Let's Talk Florida

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
No. He and Mitt are on the ballot in all 50 states(Santorum and Newt are not). He just won’t be focusing time nor money on campaigning in Florida. [/quote]

That means on election night his name will be in last place. That he didn’t campaign there does mean something. But ultimately it’s another last place finish for Paul.[/quote]

Most likely yes. Isn’t Florida a winner takes all state anyway though?[/quote]

Yeah, and it always looks good to finish in last place in these states–Oh wait no it doesn’t. But then you knew Paul wasn’t going to win Right?

You’re young and impressionable but not stupid RIGHT? [/quote]

It doesn’t matter nearly as much as you make it out to. Gingrich finished fourth in NH and Iowa but went on to win SC. Paul finishing fourth in Florida would be pretty much inconsequential, especially considering he’s not relying on the mainstream media for his campaigning.
And I’m neither impressionable nor stupid.[/quote]

Yeah, but where everyone else finishes has nothing to do with Paul because he’s a loser. Whenever you take away his flaky 20 something independent base he drops like a rock in water.

C A N Y O U U N D E R S T A N D ?

You are young and you are most definitely impressionable.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Should be fun Sloth I hope you enjoy it –

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One problem with your underlying implication, I haven’t even had a chance to vote yet. Furthermore, I distribute no political newsletters, or maintain a political blog, radio station, or news channel, from which I would’ve turned this primary against Romney. In short, I haven’t lost this for Romney. Romney lost it for Romney.

Gallup today; Romney’s lead in national polling down to 1%. And that’s a five day average…

$7 million in TV ads compared to $800 here in Florida, Romney v. Newt. And Romney is on the verge of losing what was supposed to be the state of his coronation. And at this rate, losing decisively. Scary part? Santorum, Newt’s close friend, whose base despises Romney for his attack ads (Like Perry’s and Newt’s), hasn’t even dropped yet. If he drops, Newt gets that support by a large margin. At this point he doesn’t even need it, but if/when Santorum bows out…Oof.

Vast monetary advantage, super-dooper, high powered campaign team. The support of much of the cocktail-party establishment commentariat (NRO, for example). The kid’s gloves approach from the MSM. Yet, look what’s happened, regardless?

You can buy the finest bread, cheese, fresh veggies, and condiments, slap it all around a turd…Have the finest, most respected, head chefs tell you this turd sandwich is INEVITABLY a great sandwich…but to the customers, it’s still a turd sandwich.

No Zeb, I’m no one influential. The republican base, the customers who’ve sampled the offered cuisine of Cafe-Primary, have rejected the high-priced, finally dressed, turd sandwich on their own.
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Forgive me I was under the impression that you got to vote already. And I also thought that you held sway over millions of people and that’s why I wrote what I did.

Ha ha…come on now buddy don’t play dumb.

You’ve been claiming that Gingrich could defeat Obama and that Romney was the one who had no chance. Which by the way you’ve never backed up with sort of solid argument. Nothing statistically, nothing politically sound and certainly nothing historically. You don’t like Romney or the republican establishment, which by the way is the only thing strong enough to oust Obama. And while you’ve made your views clear you’ve not proven a thing.

Okay Romney’s too timid to beat Gingrich.

Fine

Live with Obama for four more years and all the havoc he will wreak!!

Embrace it buddy it’s what you want.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

You’ve been claiming that Gingrich could defeat Obama and that Romney was the one who had no chance. [/quote]

Actually Zeb, I’ve been saying that Obama wins this thing.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

I won’t be voting for Gingrich. Well, if Santorum drops before the Fl. primary, I’ll give him a primary vote. But not the general election. [/quote]

Huh, might I ask why?

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2 hours of brian williams coming up. This will be a grinder

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Seems that Romney, thus far in the debate has slapped Newt pretty hard on his influence peddling. Maybe he’s nto going to be so timid after all. He better leave it all in the ring tonight!

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Santorum
Newt
Paul
Romney

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Rick Santorum actually spoke less and was asked less questions than any of the other three candidates. Also, Santorum for much of the debate almost seemed like a defeated candidate. He had none of the fire that he showed in the last debate. No question he was the weakest person on the stage tonight. But when I look at him I can’t help but see a really decent guy who lives by the principals that he speaks, unlike others like Gingrich who has a very sleazy past.

Ron Paul fought to be included many times by speaking up when not called upon to do so. I admire his spunk and his honesty. He really seems like a decent guy. His comments on Cuba were laughable and at the same time his views on the economy were spot on. Anyway, he’s no threat to win the Presidency not now not ever. But one of his more sane performances.

Newt Gingrich tried to play the part of the front runner (because he is) and was far more reserved tonight. And at one point when charged with being an influence peddler by Mitt Romney just stood there speechless for a several seconds. However, as a conservative I share many of his views especially on foreign policy. Always smart and fast, sometimes a little nutty like the NASA idea. But over all he didn’t hurt himself tonight.

Mitt Romney had a good night as he came out swinging and landed several shots on Newt Gingrich. However, it might be too little too late we shall see. His 7 point plan which he highlighted late in the debate is spot on for how to get the economy moving again. And as he rattled them off I could only think back to Rick Perry and how he couldn’t even remember three departments which he’d cut. Romney was indeed fast on his feet and in terms of presentation style blew the others away. I’d say he won tonight but not by enough to matter much. As the far right blood thirsty voters who will be deciding this want someone who will shout down the President and attack the media so Newty probably did well in their eyes.

Good debate and I will support whomever comes out of these debates as the nominee as I see President Obama as the worst possible person to have in the oval office.

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I understand that there is at least a 90% chance that Rommney or Gingrich will be the nominee but the lopsided question asking is annoying and unfair for both Santorum and Paul. But that’s how it will always work.

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It wasn’t too little, too late. It was the desperate fading guy. Florida has already seen these accusations. Newt put on a different hat. He was the frontrunner wanting to discuss the issues. He let Romney take his shots, as a crashing candidate, in a market already overs-saturated with Romney’s attack ads. Romney, a candidate who doesn’t support Medicare D…in Florida. Newt, and Santorum, then had the opportunity to lay out their conservative accomplishments…Mitt had little to say there. What was he going to say, Romneycare? Gingrich played to a state with a large seasoned citizen population. Santorum was Gingrich’s biggest problem tonight. He was excellent on conservatism. Not perfect, but is easily the Conservative on the stage.

Edit: Note, there was a question (trying to remember it) where the moderator set it up for Gingrich to go after Mitt…Newt brushed it aside and began talking about his tax plan I believe. He put on a different hat tonight.

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Zeb said:

“…As the far right blood thirsty voters who will be deciding this want someone who will shout down the President and attack the media so Newty probably did well in their eyes…”

This is what it’s all come down to…and Newt is the Master.

Romney “sounded” like someone “on the ropes” and throwing everything at the aggressor he could.

We’ll see if it works.

Mufasa

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And don’t forget something I truly believe, guys:

A cocky and confident Newt becomes his own worst enemy…

(But he’s “changed”, right?)

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
And don’t forget something I truly believe, guys:

A cocky and confident Newt becomes his own worst enemy…

(But he’s “changed”, right?)

Mufasa[/quote]

Sure, major character changes in the 6th decade of a lifespan are highly likely.

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Sloth,

Yeah, I agree with your recent post. Mitt didn’t have too much to say. What could he say after all he is the only one on stage who actually has executive experience as Governor as he cut taxes 19 times in Massachusetts. The only one to run a major business (which the media and Newt the sleaze punish him for). The only one to succeed at making serious money in the private sector (unless you count the 1.6 million made by Gingrich for influence peddling). And of course the only one who was called upon to fix the Olympics, and he did a great job in doing that.

The guy is a bum and I have no idea why he was even on the stage with the likes of a Congressman a disgraced Speaker of the House a former Senator who lost his seat.

Ha…no really boot his ass out! If enough people feel the way you do in Florida we can all just relax. Like a gazelle with a tigers jaws wrapped around our collective necks it’s all over.

Get ready for Obama’s second term.

DUH GEEE I WONDER WHAT HE’LL DO?

Well at least we won’t have those mean old traditional republicans in there and well that’s worth another four years of Obama–RIGHT?

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Romney’s electability argument might be gone. Unfavorables nearly matching Newt.

Public sours on Romney in January

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
No. He and Mitt are on the ballot in all 50 states(Santorum and Newt are not). He just won’t be focusing time nor money on campaigning in Florida. [/quote]

That means on election night his name will be in last place. That he didn’t campaign there does mean something. But ultimately it’s another last place finish for Paul.[/quote]

Most likely yes. Isn’t Florida a winner takes all state anyway though?[/quote]

Yeah, and it always looks good to finish in last place in these states–Oh wait no it doesn’t. But then you knew Paul wasn’t going to win Right?

You’re young and impressionable but not stupid RIGHT? [/quote]

It doesn’t matter nearly as much as you make it out to. Gingrich finished fourth in NH and Iowa but went on to win SC. Paul finishing fourth in Florida would be pretty much inconsequential, especially considering he’s not relying on the mainstream media for his campaigning.
And I’m neither impressionable nor stupid.[/quote]

Yeah, but where everyone else finishes has nothing to do with Paul because he’s a loser. Whenever you take away his flaky 20 something independent base he drops like a rock in water.

C A N Y O U U N D E R S T A N D ?

You are young and you are most definitely impressionable.[/quote]

a)You don’t get to make up rules. If context counts it counts for all candidates, not just ones you approve of.
b)Where do you get of claiming to know my attributes better than I do? You don’t know me. You don’t know anything about me besides my age and parts of my political inclinations. This just makes you look silly.

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

I won’t be voting for Gingrich. Well, if Santorum drops before the Fl. primary, I’ll give him a primary vote. But not the general election. [/quote]

Huh, might I ask why?[/quote]

Why won’t I vote for Newt in the general election? Out of principle. He has too much baggage, and has deviated on a number of issues. I’m not a team player. If the Republicans put Romney or Newt up, I won’t vote. Santorum, or bust. He’s not a perfect fit to my Conservatism, but a heck of a lot closer. Did you see the two, Newt and Romney, try to make themselves out to be free-market defenders? Try to outdo each other on who was the least crony capitalist? Santorum had to remind them that they both supported TARP/Bailouts. Now, the primary vote, yes, I would vote Newt to foil the Republican establishment’s hand-picked progressive republican in conservative clothing.

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“I talked to a top Romney adviser tonight who said, ‘Look, if Mitt Romney cannot win in Florida then we’re going to have to try to reinvent the smoke-filled room which has been democratized by all these primaries. And we’re going to have try to come with someone as an alternative to Newt Gingrich who could be Jeb Bush, Mitch Daniels, someone.’ Because there is such a desperation by the so-called party elites, but that’s exactly what Gingrich is playing against,” Andrea Mitchell said on NBC tonight after the debate."

Whoa.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/01/23/andrea_mitchell_romney_adviser_said_party_elites_will_find_alternative_if_romney_cant_win_florida.html

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If you want a Floridian’s opinion, the primary will turn out like this: Newt > Romney followed closely by > Santorum. Paul is an afterthought, since as stated prior the primary is exclusive.

Santorum takes the Jewish and Evangelical votes (duh).
Romney takes the bulk of hispanic votes and those without much conviction (who just want a general election winner).
Newt takes the old (potentially angry) white and/or hispanic votes.

Paul takes young republican vote (of which there is very little).

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[quote]HRM wrote:
If you want a Floridian’s opinion, the primary will turn out like this: Newt > Romney followed closely by > Santorum. Paul is an afterthought, since as stated prior the primary is exclusive.

Santorum takes the Jewish and Evangelical votes (duh).
Romney takes the bulk of hispanic votes and those without much conviction (who just want a general election winner).
Newt takes the old (potentially angry) white and/or hispanic votes.

Paul takes young republican vote (of which there is very little). [/quote]
And therefore the GOP has no future.