Lesnar vs Overeem

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[quote]Kanada wrote:
Steroids are dangerous, accept it.[/quote]

First you said this^^

[quote]Kanada wrote:
Steroids, in case you can’t read, have a detrimental impact in the lives of any pro athletes.
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In the next post you say this^^

[quote]Kanada wrote:
Steroids have incredibly potent physical effects, yet they can easily be safely used.[/quote]

and then in your next post you say this^^

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? so what is it? Are they dangerous and detrimental to any pro athlete who uses them or are they something that can easily be used safely to increase your physique incredibly?

talk about some serious contradictions Mr. Kanada.

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Please

What the fuck

does “detrimental impact in the lives of any pro athlete” even mean?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:
Steroids are dangerous, accept it.[/quote]

First you said this^^

[quote]Kanada wrote:
Steroids, in case you can’t read, have a detrimental impact in the lives of any pro athletes.
[/quote]

In the next post you say this^^

[quote]Kanada wrote:
Steroids have incredibly potent physical effects, yet they can easily be safely used.[/quote]

and then in your next post you say this^^

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? so what is it? Are they dangerous and detrimental to any pro athlete who uses them or are they something that can easily be used safely to increase your physique incredibly?

talk about some serious contradictions Mr. Kanada.
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Contradiction: A combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.

Hopefully that clears things up for him

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[quote]Kanada wrote:

Steroids are dangerous, accept it. Driving is dangerous, lifting is dangerous. Steroids just happen to be injectable. Why are you pretending that there aren’t any risks associated with taking steroids, especially when it is practically a job requirement? I mean, if you gleaned that I am claiming that we shouldn’t do steroids I am not, if you claim that steroids can’t be bad for you ever your wrong. If you take em long enough, pursue your sport high enough, make enough sacrifice you’ll find our what sacrifice actually means.[/quote]

You’re getting ahead of yourself here. I agree with everything in this post. My issue was with you talking about them in your initial post as though they caused Benoit, and all those other athletes, to die/get sick.

That is a stretch at best, and outright fear mongering at worst.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:
Steroids are dangerous, accept it.[/quote]

First you said this^^

[quote]Kanada wrote:
Steroids, in case you can’t read, have a detrimental impact in the lives of any pro athletes.
[/quote]

In the next post you say this^^

[quote]Kanada wrote:
Steroids have incredibly potent physical effects, yet they can easily be safely used.[/quote]

and then in your next post you say this^^

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? so what is it? Are they dangerous and detrimental to any pro athlete who uses them or are they something that can easily be used safely to increase your physique incredibly?

talk about some serious contradictions Mr. Kanada.
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Good breakdown Greg. Pretty much sums up my opinion of his posts so far.

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[quote]rundymc wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:
Steroids are dangerous, accept it.[/quote]

First you said this^^

[quote]Kanada wrote:
Steroids, in case you can’t read, have a detrimental impact in the lives of any pro athletes.
[/quote]

In the next post you say this^^

[quote]Kanada wrote:
Steroids have incredibly potent physical effects, yet they can easily be safely used.[/quote]

and then in your next post you say this^^

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? so what is it? Are they dangerous and detrimental to any pro athlete who uses them or are they something that can easily be used safely to increase your physique incredibly?

talk about some serious contradictions Mr. Kanada.
[/quote]

Good breakdown Greg. Pretty much sums up my opinion of his posts so far.[/quote]

this is why many people who post
need to improve their syllable to comedy ratio

or syllable to sense ratio

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[quote]Ranzo wrote:
I agree. I think he made the mistake of fighting angry. It looked to me like he took an adrenaline dump at the end of the first round and had to recover. He should have controled his anger and picked his shots more. I also think he should have went for some GnP after some of those takedowns.

[/quote]Yeah in the third round he dropped Diaz and Diaz’s head was right next to his feet. He could have just dropped straight down to the canvas and been in side control and started bouncing Diaz’s head off the canvas with his fists. But he was too tired and didn’t react quickly enough and let Diaz get up.

It’s also interesting because I thought, with all the kicks that were dropping Diaz, that he won the second round but two judges scored it for Diaz. However, I guarantee if those were traditional takedowns that he would have won that round and maybe even the third. It’s weird because I don’t really see the difference. (I’m talking about takedowns where nothing happens and the guy on the bottom stands back up or the ref stands it up, not takedowns where there is punching/subbing afterwards)

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Hello, I’ll try and clear his statements up so they make some cogent sense… I know its difficult to fully articulate nuanced opinions when indulging in internet arguments. And the poster clearly seems intelligent.

[quote]Kanada wrote:
Steroids are dangerous, accept it.[/quote]

Which is true, there are very serious medical repercussions for mis-using steroids, and people can get in SERIOUS trouble if they don’t know what they are doing.

[quote]Kanada wrote:
Steroids, in case you can’t read, have a detrimental impact in the lives of any pro athletes.
[/quote]

I think if he inserted the qualifier “can”, this sentence would be more digestible. Steroids CAN have a detrimnetal impact on the lives of any pro athlete. Well i think its true to say that SPORT can have a detrimental impact on an athlete - because any competitive sport puts the body through stress it can’t
fully recover from.

I would say, however, that steroids are very important in mitigating this stressers and can help the body heal/repair and keep the fighter competitive in this demanding age. But there is a danger when this is abused - i’m thinking Strongman competitors who die of heart attacks at such a young age (this is pure speculation on my part by the way.

[quote]Kanada wrote:
Steroids have incredibly potent physical effects, yet they can easily be safely used.[/quote]

Yes. Wait…

Shit… excuse me people. Just typimg that out I realise he’s talking shit. What the… why the hell try and emphasise the DEMONING OH HELL! aspect of steroids when they clearly have upteen health benefits and can prolong the career and help with rehabilitation of MANY athletes???

Yes, sorry, you need to be chastised Kanada. Fool!

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

Yes, i do agree, and i think that was completely on purpose. Overeem is too good a striker to make amateur mistakes, his hands were probably low (along with his very low stance) in anticipation of the takedown and i dont believe he would keep his hands that low against someone with more respectable standup. However he was completely right in doing what he did given the results of the fight.
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Agree.

I guess there won’t be any walking clinch vs JDS.

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[quote]Ranzo wrote:
I agree. I think he made the mistake of fighting angry. It looked to me like he took an adrenaline dump at the end of the first round and had to recover. He should have controled his anger and picked his shots more. I also think he should have went for some GnP after some of those takedowns.

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x2

I’d wished he had not let Diaz that easily, like you said, after the takedowns.

Funny thing is I was as angry as he was, seeing him getting pummelled and hardly capable of retaliating, all gassed out… When Diaz showed him the finger at the start of the last round, I actually thought, that’d make Cerrone even madder and force him to change his strategy and make Diaz pay.

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What annoyed me about the Diaz vs Cerrone fight was every time cerrone got Diaz on ground from his kicks, he kept letting him stand up! Not once did he even attempt to ground and pound him at that point, even after Diaz showed him the finger. Pissed me off.

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Cerrone didn’t leave it all on the table like I expected him to. He was losing standup and even if he was concerned with Nate’s bottom game…he needed to take the fight to him. He came out guns blazing(cause he’s a cowboy…ha) in first round…and screwed himself trying to just stand in front of Nate. You don’t stand in front of someone’s range with no head movement…AND not being the first to get off…ESPECIALLY a Diaz bro. BUT I’m still one of biggest “Cowboy” fans…he will be back to whoop someone’s ass…

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Cerrone didn’t leave it all on the table like I expected him to. He was losing standup and even if he was concerned with Nate’s bottom game…he needed to take the fight to him. He came out guns blazing(cause he’s a cowboy…ha) in first round…and screwed himself trying to just stand in front of Nate. You don’t stand in front of someone’s range with no head movement…AND not being the first to get off…ESPECIALLY a Diaz bro. BUT I’m still one of biggest “Cowboy” fans…he will be back to whoop someone’s ass…[/quote]

Agree.

My take on it was Cerrone did not show the ability to fight backing up. When he was able to get Diaz to take a step back or even force him a bit Cerrone landed good shots and dumped him with leg kicks/sweeps. Cerrone’s best game was to stalk forward, pressure Diaz, and land low kicks. I understand not wanting to go to the ground against Diaz. I also think that when he was successful setting up his strikes then he was doing well enough not to need to go to ground. His best chance at turning it around was to come in at an angle and set up his low kicks, he just couldn’t do it because of Diaz’s chin and work rate.

Regards,

Robert A

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Yesterday while bouncing, UFC Unleashed on Fuel was on one of our TV’s and it was slow so i was basically drinking watching that. They showed the Cerrone/Siver fight. After watching that fight again, i have to say how disappointed i am in the way he fought Diaz vs the way he fought Siver, who he absolutely manhandled. And manhandling Siver on the feet is no easy task.

I think he is capable of outpointing Diaz, he just needs to fight smarter and more clearheaded, which i think he could do in a rematch now that he’s gotten all the emotions and shit out of the way.

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I thought Cerrone - just looked off.

and the tools he found success with he seemed to forget
something was up with his head movement-

thinking he was taken a bit of his game by Diaz’s success.

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[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
What annoyed me about the Diaz vs Cerrone fight was every time cerrone got Diaz on ground from his kicks, he kept letting him stand up! Not once did he even attempt to ground and pound him at that point, even after Diaz showed him the finger. Pissed me off.[/quote]

YEp i said the same thing to my friends while we were watching the fight. i dont understand how he could keep taking Diaz down and then just turning around and letting him get up i mean at least keep the pressure on after that.

And along the lines of everyone saying Cerrone was off this fight for what its worth after the fight Cerrone said his horse headbutted him or something before the fight and split his lip lol

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[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
I thought Cerrone - just looked off.

and the tools he found success with he seemed to forget
something was up with his head movement-

thinking he was taken a bit of his game by Diaz’s success.[/quote]

agreed, prize fighting is a very unique sport, months of a training camp can either go good or bad, and if you are “off” as K said, on the night of the fight, it is not like a team sport where your teammates can pick up your slack.

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^^^also lets not fall into the trap that just because a fighter loses, even if he is “your guy”, that it is solely because he had a bad night, or made mistakes, or missed opportunities, whatever cliche you want to insert,

too often we forget the man on the other side of the ring, maybe Diaz should get more credit, he just brought it better than cowboy and was the better man that night.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
I like Brock but I was gearing for Overeem since I’ve been a big fan of his in K1. And I’m pleased he won. I felt a bit bad for Brock but all things inevitably come to an end.

Looking forward to the fight vs JDS.

They look so mismatched size wise. Lol. Both are superb strikers. Overeem let his guard down and got caught by Brock. Wouldn’t want that happen with JDS. Any mistake will be Dos Santos’s opportunity to destroy him. JDS will probably try to wear O down with a series of jabs, hooks and other combo but I’m not sure if he could survive O’s brutal knees if caught in a clinch. Overeem may take this to the ground and tear JDS down… or vice versa…

Anyway, anything can happen in MMA. Whatever strategy either fighter goes for, it’s going to be bloody, gruesome like a fucking war. [/quote]

I dont think Overeem ever really let his guard down against Brock. I’ve watched that fight several times now and he never really got “caught” i think he just got grazed by the corner of the glove more than anything and that’s what caused the cut.

Also, that’ll be the day when JDS actually sets up his power punches with jabs. [/quote]

Yes, I agree with the cut. However, I’d like you to go watch the fight again and check both fighters’ guard. Overeem had his guard down most of the time. Lesnar had a better guard. Meh, didn’t save him against the beast’s knees though, ehehe…

And won’t you agree that Overeem came at Lesnar a few times with open arms, no guard up, not preparing for closing the distance? That was quite dangerous. Luckily for him, Brock is shit at striking.
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So the way I saw it, Overeem was not in any way worried about Lesnar’s striking. All he wanted to do was ensure he didn’t get taken down and end up on the bottom. He was confident that he could use head movement and footwork to avoid the striking. And pretty much that worked out for him.

Against JDS expect to see him with a much more traditional kickboxing guard

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
I like Brock but I was gearing for Overeem since I’ve been a big fan of his in K1. And I’m pleased he won. I felt a bit bad for Brock but all things inevitably come to an end.

Looking forward to the fight vs JDS.

They look so mismatched size wise. Lol. Both are superb strikers. Overeem let his guard down and got caught by Brock. Wouldn’t want that happen with JDS. Any mistake will be Dos Santos’s opportunity to destroy him. JDS will probably try to wear O down with a series of jabs, hooks and other combo but I’m not sure if he could survive O’s brutal knees if caught in a clinch. Overeem may take this to the ground and tear JDS down… or vice versa…

Anyway, anything can happen in MMA. Whatever strategy either fighter goes for, it’s going to be bloody, gruesome like a fucking war. [/quote]

I dont think Overeem ever really let his guard down against Brock. I’ve watched that fight several times now and he never really got “caught” i think he just got grazed by the corner of the glove more than anything and that’s what caused the cut.

Also, that’ll be the day when JDS actually sets up his power punches with jabs. [/quote]

Yes, I agree with the cut. However, I’d like you to go watch the fight again and check both fighters’ guard. Overeem had his guard down most of the time. Lesnar had a better guard. Meh, didn’t save him against the beast’s knees though, ehehe…

And won’t you agree that Overeem came at Lesnar a few times with open arms, no guard up, not preparing for closing the distance? That was quite dangerous. Luckily for him, Brock is shit at striking.
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So the way I saw it, Overeem was not in any way worried about Lesnar’s striking. All he wanted to do was ensure he didn’t get taken down and end up on the bottom. He was confident that he could use head movement and footwork to avoid the striking. And pretty much that worked out for him.

Against JDS expect to see him with a much more traditional kickboxing guard[/quote]

Exactly. Too many ppl are going with the argument that Overeem is going to get blasted by JDS based on how he fought Brock. I don’t get how ppl still don’t understand that fighting isn’t cookie-cutter when it comes to game planning.