Let's Talk Florida

[quote]Sloth wrote:

“It’s not worth getting mad over.”

Oh, it’s not?[/quote]

Let’s get something straight pal I like Rick Santorum as much as you do. He’s smart, experienced socially conservative etc. But he’s not yet ready for prime time. And Mitt calling him out on his caustic debating style was a slap down to the kid. If he stood toe to toe with Obama he’d look mean and preachy and the liberal media would have a field day with him. That is exactly the kind of style that would turn off potential voters.

Should Romney lose to Obama I think there is a clear shot for Santorum in 2016. And by then the American people will be so sick of left wing idiology and a ruined economy that they’d probably vote for Pat Robertson (who by the way finished 2nd Iowa in 1988).

As a side note I think Santorum gave a strong showing in last nights debate. But he could have literally walked away with it if he had better debating style and presentation skills. People are moved less by facts and more by emotion.

For example, when asked what people liked most about Ronald Reagan they said that he made them feel good. And he did that by being happy not preachy and mad. Santorum should take a page out of the Reagan play book tone it down and get someone to help him with his delivery.

I know you hate beauty contests but that’s how most people make up their mind. Santorum’s day will come if he works on his presentation skills.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Let’s get something straight pal I like Rick Santorum as much as you do. [/quote]

To hell you do. I like and respect the man enough to give him my vote, instead of rewarding some progressive “Oh, I got the Conservative Religion just in time to run for President.” And no, Romney didn’t smack down Santorum. That exchange and comment had even Romney’s fawning sycophants over at NRO cringing. For the tea party base it was confirmation. Santorum rocked him. He literally made Romney stand there and deliver OBAMA’S DEFENSE of the principles, mechanisms, and performance of an individual mandate health-care overhaul. In the recent past Romney had said that the ‘bad parts’ of Obamacare would need redoing. Obviously someone told him to close his trap. Now, only days ago, one of his top advisers says outright that Obamacare is here to stay, with maybe some adjustments…Disarmed.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
ZEB wrote:

Let’s get something straight pal I like Rick Santorum as much as you do.

To hell you do. I like and respect the man enough to give him my vote, instead of rewarding some progressive [/quote]

I love my kids too Sloth but I wouldn’t put any of them behind the wheel of a car when they were 12 years old. Santorum would be clobbered by Obama because of his lack of presentation skills. I know you like him so much that you can’t see that. But take a step back and ask yourself an important question (not to you but to those not yet paying attention who will matter most) who smiled the most in the debate last night of the three candidates who can actually get the nomination?

I’ll tell you,

  1. Romney 2. Gingrich 3. Santorum

And it was close between Gingrich and Santorum.

These things don’t matter to you because you are oblivious when it comes to presentation skills. And you think that people think the way you do, that is issues count more than anything. But that’s not the way the game is played. You can ignore it but at your own peril. ABout 50% of the country (give or take) will tune in after labor day (there abouts) take a quick look at both nominees and decide on a gut level who they “like”. “Do I want the charming Obama or this new guy who is mad all the time.” I know I wish it wasn’t that way but it is—Trust me IT IS THAT WAY!

If Santorum got the nomination this time around he’d lose to Obama and that would be it for Rick. But, if he waits for 2016 m(should the republica nominee lose) he has a real shot at it. He will be facing a democrat other than Obama and he will have 4 more years to improve. He just might run into someone in that time period who can reshape his presentation skills.

Again, most people are not like you Sloth. In fact, about 50% of the country doesn’t even vote. Stop projecting your thoughts onto the masses-- They are not nearly as smart as you, nor do they care as much as you.

This just in:

[quote]PUNTA GORDA, Fla. ? Rick Santorum is tired, trailing ? and going home.

The former Pennsylvania senator is taking a pause from Florida campaigning just days before the Tuesday primary that even he expects to deal him a third consecutive loss.

Santorum says he would rather spend his Saturday sitting at his kitchen table doing his taxes than campaigning in a state where the race for the Republican presidential nomination has become a two-man fight between Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney. “I wish he had a little more passion in the belly,” said Don Waldt, a Punta Gorda retiree who attended a Santorum rally at dusk this week[/quote]

Odd especially in light of his strong debate performance the other night. But then again maybe he’s smarter than we think. He’s made some great inroads and has set himself up as a strong contender for 2016. Newt would be smart to follow Santorum’s lead, but then again Newt has no future in the republican party and after this election will be treated like a leper. So yeah he’ll go down screaming and shaking his pudgy finger which is attached to his 300+ pound frame.

Romney appears to be trending up in FLA

Nevada, Maine, Colorado, Minnesota, Missouri, Arizona, Michigan coming up next month

Super Tuesday March 6

Things are just starting to get interesting

[quote]Razorslim wrote:
Romney appears to be trending up in FLA

Nevada, Maine, Colorado, Minnesota, Missouri, Arizona, Michigan coming up next month

Super Tuesday March 6

Things are just starting to get interesting[/quote]

I beg to differ things are just about over! They were interesting but after Florida they will be quite boring.

If Romney wins big in Florida he will most likely continue the winning trend in Nevada.

He will win Maine easily…wait…very easily. Keep in mind you have that whole northeast thing going on. And they hate Newt in Main check out the polls.

He’ll win Colorado too as they trend more moderate.

Minnesota is an easy win as their former Governor who was in the Presidential race Tim Pawlenty dropped out and endorsed Romney.

Missouri is a win for Romney as the momentum by this point will be too great for Gingrich to overcome.

Romney will win Arizona where the sitting senator John McCain has endorsed him.

Michigan is a no brainer for Romney as his father was once Governor there.

And by the way in case no one has pointed it out to you Romney can beat Obama because he is from the east. Ask yourself this question, how many republican Presidential nominees have actually won states like Massachusetts and New Jersey in recent times? It does happen, Reagan did it and one or two others over the past 30 years. But the republicans rely on the South (and other key swing states) to carry them to victory. With Mitt Romney as the nominee we can win New Hampshire, New Jersey (Christie support) Massachusetts, PA etc.

That is one reason that Romney can win this thing and we can toss the chosen to the curb. where he belongs!

n Thursday?s debate, Santorum exposed the astonishing weakness of Romney?s position on Obamacare?and showed the president how to go at him in the fall.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
This just in:

[quote]PUNTA GORDA, Fla. ? Rick Santorum is tired, trailing ? and going home.

The former Pennsylvania senator is taking a pause from Florida campaigning just days before the Tuesday primary that even he expects to deal him a third consecutive loss.

Santorum says he would rather spend his Saturday sitting at his kitchen table doing his taxes than campaigning in a state where the race for the Republican presidential nomination has become a two-man fight between Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney. “I wish he had a little more passion in the belly,” said Don Waldt, a Punta Gorda retiree who attended a Santorum rally at dusk this week[/quote]

Odd especially in light of his strong debate performance the other night. But then again maybe he’s smarter than we think. He’s made some great inroads and has set himself up as a strong contender for 2016. Newt would be smart to follow Santorum’s lead, but then again Newt has no future in the republican party and after this election will be treated like a leper. So yeah he’ll go down screaming and shaking his pudgy finger which is attached to his 300+ pound frame.

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EDIT: Oops. Wrong link.

Back to Newt!

Interesting thing I saw this morning on one of the Political shows.

Newt was insisting on a debate format for the second Florida debate that allowed more crowd interaction and response. As we know; Newt knows how to work a crowd. And when he has debated in this type of format, his numbers soared. (Jaun Williams/John King).

It sort of back-fired this time, because Romney came out swinging; Newt was caught off guard; and Romney’s numbers improved.

Will this translate into a “win” for Romney in Florida?

Never, EVER count Newt out.

Mufasa

[quote]ZEB wrote:
So yeah he’ll go down screaming and shaking his pudgy finger which is attached to his 300+ pound frame.

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Yeah who’d want a fat guy in office? Anyway, I heard Chris Christie has taken over where David Bonior left off. So what if those 84 “ethics violations” have ALL been found to have been a crock of Democratic crap? Newt “embarrassed the party” and Romney will “never embarrass” the party.

Machine:

You brought up an interesting thing worth pondering:

Who is “The Party” (GOP) now?.

Is it the “Establishment” Wing…or the “True” Conservative/Tea Party Wing?

What will the former do if Newt comes into the Convention with strong numbers and a fierce following?

What will the latter do if Romney is the nominee?

Mufasa

[quote]Sloth wrote:
n Thursday?s debate, Santorum exposed the astonishing weakness of Romney?s position on Obamacare?and showed the president how to go at him in the fall.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/29/michael-tomasky-on-how-rick-santorum-nailed-mitt-on-romneycare.html[/quote]

LOL…Obama is going to go after Romney on nationalized health care? Uh huh…

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Back to Newt!

Interesting thing I saw this morning on one of the Political shows.

Newt was insisting on a debate format for the second Florida debate that allowed more crowd interaction and response. As we know; Newt knows how to work a crowd. And when he has debated in this type of format, his numbers soared. (Jaun Williams/John King).

It sort of back-fired this time, because Romney came out swinging; Newt was caught off guard; and Romney’s numbers improved.

Will this translate into a “win” for Romney in Florida?

Never, EVER count Newt out.

Mufasa[/quote]

Yeah, Newt the gas bag got the air let out of him by Romney in the most recent debate. Early on Romney demanded an apology from Newt for lying and Gingrich was rather quiet after that. Other than one of his big (insane) idea’s about putting a colony on the moon. And as I said when Newt does not do well in a debate his poll numbers suffer.

…Or if it’s a debate format where the crowd is taken out.

Mufasa

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
n Thursday?s debate, Santorum exposed the astonishing weakness of Romney?s position on Obamacare?and showed the president how to go at him in the fall.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/29/michael-tomasky-on-how-rick-santorum-nailed-mitt-on-romneycare.html[/quote]

LOL…Obama is going to go after Romney on nationalized health care? Uh huh…[/quote]

Yep, they already are. See, they’re going to disarm the issue. Just like they can with TARP/Stimulus.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Yeah, Newt the gas bag got the air let out of him by Romney in the most recent debate.

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For sure. Romney, all of a sudden is a better debater than Newt Gingrich of all people. Absolutely. That’s why clapping was banned in Florida last week. So Romney’s debating prowess won’t outshine Gingrich.

[quote]Sloth wrote:

Yep, they already are. See, they’re going to disarm the issue. Just like they can with TARP/Stimulus.[/quote]

First of all, the differences between a state having a health care plan and the US forcing Americans to have a federally run program are vastly different. It will take the Romney team about 30 minutes to counter such an idiotic attack. No doubt they’ve already got that ad written and ready for production. Romney has stated repeatedly “I will eliminate Obamacare” I’d say that’s pretty strong talk wouldn’t you? And that’s what the people want (at least 65% or so) the elimination of Obamacare. So that is a non-issue.

Secondly, I wish this race were only about issues Obama would get destroyed. One can only hope that someday we will see a Presidential race only about issues. Wouldn’t that be fantastic? But don’t hold your breath waiting. That would mean that there are more people like you paying attention, and focusing on what’s important. However, I have plenty of faith in the American voter to do what he does every four years. That is either not vote, or vote for the guy who basically looks and sounds the best.

Sorry if this shakes your faith in mankind but hey it had to happen eventually anyway.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Yeah, Newt the gas bag got the air let out of him by Romney in the most recent debate.

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For sure. Romney, all of a sudden is a better debater than Newt Gingrich of all people. Absolutely. That’s why clapping was banned in Florida last week. So Romney’s debating prowess won’t outshine Gingrich.[/quote]

Clapping banned? That’s odd because I distinctly heard applause when Romney derailed Newt on two occasions.

Anyway here are some questions that would be fun for you to answer

  1. Why was Newt flat in the most recent debate?

  2. Why would Newt run for President without an organization?

  3. Why would Newt run for President underfunded?

  4. Would Obama and the DNC allow people to hoot and holler if they know it helps Gingrich?

  5. What good reason would people have in the general election for voting for a fat gray haired old man who hollers at them. (yeah I know you like that sort of thing but you and I are not quite the average American voter.)

  6. Why does Romney beat Gingrich in the three areas where republicans need to win. Those are Senior citizens, women and independents.

Now answer these questions and get back to me and we’ll see if our answers match up.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Clapping banned? That’s odd because I distinctly heard applause when Romney derailed Newt on two occasions.

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Okay, for half of last week then:

Does it matter? Maybe he had an off day.

He doesn’t have an organisation? Come on.

Whose campaign is best funded after Romney’s?

They will do what they will do but at the end of the day he’s a better debater and the whole televised debate thing plays a huge part in the modern political process.

Yeah and Reagan was a silly old bugger. Not a bright young ‘conservative’ like O’bomney.

Okay I’m going to plead the fifth on that last one. I don’t want to talk out of my arse. I don’t know. I’m just yet to be convinced that he doesn’t have a shot.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

  1. Why was Newt flat in the most recent debate?

Does it matter? Maybe he had an off day.

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It always matters. It’s good to know why he had an off day. It might be because the audience had to act like human beings. If that’s the case he’s sunk vs Obama as the audience, if there is one, will be wearing muzzles.

[quote]2. Why would Newt run for President without an organization?

He doesn’t have an organisation? Come on.[/quote]

No he doesn’t have an organization. That is, volunteers and some paid staff members to work the major areas prior to him arriving in each state. But do you know why doesn’t have that?

[quote]
3. Why would Newt run for President underfunded?

Whose campaign is best funded after Romney’s?[/quote]

The question is why would Gingrich run for President underfunded? Do you know?

That’s funny he wasn’t a better debater than Romney in their latest debate–why is that do you know?

And now you say he’s a better debater than Obama? Think again my friend. And redefine what you know to be true. He is posssibly a better debater than Obama under certain circumstances.

“I want to challenge Obama to 8 3 hour Lincoln/Douglas style debates…bla bla bla”

And you think that Obama is going to march in and do exactly what Gingrich wants?

Here’s how the debate will go down (one possibility there are others equally bad for Gingrich) should Gingrich pull off a miracle and get the nomination. They will be seated at a table next to each other so people can see the stark contrast between a fat gray haired old angry man and the charming good looking President of the United States. Then the moderator who will be hand picked by the Obama team from some leftist network will ask each one a question it might be the same question then again it might be soft balls to Obama and fast balls to Gingrich.

And why would Gingrich agree to this? Because the polls will show him behind and he will have no choice. And after that first debate there might be two more. But he and you and I as well would by that time be wishing that there was never a debate to begin with.

Don’t fool yourself, just because Gingrich shined a few times in debates with multiple opponents in a GOP primary where being the loudest and the most anti-Obama worked doesn’t mean that it will work one on one under the description above.

[quote]5. What good reason would people have in the general election for voting for a fat gray haired old man who hollers at them. (yeah I know you like that sort of thing but you and I are not quite the average American voter.)

Yeah and Reagan was a silly old bugger. Not a bright young ‘conservative’ like O’bomney.[/quote]

Please don’t compare Ronald Reagan to Newt Gingrich…it’s laughable. Reagan was a polished speaker, a Hollywood movie star! He was a charming guy with boat loads of charisma. Do you think he won the Presidnecy by the biggest electoral landslide in history because people suddenly became more conservative? Gingrich by contrast comes off as a mean fat gray haired old man to voters outside the GOP (and to many inside the GOP as well).

[quote]
6. Why does Romney beat Gingrich in the three areas where republicans need to win. Those are Senior citizens, women and independents.

Okay I’m going to plead the fifth on that last one. I don’t want to talk out of my arse. I don’t know. I’m just yet to be convinced that he doesn’t have a shot.[/quote]

Because Independents, senior citizens and women do not think like you and I do. Independents are a wishy washy group. They need to be convinced, persuaded not hit over the head by a mean old guy. Gingrich would drive independents into Obama’s hands.

Senior Citizens will run from a harsh sounding Gingrich. I’m not talking about the senior’s in the GOP who actually go out and vote in a primary. I’m talking about senior’s who don’t like big idea’s. They like old safe idea’s the kind that Obama will spoon feed them. And the democrats already have that built in “the GOP will take away your social security” Newt fits that mold to a T!

And as for women, I predict that should Gingrich pull a major miracle and beat Romney that Obama would win close to 70% of all women. And that would be even greater than the number of women he won in 2008. And who did he beat in 08? Oh yeah a gray haired old man, and McCain wasn’t even fat! If you think the average voter (especially women) are analyzing every issue months in advance before they vote then you are not as smart as I thought you were. Most (not all) women vote with emotion (as do most of the population both genders). They will take one look at Gingrich and dismiss him out of hand. Keep saying this to yourself, MEDIA AGE- MEDIA AGE- MEDIA AGE. Fat gray haired men who look angrgy most of the time lose to cool looking slim confident happy incumbent Presidents. Now tell me you git it! Come on it’s right there in front of you.

We need someone who can remain calm in a debate. Can sooth senior citizens fears. Can be moderate enough to win independents and can be good looking and happy enough to win women. (Did you know that women react more positively to someone smiling than men do?)

That man is Romney! And that’s why every liberal talking head is Romney bashing this week. And that is why the Obama surrogates were out in full force on the Sunday political shows bashing Romney. They want to face Gingrich!!

And now you know why.

I know YOU like Gingrich and so do others on this site. I’d vote for Gingrich in a heart beat over Obama. But because YOU like Gingrich does not mean that the typical voter who is the opposite of YOU in every possible way will like Gingrich. Stop projecting my friend. You can like Gingrich all you want but be objective enough to know that he would get clobbered by epic proportions against Obama.