election in these economic times.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Did you notice how quickly he rattled off the three things that were correct about the negative TV spots that Newty boy was whining about? He was ready for him–and Newt walked into it. That’s the kind of guy I want up on stage facing off with Obama!
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Yes, after claiming he hadn’t seen the ads. And no, there’s not a chance that’ll I’ll vote for Romney. I’ll be here until Obama defeats him, if he clinches the nomination, making the case for conservatives to not hand power over to moderate control of the GoP.
I also saw Newt backhand Romney on his claim to be some non-political creature. Brilliant stuff. And boy, Huntsman even smacked him down over his ambassadorship. Romney is exactly the candidate Obama wants. [/quote]
I guess we all see and hear what we want to. I thought Romney said that he hadn’t seen “all” the ads…he went on to say “but the one I saw…” Anyway, I could be wrong but I think that’s how it went down.
As Huntsman he never really laid glove on him. And if you like Huntsman then you are betraying your own values as you know he worked for Obama. Finally, if you think that Obama would rather face Romney than say Santorum you are mistaken. One mor case of projection on your part. And here’s why:
In a recent poll 27% of the people described themselves as republicans, 30% as democrats and about 40% as independents!
Tell me Sloth how does a far right wing candidate like Santorum win with the deck stacked like that? I mean sure he’s a great guy and I can’t remember the last time I disagreed with anything that he’s said, but how does he win? And you already know how I feel regarding the press in all of this.
Would you be happy if Santorum got the nod and on election day Obama had captured 55% of the vote to Santorum’s 45%. Would that somehow make you feel really good inside? I would be heading to the bathroom to puke. But I guess that’s what separates us. You must have a higher tolerance for getting your teeth kicked in that I do. And I have a higher tolerance for accepting a candidate who can win even though I don’t agree with everything he’s said or done in the past.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Told you before buddy…I don’t know and I don’t care.
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Apparently not.
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Why would any person care as long as he felt that Romney would lead from center right? Do you want to punish him for his past moderate sins? Is that what this is all about? I’d rather forgive him for those things and punish Obama for his border line socialist policies. But I guess that’s one more thing that separates us politically.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Release those tax returns.[/quote]
If he’s really using offshore accounts—Smart Man!
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Not for a run at the General Election in these economic times. [/quote]
No candidate is without baggage. Certainly Obama has a ton at this point. And unlike Romney’s baggage Obama’s has effected American voters. And unlike you I’m hoping that he will be punished for that.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Sloth wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Did you notice how quickly he rattled off the three things that were correct about the negative TV spots that Newty boy was whining about? He was ready for him–and Newt walked into it. That’s the kind of guy I want up on stage facing off with Obama!
Yes, after claiming he hadn’t seen the ads. And no, there’s not a chance that’ll I’ll vote for Romney. I’ll be here until Obama defeats him, if he clinches the nomination, making the case for conservatives to not hand power over to moderate control of the GoP.
I also saw Newt backhand Romney on his claim to be some non-political creature. Brilliant stuff. And boy, Huntsman even smacked him down over his ambassadorship. Romney is exactly the candidate Obama wants. [/quote]
I guess we all see and hear what we want to. I thought Romney said that he hadn’t seen “all” the ads…he went on to say “but the one I saw…” Anyway, I could be wrong but I think that’s how it went down.
As for Huntsman he never really laid glove on him, unless you count that Chinese sentence as damaging Romney. No you wouldn’t think that…would you? And if you like Huntsman then you are betraying your own values as you know he worked for Obama. Finally, if you think that Obama would rather face Romney than say Santorum you are mistaken. One mor case of projection on your part. And here’s why:
In a recent poll 27% of the people described themselves as republicans, 30% as democrats and about 40% as independents!
Tell me Sloth how does a far right wing candidate like Santorum win with the deck stacked like that? I mean sure he’s a great guy and I can’t remember the last time I disagreed with anything that he’s said, but how does he win? And you already know how I feel regarding the press in all of this.
Would you be happy if Santorum got the nod and on election day Obama had captured 55% of the vote to Santorum’s 45%. Would that somehow make you feel really good inside? I would be heading to the bathroom to puke. But I guess that’s what separates us. You must have a higher tolerance for getting your teeth kicked in that I do. And I have a higher tolerance for accepting a candidate who can win even though I don’t agree with everything he’s said or done in the past.
I’m tired of it, until we’re at a more advanced stage in the process. This is now repetitive. To close, I’ve no interest in turning the party over to independent and moderates. But do expect the republican share to shrink further, as conservatives say good riddance, go independent, and begin to wait for a conservative party . Good luck, with that.
By the way, Romney is also a ‘far right wing candidate’, as you must’ve heard the other night in the debate. Oh, that’s right, you know he’s lying to the ‘far right wing,’ just like everyone else knows. You’re handing Obama the perfect candidate. You keep raising the question about why the press is more interested in the other candidates. Why, indeed. Why has Romney, the favorite, been relatively unchecked? Why?
Because he is the perfect guy for Obama to stomp all over in this environment. Get ready to hear a lot about out of touch predatory capitalists. Bain. His competition is about to air what the media has been siting on, only hinting about, until now. Be ready to hear a lot about wealth tucked away overseas, and tax returns held back. About men who bet $10k on stage without breaking a sweat. About a man who has acquired, gutted, laid off, and then profited on businesses. With at least one company receiving federal funds, while Bain continued to pull in the dough. About a man who is the epitome of political salesman, remaking himself completely for the task at hand.
Watch the conservative base show a low turnout, and the independent and moderates say “to heck with the slick fella. Unemployment is heading in the right direction, finally. Stay the course.” Mitt Romney IS the perfect candidate in this environment, to beat. He’s made it this far due to a split not-Romney search among candidates with nowhere near the funds and organization he has. In Florida, I’m already getting his super-pac anti-Gingrich mail ads near weekly. Not one ad from anyone else, outside of Paul. Obama doesn’t have that problem. That machine is well-oiled, calibrated for Romney, and ready to fire up. By the time they’re done, Obama will be running against a disconnected, Wall Street, political weather vane, in an unfriendly environment.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
By the way, Romney is also a ‘far right wing candidate’, as you must’ve heard the other night in the debate. Oh, that’s right, you know he’s lying to the ‘far right wing,’ just like everyone else knows. [/quote]
I don’t know where you get your political information but for the 6th time, politicians try to expand their base by claiming to be all things to all people. And the all do it, that’s how you win.
The reason has been that there has been a different front runner for the past several months. Perry was the front runner and then people realized that he had the debating skills of a retard. Then Herman Cain was the front runner (you liked him remember?) then it turned out that he sexually harassed most of the females in his state. (Note, Bill Clinton did the same thing but the press didn’t care as much remember?) Then the front runner was Newt Gingrich and then the press (and Romney pacs) destroyed him by telling the truth about him. It’s a bad thing when the truth can sink you (he was removed as Speaker huh?). Finally, we had Rick Santorum surge to second place in Iowa, but he had no real organization in NH and instead of doing what his advisors said and conceding NH and going to SC to get a jump on his competitors he stayed in NH and will get his ass kicked tonight.
So tell me Sloth you’ve complained repeatedly that the republicans don’t want Romney and his numbers are always low. Now you say he’s the front runner and not being veted because Obama wants to run against him. Which is it?
Do you think the three time married disgraced Speaker of the House, or the far right wing Mr. Pork belley Rick Santorum would be a better candidate to face Obama? Or, do you agree with the 2% who still want Rick Perry the babbling idiot? Or, like so many 20 somethings on this board we can put forward the doddering old fool Ron Paul and lose the gerneral election by epic proportions! If you take a good look you’d have to admit that Romney is the only man who can beat Obama. He may lose for many reasons which I’ve given but he’s our best shot.
They will say all of that and more. The Chicago political machine is working overtime to disgrace Romney. Know why? Because that’s how the game is played…the game you don’t like. And while this is going on the Romney political machine will be running ads about how Obama has destroyed this country economically and has flip-flopped on many issues. Now tell me which do you think the voter will react more harshly toward, somone who put a company under, or someone who is putting their country under?
And watch Obama’s left wing base stay home for his many flip-flops.
You mean the same people whose number one issue is reducing debt? Those people? They are going to vote for a President who ran the debt up to 15 trillion dollars? They are the the ones who will jump on the anti-Obama bandwagon if we give them someone with business savvy, and who can stand toe to toe with Obama and not look like an idiot.
I agree with this. If unemployment continues to head down it will be even more difficult to beat Obama regardless of who the republican candidate is.
That’s the way anyone makes it in a wide open field with 10 original candidates running. History has shown us this many times.
And this is a bad thing? LOL–He’s doing his job and you just hate it huh? “Why couldn’t he give those other guys a chance…Romney has all the money and organization…” Yikes Sloth.
That is the hope of the Obama team and may very well become a reality. But I assure you with Romney we do have a candidate who can stand toe to toe with the President of the United States and beat him in a debate. He has the resources and organization as well. The very one that you complain about daily that is kicking the crap out of his GOP rivals.
Finally, I’ve never given Romeny better than a 50/50 chance of beating Obama. But, if you think that Santorum, Gingrich or (chuckle) Paul would do better you are sadly mistaken!