btw imho,…when you are 230lbs plus, like me…body-weight stuff is pretty fucking tough. i can go to town on the entire stack on most back machines, or load up more plates than most hammer back machines can hold, but 10-15 bw chins are tough for me.
same with dips, and pushups, my bad elbow and shoulders make pushups tougher than bench pressing 80lb dumbbells, and bw dips hurt me more than the entire stack of some triceps machines.
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
Thanks people…
I, I am very surprised
so to get to the segway.
I like to talk about stuff- waxing all nostalgic and some of the more dedicated wrestling forums
like flo-wrestling or judo forum get a little boring. the MMA forums well you know what can happen there.
that and I’m not into other sports or cars or game or shit like that.
truth be told I would coach more but its hurts to be around stuff like this when you cant do it anymore.
talking is easier then being close to something you love.
I really cant’ roll/wrestle train now for anything like that- right now its just bodyweight stuff-
kind of busy with life and a busted up neck.
and for the record, I sucked thru HS and sucked a little less in college
but was around and did the work. that is what can happen to the kid who goes to every session and busts ass.
and took advantage of lots of opportunities.
its a bitter sweet sport- emotions run high when you put in that kind of effort
turning that into your personal life - and your professional life is something
that helps me try to kick ass there too.
there is some shit that isn’t all nostalgic- getting on a scale 5 times a day for like 10 years does things to a person. lots of tears too. that’s another diatribe though.
Greco is the shit.
do I go further?
for a change the Olympic rules have destroyed some aspects of Greco-Roman
don’t get me started on clinching timed rules.
but yes for the most part it is more watchable.
Obviously the big difference is not attacking the legs at all.
No trips, no leg attack either for take downs or for turning someone.
so less bullshit take downs, or endless sprawl stalemates
its all about the body lock , big lifts and big throws
Taking that grappling element out of if makes it ‘faster’ and yes more watchable.
and the top and partier ( down ) postition are de-emphasized too
they exist only for a timed interval- 10 or 15 seconds and scoring there is pretty low in value too.
when your a kid- you start with this ridicules stance that is so low-
your shots are faster and your hands are on the ground
you get bigger older and you start to have a less severe stance
John and Leroy Smith- have this style and stance and made it work for them.
for years I used something similar - low singles being my favorite,
til I remembered that I like Judo and did a bunch of that as a kid.
in college my coach(es) pointed out kindly that for a tiny dude I am shit slow-
that I lack the hyper speed you so often see with the 55kg and down crowd
I was also kind of a big kid for 125 or so- big hands , strong enough, and slow
made the choice to switch it up to Greco.
not that greco is slow- but when your constantly loosing the initiative or
getting beat to be first - you got to work with what you got.
sorry to break up the brocktober fest.
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Brocktober is over and we are all anticipating Cainvember.
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[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^Zeb, the guy can’t take a punch. Everyone he’s fighting looks comfortable in there. Lesnar only looks comfortable when he’s steam rolling a smaller, weaker opponent. When he can’t or can’t keep 'em down and gets tagged, he’s lost. I said the same thing after the 2nd Mir fight: Lesnar does not like getting hit, and has no idea how to react when he does. The difference is he sucked Mir in [after the super effective jumping knee to nowhere] and beat on his face. He lucked in to the Carwin win. Velasquez had a smarter gameplan and Lesnar wasn’t so lucky. His days at the top are done as long as someone like Velasquez or Carwin holds the belt.[/quote]
I agree with much of what you said, he doesn’t like getting hit. He’s awkward when hit, he has no defense etc. But you are wrong regarding your first statement. The guy CAN take a punch. Both Carwin and Velasquez teed off on his head and he didn’t go lights out.
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Taking a punch is more than being a human heavy bag. Can his head physically take the punishment? The answer seems to be ‘YES’. Can his head mentally take the punishment? The answer is a resounding ‘FUCK NO’.
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I think it’s semantics at this point.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
btw imho,…when you are 230lbs plus, like me…body-weight stuff is pretty fucking tough. i can go to town on the entire stack on most back machines, or load up more plates than most hammer back machines can hold, but 10-15 bw chins are tough for me.
same with dips, and pushups, my bad elbow and shoulders make pushups tougher than bench pressing 80lb dumbbells, and bw dips hurt me more than the entire stack of some triceps machines. [/quote]
What happened? Is it just the elbow or do you have multiple physical problems?
left shoulder needs surgery, left knee, and had major reconstructive surgery on left elbow already. both shoulders are pretty bad, but my ortho sais the right shoulder can wait for a while, not so much with the left, and he sais the left knee should have been done years ago, lol.
my left arm is about 1 inch smaller than right, because of the rupture and shredding or the tendon, not just the muscle, he had nothing to attach my long head of my triceps to.
example, a strict overhead dumbbell triceps extension with my right arm i can do 60lbs. my left, maybe 15-20lbs.
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
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I guess this is old fart rambling day.
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Good post both content and format.
I like that when you ramble it isn’t a wall of text. Easy on the eyes.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
left shoulder needs surgery, left knee, and had major reconstructive surgery on left elbow already. both shoulders are pretty bad, but my ortho sais the right shoulder can wait for a while, not so much with the left, and he sais the left knee should have been done years ago, lol.
my left arm is about 1 inch smaller than right, because of the rupture and shredding or the tendon, not just the muscle, he had nothing to attach my long head of my triceps to.
example, a strict overhead dumbbell triceps extension with my right arm i can do 60lbs. my left, maybe 15-20lbs. [/quote]
I am really sorry to hear that man. My heart goes out to you. I have friends that I’ve trained with for over 20 years who are in similar shape and it’s not easy for them. I guess the important thing to remember is just keep doing whatever you’re capable of doing, which is what I hear you saying anyway.
All the best,
Zeb
Also, I know I’m a day late and a dollar short, but did anyone see the look on Dana White’s face when he put the belt of Cain? He looked like his dog just died.
[quote]Sliver wrote:
Also, I know I’m a day late and a dollar short, but did anyone see the look on Dana White’s face when he put the belt of Cain? He looked like his dog just died.[/quote]
More like cow, cash cow that is. 
[quote]Sliver wrote:
Also, I know I’m a day late and a dollar short, but did anyone see the look on Dana White’s face when he put the belt of Cain? He looked like his dog just died.[/quote]
Speaking of which, I just noticed Dave Camarillo barely holding back tears while Rogan interviewed Cain, beautiful.
Full fight, killer soundtrack-
Carwin has spinal surgery-