I get the impression from a lot of posts I see on this board that the general opinion of Deca is pretty low. What’s the deal? Why does no one like it?
I’m planning to do my next cycle in September and Deca’s one of the things I’m considering. It sounds all good to me, especially how it helps your joints.
I did the 14 week test tren deca cycle in the anabolics book that is put out each year, and the Deca was AMAZING. I usually can’t to upper body pulling more than once a week (bad elbows due to rock climbing) but I could do 2 a week and still not feel a thing. Benching and any over head movements would hurt my wrists above 80% max but on Deca no pain, no discomfort NADA. After coming off there wasn’t sudden pain, though I can still only do Rows/Pull-Ups once a week.
Fat gain wasn’t terrible for me, I only went up like 4-5% at the end of it all. Had no pimples, or back-acne, cholesterol is fine, everyone is different though.
the results from decca are undeniable. i think the reson most people dont like it is the supression. ive never used it personally but have seen ppl blow the f up on it
The thing that puts me off is how long you seem to have to run it. 12 weeks of Deca with another 2 after of just test? 14 weeks is an awfully long time to be on IMO
Being on for that long is tedious, you have to keep track of your pinning because you’ll get days where you think “when did I last pin?” you check and its this morning and then you think “did I actually do it?”. Pinning for that long of a time turns into a blur for me, So i keep a calendar.
I’ve actually never done Deca. I have 9 grams of it so I should probably get out the mad scientist kit and brew it up and pin it. From my experience with NPP I think we’re going to get along just fine 
lol.
Deca has fallen out of favour pretty much in sync with the rise of shorter cycles as being ‘optimal’.
Deca use is absolutely huge amongst blast n cruise people, but they obviusly don’t have to worry about suppression. The thing is Nandrolone can already stay in your system so god damn long, and it takes so little to suppress HPTA function (ie: Deca users will blow a Nandrolone test 10+ years after use).
That being said, Deca use has built the greatest physiques in bodybuilding history. Pretty much every BB before the late 90s used two compounds we rarely see anymore: Primo, and Deca. But hey, what did they know back then, when gym rats were actually jacked… lol
-PTD
Deca is great. Highly under-rated IMO. If you are suppressed easily its not the best choice obviously.
some cool stuff here guys, I think I will probably do some Deca with my next cycle then.
What about dosing? The lab I use has it at 300mg/ml, is 300mg a week enough? I’d be combining it with 600mg a week of test
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
The thing that puts me off is how long you seem to have to run it. 12 weeks of Deca with another 2 after of just test? 14 weeks is an awfully long time to be on IMO[/quote]
14 weeks is not that long. I have done a 20 week cycle
20yrs ago the recommended beginners cycle was deca 200mg a week for 6-8 weeks. It seem to work for many back then but now the rules seem completely different ie supposedly needs to be run longer, dosed higher and only used in a stack with test. back then they use to say to stay away from test and stick to anabolics like deca, primo etc but this has all changed. using a gram a week was considered risky and only used by pro’s, supposedly.
That’s really interesting Danny, what’s your experience with Deca?
Hey man
Deca is a 19-nor, that means extreme hpta suppression, make sure you have a good pct waiting consisting of aromasin,hcg,nolva,clomid. I would rather use the NPP to start with @ 300mg per week and up to 450mg per week if need be. The shorter acting ester means the drug clears your system faster so if you do get unbearable sides just stop pinning and after a week or two youll be fine.
NPP delivers lean gains with little water retention from my experience. Remember its still deca(a 19-nor) so keeping cabaser aka dostinex or bromocriptine aka parlodel on hand as well as your usual anti aromatase drug for the test I assume youll be running with it - Deca with no test will literally KILL your sex drive.
As a rule of thumb your test dose should be 1-1.5 times that of your deca dose so if your running 300mg npp,600-750mg test will be great.
Anyway goodluck bro keep us updated if/when you start
SLabBie!
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
That’s really interesting Danny, what’s your experience with Deca?[/quote]
20yrs ago (shit i feel old writting that) I started a deca only cycle 200mg a week. I put a good 5kg on and strength increases within 3 weeks. I had to pull up short due to an injury. As to say i lost these gains. But never went at it again after that due to getting married and priorites changing although i kept training etc. No deca dick, actually never heard of it then, many said it improved their sex drive, i didnt find any change in this department.Then when i was ready to go again everything had dried up here in australia because of the dam olympics. Prior to that there was alot of good vet gear like deca50, stanazolol, drive, fillybol,test prop etc all easy to get and affordable. I wish i stock pile the stuff now.
At the time alot of guys would get their info from other gym rats or the anabolic reference guide(bill phillips) and it mentioned a good first cycel as being deca 200mg a week for 6-8 weeks and a few guys did this as it was said to be low in side effects etc. If one was going to use Test it was said to keep it low at no more then 200mg a week. The guys i was hanging around at the time werent pro’s or anything, but were big boys, the doses they used were quite minimal compared to what guys say here. sometimes i wonder if the gear now is underdoses. some guys used 100mg a week of deca with stanazol 50mg twice a week and got good results, no such thing as PCT though, many held onto most of their gains. I knew a few guys who just used sustanon once a month and made gains. but the biggest dude at the time where i was training was using sustanon 3 times a week, and everyone thought he was crazy for the high doses.
Im not saying i know a great deal but just amazed how things have changed, almost a 360. Im sure guys who were competing in BB comps used alot more but the average gym junkie really used bugger all. Deca and stanazol were used the most as it was the most available. Racing horses back then were skinny but bodybuilders were bigger as thats where all the gear went.
[quote]Danny880 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
That’s really interesting Danny, what’s your experience with Deca?[/quote]
20yrs ago (shit i feel old writting that) I started a deca only cycle 200mg a week. I put a good 5kg on and strength increases within 3 weeks. I had to pull up short due to an injury. As to say i lost these gains. But never went at it again after that due to getting married and priorites changing although i kept training etc. No deca dick, actually never heard of it then, many said it improved their sex drive, i didnt find any change in this department.Then when i was ready to go again everything had dried up here in australia because of the dam olympics. Prior to that there was alot of good vet gear like deca50, stanazolol, drive, fillybol,test prop etc all easy to get and affordable. I wish i stock pile the stuff now.
At the time alot of guys would get their info from other gym rats or the anabolic reference guide(bill phillips) and it mentioned a good first cycel as being deca 200mg a week for 6-8 weeks and a few guys did this as it was said to be low in side effects etc. If one was going to use Test it was said to keep it low at no more then 200mg a week. The guys i was hanging around at the time werent pro’s or anything, but were big boys, the doses they used were quite minimal compared to what guys say here. sometimes i wonder if the gear now is underdoses. some guys used 100mg a week of deca with stanazol 50mg twice a week and got good results, no such thing as PCT though, many held onto most of their gains. I knew a few guys who just used sustanon once a month and made gains. but the biggest dude at the time where i was training was using sustanon 3 times a week, and everyone thought he was crazy for the high doses.
Im not saying i know a great deal but just amazed how things have changed, almost a 360. Im sure guys who were competing in BB comps used alot more but the average gym junkie really used bugger all. Deca and stanazol were used the most as it was the most available. Racing horses back then were skinny but bodybuilders were bigger as thats where all the gear went.
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Bro nandrolone undecanoate is deca, undecanoate the ester. The half life is 15 days If i remember correctly, so bloodlevels will only peak after 4-6 weeks. No wonder you didnt gain much…And didnt get sides either
Please dont do a deca only cycle, rather do test only if your only looking to use 1 compound only.
Deca only will kill your dick, would I lie to you?
Sor
lol, Slabbie, the guy’s been using steroids for 20 years. Pretty sure he knows everything you said there…
i think one of the reason back then the average juicer didt use alot of test and used more anabolic compounds as they didnt aromatise as much, the lack of nolva back then is probably the reason for the way gear was used. The thing guys were shit scared about was bitch tits. Guys today arent worried about this as much now as they have AI’s and nolva. Deca was said to be less likely to cause boobs if doses were kept under 400mg a week. top level bodybuilders back then had access to serms so they pushed the Test i guess. I think the internet has had alot more to do with the way guys go about things now, back then alot of info was word of mouth.
Another thing i remember was the drug insert for the deca50 which said 5mls per fortnight for horses which is 250mg a fortnight, when i read that i thought the general recommendations of guys using 200mg a week was overkill if a dam racehorse way bigger then me only needed 250mg a f/n. This also might be why guys may have used much lower doses too.
Thanks for the concern slabbie, but i was just mentioning the way things were 20yrs for the average gym rat.
cheers!
just looking out for you my man, do it, dont do it…