Let's Talk Florida

[quote]Sloth wrote:
“I talked to a top Romney adviser tonight who said, ‘Look, if Mitt Romney cannot win in Florida then we’re going to have to try to reinvent the smoke-filled room which has been democratized by all these primaries. And we’re going to have try to come with someone as an alternative to Newt Gingrich who could be Jeb Bush, Mitch Daniels, someone.’ Because there is such a desperation by the so-called party elites, but that’s exactly what Gingrich is playing against,” Andrea Mitchell said on NBC tonight after the debate."

Whoa.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/01/23/andrea_mitchell_romney_adviser_said_party_elites_will_find_alternative_if_romney_cant_win_florida.html[/quote]

Serious question:

Why would the GOP go through such a divisive process?

It certainly wouldn’t be a strategy that would beat the President, would it?

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
“I talked to a top Romney adviser tonight who said, ‘Look, if Mitt Romney cannot win in Florida then we’re going to have to try to reinvent the smoke-filled room which has been democratized by all these primaries. And we’re going to have try to come with someone as an alternative to Newt Gingrich who could be Jeb Bush, Mitch Daniels, someone.’ Because there is such a desperation by the so-called party elites, but that’s exactly what Gingrich is playing against,” Andrea Mitchell said on NBC tonight after the debate."

Whoa.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/01/23/andrea_mitchell_romney_adviser_said_party_elites_will_find_alternative_if_romney_cant_win_florida.html[/quote]

Serious question:

Why would the GOP go through such a divisive process?

It certainly wouldn’t be a strategy that would beat the President, would it?

Mufasa[/quote]

Because they’ve decided Romney nor Gingrich will beat Obama anyways. Romney’s aura of electability is essentially gone.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
“I talked to a top Romney adviser tonight who said, ‘Look, if Mitt Romney cannot win in Florida then we’re going to have to try to reinvent the smoke-filled room which has been democratized by all these primaries. And we’re going to have try to come with someone as an alternative to Newt Gingrich who could be Jeb Bush, Mitch Daniels, someone.’ Because there is such a desperation by the so-called party elites, but that’s exactly what Gingrich is playing against,” Andrea Mitchell said on NBC tonight after the debate."

Whoa.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/01/23/andrea_mitchell_romney_adviser_said_party_elites_will_find_alternative_if_romney_cant_win_florida.html[/quote]

Serious question:

Why would the GOP go through such a divisive process?

It certainly wouldn’t be a strategy that would beat the President, would it?

Mufasa[/quote]

It is a spiritual struggle, a Jihad if you will.

Better to get it over with now and let Obama preside over the decline than to win the election now and be blamed for it.

Santorum takes the Jewish Vote?

JB/others; thoughts?

Mufasa

Brokered convention?

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Brokered convention?

Mufasa[/quote]

They’re (republican establishment/commentariat) already grumbling for it now. Watch for the big Mitch Daniels push. Not sure he’s willing, though. Even so, he’s doing the SOTU rebuttal tonight. Bill Kristol is pushing the notion (and Daniels) outright over at the Weekly Standard.

Wow, 6 million dollar ad buy will be playing this in FL. This one has serious impact.

Gallup, 31-27, for Gingrich nationally.

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
No. He and Mitt are on the ballot in all 50 states(Santorum and Newt are not). He just won’t be focusing time nor money on campaigning in Florida. [/quote]

That means on election night his name will be in last place. That he didn’t campaign there does mean something. But ultimately it’s another last place finish for Paul.[/quote]

Most likely yes. Isn’t Florida a winner takes all state anyway though?[/quote]

Yeah, and it always looks good to finish in last place in these states–Oh wait no it doesn’t. But then you knew Paul wasn’t going to win Right?

You’re young and impressionable but not stupid RIGHT? [/quote]

It doesn’t matter nearly as much as you make it out to. Gingrich finished fourth in NH and Iowa but went on to win SC. Paul finishing fourth in Florida would be pretty much inconsequential, especially considering he’s not relying on the mainstream media for his campaigning.
And I’m neither impressionable nor stupid.[/quote]

Yeah, but where everyone else finishes has nothing to do with Paul because he’s a loser. Whenever you take away his flaky 20 something independent base he drops like a rock in water.

C A N Y O U U N D E R S T A N D ?

You are young and you are most definitely impressionable.[/quote]

a)You don’t get to make up rules. If context counts it counts for all candidates, not just ones you approve of.
b)Where do you get of claiming to know my attributes better than I do? You don’t know me. You don’t know anything about me besides my age and parts of my political inclinations. This just makes you look silly.[/quote]

Rules? I’m giving my opinion and I throw in an occasional fact or two to back it up. You’re a young impressionable lad. Someday you won’t be and you’ll look back and you’ll agree with me. Is that a bad thing? If you’re not impressionable at 20-22 when are you? You’re a just a kid. But that’s not a bad thing so chill.

And thank you for the impression of a fat woman saying “you don’t me”. Now do I always picture a fat woman when I hear or read those words? Eh…who cares?

Over all I’m glad you’re on this thread.

Take Care,

ZEB

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Brokered convention?

Mufasa[/quote]

At this point one can only hope.

This is one of my favorite ads by Ron Paul:

The DNC will eat him up and spit him out! This could be a huge victory for President Obama. But…at least he’s not a traditional republican.

YEAH MAN!

I hate it when I agree with Zeb, but he is clearly correct in his analysis.

Other than comparing Mittens to Clinton that is.

Lifty’s last post is very apropos. None of these candidates are any good, but I still think Newt does better against Obama. Unless there’s a real October surprise the ads cancel themselves out as the public goes to get some more beer and chips during the commercials.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
This is one of my favorite ads by Ron Paul:

The DNC will eat him up and spit him out! This could be a huge victory for President Obama. But…at least he’s not a traditional republican.

YEAH MAN! [/quote]

Older folks who followed the ethics violations remember it a bit differently.
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/what-really-happened-gingrich-ethics-case/336051

Newt has his baggage, but the US congress owes him 300k. A lot of people still don’t know that a few years afterwards, the IRS finished it’s investigation, ruling that his college course (center of the one ethic violation the council refused to drop) was legit and proper…

"In the end, in 1999, the IRS released a densely written, highly detailed 74-page report. The course was, in fact, educational, the IRS said. “The overwhelming number of positions advocated in the course were very broad in nature and often more applicable to individual behavior or behavioral changes in society as a whole than to any ‘political’ action,” investigators wrote. “For example, the lecture on quality was much more directly applicable to individual behavior than political action and would be difficult to attempt to categorize in political terms. Another example is the lecture on personal strength where again the focus was on individual behavior. In fact, this lecture placed some focus on the personal strength of individual Democrats who likely would not agree with Mr. Gingrich on his political views expressed in forums outside his Renewing American Civilization course teaching. Even in the lectures that had a partial focus on broadly defined changes in political activity, such as less government and government regulation, there was also a strong emphasis on changes in personal behavior and non-political changes in society as a whole.”

The IRS also checked out the evaluations written by students who completed the course. The overwhelming majority of students, according to the report, believed that Gingrich knew his material, was an interesting speaker, and was open to alternate points of view. None seemed to perceive a particular political message. “Most students,” the IRS noted, “said that they would apply the course material to improve their own lives in such areas as family, friendships, career, and citizenship.”

The IRS concluded the course simply was not political. “The central problem in arguing that the Progress and Freedom Foundation provided more than incidental private benefit to Mr. Gingrich, GOPAC, and other Republican entities,” the IRS wrote, “was that the content of the ‘Renewing American Civilization’ course was educational…and not biased toward any of those who were supposed to be benefited.”

The bottom line: Gingrich acted properly and violated no laws. There was no tax fraud scheme. Of course, by that time, Gingrich was out of office, widely presumed to be guilty of something, and his career in politics was (seemingly) over.

Back in January 1997, the day after Cole presented his damning report to the Ethics Committee, the Washington Post’s front-page banner headline was “Gingrich Actions ‘Intentional’ or ‘Reckless’; Counsel Concludes That Speaker’s Course Funding Was ‘Clear Violation’ of Tax Laws.” That same day, the New York Times ran eleven stories on the Gingrich matter, four of them on the front page (one inside story was headlined, “Report Describes How Gingrich Used Taxpayers’ Money for Partisan Politics”). On television, Dan Rather began the CBS Evening News by telling viewers that “only now is the evidence of Newt Gingrich’s ethics violations and tax problems being disclosed in detail.”

The story was much different when Gingrich was exonerated. The Washington Post ran a brief story on page five. The Times ran an equally brief story on page 23. And the evening newscasts of CBS, NBC, and ABC – which together had devoted hours of coverage to the question of Gingrich’s ethics – did not report the story at all. Not a word."

[quote]Christine wrote:
I hate it when I agree with Zeb, but he is clearly correct in his analysis.

Other than comparing Mittens to Clinton that is.[/quote]

Even people like you have moments of clarity.

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
This is one of my favorite ads by Ron Paul:

The DNC will eat him up and spit him out! This could be a huge victory for President Obama. But…at least he’s not a traditional republican.

YEAH MAN! [/quote]

Older folks who followed the ethics violations remember it a bit differently.
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/what-really-happened-gingrich-ethics-case/336051

Newt has his baggage, but the US congress owes him 300k. A lot of people still don’t know that a few years afterwards, the IRS finished it’s investigation, ruling that his college course (center of the one ethic violation the council refused to drop) was legit and proper…

"In the end, in 1999, the IRS released a densely written, highly detailed 74-page report. The course was, in fact, educational, the IRS said. “The overwhelming number of positions advocated in the course were very broad in nature and often more applicable to individual behavior or behavioral changes in society as a whole than to any ‘political’ action,” investigators wrote. “For example, the lecture on quality was much more directly applicable to individual behavior than political action and would be difficult to attempt to categorize in political terms. Another example is the lecture on personal strength where again the focus was on individual behavior. In fact, this lecture placed some focus on the personal strength of individual Democrats who likely would not agree with Mr. Gingrich on his political views expressed in forums outside his Renewing American Civilization course teaching. Even in the lectures that had a partial focus on broadly defined changes in political activity, such as less government and government regulation, there was also a strong emphasis on changes in personal behavior and non-political changes in society as a whole.”

The IRS also checked out the evaluations written by students who completed the course. The overwhelming majority of students, according to the report, believed that Gingrich knew his material, was an interesting speaker, and was open to alternate points of view. None seemed to perceive a particular political message. “Most students,” the IRS noted, “said that they would apply the course material to improve their own lives in such areas as family, friendships, career, and citizenship.”

The IRS concluded the course simply was not political. “The central problem in arguing that the Progress and Freedom Foundation provided more than incidental private benefit to Mr. Gingrich, GOPAC, and other Republican entities,” the IRS wrote, “was that the content of the ‘Renewing American Civilization’ course was educational…and not biased toward any of those who were supposed to be benefited.”

The bottom line: Gingrich acted properly and violated no laws. There was no tax fraud scheme. Of course, by that time, Gingrich was out of office, widely presumed to be guilty of something, and his career in politics was (seemingly) over.

Back in January 1997, the day after Cole presented his damning report to the Ethics Committee, the Washington Post’s front-page banner headline was “Gingrich Actions ‘Intentional’ or ‘Reckless’; Counsel Concludes That Speaker’s Course Funding Was ‘Clear Violation’ of Tax Laws.” That same day, the New York Times ran eleven stories on the Gingrich matter, four of them on the front page (one inside story was headlined, “Report Describes How Gingrich Used Taxpayers’ Money for Partisan Politics”). On television, Dan Rather began the CBS Evening News by telling viewers that “only now is the evidence of Newt Gingrich’s ethics violations and tax problems being disclosed in detail.”

The story was much different when Gingrich was exonerated. The Washington Post ran a brief story on page five. The Times ran an equally brief story on page 23. And the evening newscasts of CBS, NBC, and ABC – which together had devoted hours of coverage to the question of Gingrich’s ethics – did not report the story at all. Not a word."

[/quote]

Oh Sloth do I have to repeat rule number one in politics? It’s not the facts that matter it’s the PERCEPTION of those facts.

A good example is Mitt Romney’s tax return. His opposition only has to scream “Romney only pay’s 15% in taxes…evil rich…evil rich.” When you and I both know that he’s already paid the highest tax possible when he first made the money and now it’s double taxation on his investments.

But…that’s how the game is played. And Newt will get destroyed while trying to carry his baggage into the White House.

This is why democracy is a bad idea.

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
This is why democracy is a bad idea.[/quote]

Hey when I was 20 I actually thought Ted Kennedy should be President. So don’t feel bad for saying stupid stuff.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
This is why democracy is a bad idea.[/quote]

Hey when I was 20 I actually thought Ted Kennedy should be President. So don’t feel bad for saying stupid stuff.

[/quote]

Too bad you never got any smarter :confused:

Pay attention from 1:37 up. “Eliminate some of the differences…Repeal the bad, keep the good.”

Now a member of the Romney campaign team, Form Senator Norm Coleman.

Romney advisor: Come on, ObamaCare won?t ever be repealed in its entirety
http://bcove.me/rjvf8glf