Lesnar is Huge!

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[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:

Man im talking defensive lineman , linebackers, and some runningbacks, when you average in secondary, and recievers that would make the bell curve lighter.[/quote]

Nice job of changing the criteria.

Your initial post said most NFL players, not selected guys at certain positions. Even then, you are still wrong.

  • The average LB is under 250 pounds
  • The average RB is under 230 pounds

The only positions in the NFL where most guys are bigger than Lesnar are the offensive/defensive lines, and those guys only account for about 1/3 of the NFL roster spots. The other 2/3 are occupied by guys who are smaller than Brock Lesnar.

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[quote]Andrew Dixon wrote:
Wiki says that Royce Gracie will be training him. Awesome.[/quote]

Wiki is wrong. The whole ‘training with Royce’ thing was a marketing ploy by FEG.

Lesnar is actually training with Greg Nelson at the Minnesota Martial Arts Academy. MMAA is a well respected school and is also home to UFC LW champ Sean Sherk, and UFC veterans Nick Thompson and Brock Larson.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
He looked better in WWF.[/quote]

Of course he did.

He had to lose 30 pounds to qualify as a HW, he no longer spends hours in the tanning booth, and he doesn’t slather on the posing oil before getting his picture taken anymore.

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[quote]Going Apeshit wrote:
Bauer97 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
He looked better in WWF.

That’s an understatement. He looks damn near terrible compared to his WWF/WWE days, as well as compared to his NCAA days at Minnesota.

Back in his WWE days he was a monster. I’m sure he is still, but he pales in comparison to his earlier days.

Good job to win the first fight convincingly though. There were a lot of people thinking he’d fuck up.

[/quote]

Look around youtube for Kurt Angles olympic gold winning match. Compared to the way he looked in WWE, he looks absolutely scrawny (from what I remember), but was in far better physical shape.

I’m not looking to rekindle the “functional vs nonfunctional” debate, but it does seem that, generally, people dont look as good when they train purely for athletic performance (as opposed to training for aestetics).

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[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
whatever man, he’s just a big dude, his legs are pretty small, and his upper body isn’t that impressive just looks like a big lumber jack dude.

those stats might be taken for ALL football players, but not starters.

Most defensive linemen are close to 300 and the ones that are 260 ish are fast mean ass kicking machines. Does jevon kearse come to mind? Most linebackers could flatten him on his back.

Here is an example take a look at thomas jones he is fin thick and developed not just a genetic lumber jack.

Im talking most PRO olympia ish bodybuilders most tip over 300 off season![/quote]

most defensive linemen are very fat too. trim that off of them and they’d be smaller than lesner.

they are not weak, but they are not strong for their weight as far as pro athletes go either. a linemen serves the purpose of blocking anybody from getting past them. if boulders could move freely, coaches would draft boulders. but they can’t, so for now big guys will do.

they just get in the way of people and their weight is hard to move, even if a lot of it is fat.

lesner didn’t seem fat at all, and as already mentioned outweighs many football players as it is.

that doesn’t mean the fat linemen aren’t huge, as far as impressive size goes, lesner has it and fat linemen, however strong, do not. eating excessive amounts of cheeseburgers isn’t impressive.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Going Apeshit wrote:
Bauer97 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
He looked better in WWF.

That’s an understatement. He looks damn near terrible compared to his WWF/WWE days, as well as compared to his NCAA days at Minnesota.

Back in his WWE days he was a monster. I’m sure he is still, but he pales in comparison to his earlier days.

Good job to win the first fight convincingly though. There were a lot of people thinking he’d fuck up.

Look around youtube for Kurt Angles olympic gold winning match. Compared to the way he looked in WWE, he looks absolutely scrawny (from what I remember), but was in far better physical shape.

I’m not looking to rekindle the “functional vs nonfunctional” debate, but it does seem that, generally, people dont look as good when they train purely for athletic performance (as opposed to training for aestetics).

[/quote]

i have a theory that the WWE heavily promotes steroids among it’s performers. they are not real athletes (at least not while performing in the WWE) and aren’t tested by any sports commission.

they are an entertainment entity, and their entertainment is to be big, strong and to fake ass kickings.

nobody wants to see scrawny people fake fight.

i wouldn’t doubt vince vaughn promotes anobolic use at all. i do think it is stupid to assume every huge guy is on roids, but the fake wrestlers are always very lean, very big and when you see them retire they do shrink much faster than you’d expect. they also have had guys in their fifties look better than mid 20’s guys who are avid trainers.

simple science tells you that a 50 yr old, even if training, should not be able to outperform a guy in his mid 20’s who trains equally hard. not with out help at least.

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[quote]texasguy wrote:

i have a theory that the WWE heavily promotes steroids among it’s performers. they are not real athletes (at least not while performing in the WWE) and aren’t tested by any sports commission.

[/quote]

This “theory” of yours is just plain crazy. WWE is all about squats and milk

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[quote]texasguy wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Going Apeshit wrote:
Bauer97 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
He looked better in WWF.

That’s an understatement. He looks damn near terrible compared to his WWF/WWE days, as well as compared to his NCAA days at Minnesota.

Back in his WWE days he was a monster. I’m sure he is still, but he pales in comparison to his earlier days.

Good job to win the first fight convincingly though. There were a lot of people thinking he’d fuck up.

Look around youtube for Kurt Angles olympic gold winning match. Compared to the way he looked in WWE, he looks absolutely scrawny (from what I remember), but was in far better physical shape.

I’m not looking to rekindle the “functional vs nonfunctional” debate, but it does seem that, generally, people dont look as good when they train purely for athletic performance (as opposed to training for aestetics).

i have a theory that the WWE heavily promotes steroids among it’s performers. they are not real athletes (at least not while performing in the WWE) and aren’t tested by any sports commission.

they are an entertainment entity, and their entertainment is to be big, strong and to fake ass kickings.

nobody wants to see scrawny people fake fight.

i wouldn’t doubt vince vaughn promotes anobolic use at all. i do think it is stupid to assume every huge guy is on roids, but the fake wrestlers are always very lean, very big and when you see them retire they do shrink much faster than you’d expect. they also have had guys in their fifties look better than mid 20’s guys who are avid trainers.

simple science tells you that a 50 yr old, even if training, should not be able to outperform a guy in his mid 20’s who trains equally hard. not with out help at least.

[/quote]

Does Vince Vaughn promote the Wedding Crashers Wrestling Association? It’s Vince McMahon.

And Lesnar probably had anabolic assistance while he was in the WWE, and can’t now because California tests for anabolics.

As for pro wrestling being “fake ass kickings”, the broken necks of Edge, Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit would like to have a word with you.

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[quote]TJN713 wrote:
texasguy wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Going Apeshit wrote:
Bauer97 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
He looked better in WWF.

That’s an understatement. He looks damn near terrible compared to his WWF/WWE days, as well as compared to his NCAA days at Minnesota.

Back in his WWE days he was a monster. I’m sure he is still, but he pales in comparison to his earlier days.

Good job to win the first fight convincingly though. There were a lot of people thinking he’d fuck up.

Look around youtube for Kurt Angles olympic gold winning match. Compared to the way he looked in WWE, he looks absolutely scrawny (from what I remember), but was in far better physical shape.

I’m not looking to rekindle the “functional vs nonfunctional” debate, but it does seem that, generally, people dont look as good when they train purely for athletic performance (as opposed to training for aestetics).

i have a theory that the WWE heavily promotes steroids among it’s performers. they are not real athletes (at least not while performing in the WWE) and aren’t tested by any sports commission.

they are an entertainment entity, and their entertainment is to be big, strong and to fake ass kickings.

nobody wants to see scrawny people fake fight.

i wouldn’t doubt vince vaughn promotes anobolic use at all. i do think it is stupid to assume every huge guy is on roids, but the fake wrestlers are always very lean, very big and when you see them retire they do shrink much faster than you’d expect. they also have had guys in their fifties look better than mid 20’s guys who are avid trainers.

simple science tells you that a 50 yr old, even if training, should not be able to outperform a guy in his mid 20’s who trains equally hard. not with out help at least.

Does Vince Vaughn promote the Wedding Crashers Wrestling Association? …[/quote]

He got the guys from Average Joe’s Gym pretty jacked in Dodgeball.

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[quote]texasguy wrote:
i have a theory that the WWE heavily promotes steroids among it’s performers. they are not real athletes (at least not while performing in the WWE) and aren’t tested by any sports commission.

they are an entertainment entity, and their entertainment is to be big, strong and to fake ass kickings.

nobody wants to see scrawny people fake fight.

i wouldn’t doubt vince vaughn promotes anobolic use at all. i do think it is stupid to assume every huge guy is on roids, but the fake wrestlers are always very lean, very big and when you see them retire they do shrink much faster than you’d expect. they also have had guys in their fifties look better than mid 20’s guys who are avid trainers.

simple science tells you that a 50 yr old, even if training, should not be able to outperform a guy in his mid 20’s who trains equally hard. not with out help at least.

[/quote]

I dont know, I know Vince faced a lot of trouble a few years back about 'roids, so I have my doubts. Then again, who knows.

I don’t know about the “real athletes” part. Personally I consider them professional stunt men; certainly a physically demanding and mentally tough job. Sure, they pretend to punch and kick each other, and learn how to land so they dont get hurt… but you cant fake falling 15 feet off a cage into a table. Smoke and mirrors just doesnt work for shit like that.

Their jobs go a little beyond the “fake ass kickings” part, IMO, to keeping the crowd interested and playing out a storyline. They’re actors, really. Again, stuntmen.

People seem to be so advidly “anti-prowrestling” because its “fake”. Yet I dont hear them complaining about the latest Jet Li film because “He’s not really fighting all those guys!!!”

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[quote]TJN713 wrote:
texasguy wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Going Apeshit wrote:
Bauer97 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
He looked better in WWF.

That’s an understatement. He looks damn near terrible compared to his WWF/WWE days, as well as compared to his NCAA days at Minnesota.

Back in his WWE days he was a monster. I’m sure he is still, but he pales in comparison to his earlier days.

Good job to win the first fight convincingly though. There were a lot of people thinking he’d fuck up.

Look around youtube for Kurt Angles olympic gold winning match. Compared to the way he looked in WWE, he looks absolutely scrawny (from what I remember), but was in far better physical shape.

I’m not looking to rekindle the “functional vs nonfunctional” debate, but it does seem that, generally, people dont look as good when they train purely for athletic performance (as opposed to training for aestetics).

i have a theory that the WWE heavily promotes steroids among it’s performers. they are not real athletes (at least not while performing in the WWE) and aren’t tested by any sports commission.

they are an entertainment entity, and their entertainment is to be big, strong and to fake ass kickings.

nobody wants to see scrawny people fake fight.

i wouldn’t doubt vince vaughn promotes anobolic use at all. i do think it is stupid to assume every huge guy is on roids, but the fake wrestlers are always very lean, very big and when you see them retire they do shrink much faster than you’d expect. they also have had guys in their fifties look better than mid 20’s guys who are avid trainers.

simple science tells you that a 50 yr old, even if training, should not be able to outperform a guy in his mid 20’s who trains equally hard. not with out help at least.

Does Vince Vaughn promote the Wedding Crashers Wrestling Association? It’s Vince McMahon.

And Lesnar probably had anabolic assistance while he was in the WWE, and can’t now because California tests for anabolics.

As for pro wrestling being “fake ass kickings”, the broken necks of Edge, Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit would like to have a word with you.[/quote]

Agreed.

And yeah, no shit there probably was/is anabolics throughout the WWE. These guys are traveling to shows year-round, with no offseason whatsoever, yet maintain some of the physiques they do.

However, I did notice a steep decline in the physiques of WWE wrestlers as the BALCO investigations started coming about.

On the note of pro-wrestling being fake: Yes, the results of the matches are pre-determined, and the dialogue is scripted, and no, they’re not actually punching each other in the face.

However, everything else that goes on during the match requires strength, athleticism, and coordination, just like all ‘real’ sports.

Also, I’ve seen few athletes do anything tougher than HHH, who finished the final 5 minutes of a ‘fake’ wrestling match after fully tearing his quadricep.

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Did anybody see that Morton was suspended for not providing a sample post fight:

It states that he provided one prior to the fight though so I don’t get it.

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[quote]TJN713 wrote:
texasguy wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Going Apeshit wrote:
Bauer97 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
He looked better in WWF.

That’s an understatement. He looks damn near terrible compared to his WWF/WWE days, as well as compared to his NCAA days at Minnesota.

Back in his WWE days he was a monster. I’m sure he is still, but he pales in comparison to his earlier days.

Good job to win the first fight convincingly though. There were a lot of people thinking he’d fuck up.

Look around youtube for Kurt Angles olympic gold winning match. Compared to the way he looked in WWE, he looks absolutely scrawny (from what I remember), but was in far better physical shape.

I’m not looking to rekindle the “functional vs nonfunctional” debate, but it does seem that, generally, people dont look as good when they train purely for athletic performance (as opposed to training for aestetics).

i have a theory that the WWE heavily promotes steroids among it’s performers. they are not real athletes (at least not while performing in the WWE) and aren’t tested by any sports commission.

they are an entertainment entity, and their entertainment is to be big, strong and to fake ass kickings.

nobody wants to see scrawny people fake fight.

i wouldn’t doubt vince vaughn promotes anobolic use at all. i do think it is stupid to assume every huge guy is on roids, but the fake wrestlers are always very lean, very big and when you see them retire they do shrink much faster than you’d expect. they also have had guys in their fifties look better than mid 20’s guys who are avid trainers.

simple science tells you that a 50 yr old, even if training, should not be able to outperform a guy in his mid 20’s who trains equally hard. not with out help at least.

Does Vince Vaughn promote the Wedding Crashers Wrestling Association? It’s Vince McMahon.

And Lesnar probably had anabolic assistance while he was in the WWE, and can’t now because California tests for anabolics.

As for pro wrestling being “fake ass kickings”, the broken necks of Edge, Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit would like to have a word with you.[/quote]

mcmahan. my bad.

and please tell me you are kidding about fake wrestling being real. injuries stem from accidents. those are not real fights at all.

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[quote]AdamC wrote:
Did anybody see that Morton was suspended for not providing a sample post fight:

It states that he provided one prior to the fight though so I don’t get it.[/quote]

rather than steroids, it could have been amphetamines, cocaine or something else to give him an edge. he could have taken these after his pre fight test, but they would show up post fight.

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[quote]texasguy wrote:
and please tell me you are kidding about fake wrestling being real. injuries stem from accidents. those are not real fights at all. [/quote]

I think hes pointing out the fact that there is plenty “real” about prowrestling: real injuries, real risks, real athleticism, real skill, etc.

Yes, its planned out and they arent actually trying to hurt each other, but its not safe or easy, by any longshot.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
texasguy wrote:
and please tell me you are kidding about fake wrestling being real. injuries stem from accidents. those are not real fights at all.

I think hes pointing out the fact that there is plenty “real” about prowrestling: real injuries, real risks, real athleticism, real skill, etc.

Yes, its planned out and they arent actually trying to hurt each other, but its not safe or easy, by any longshot.[/quote]

Exactly. Pro wrestling is not the most cerbral of pastimes, but dismissing it as “fake” because the finishes are pre-planned diminshes the skills of the athletes/performers in the ring. They put their bodies through incredible punishment, night in and night out. It might not be your cup of tea, Texasguy, but your dismissiveness of of pro wrestling shows that you really don’t know much of what you are talking about.

Case in point: ask Brock Lesnar about how it felt to fall on his head when he gooned a shooting star press in his match with Kurt Angle at Wrestlmania. I guarantee you that was, and will be, the hardest hit he ever takes in a wrestling or MMA ring.

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Based on this thread and the NHL Combine thread, I think Texasguy just gets his jollies from pissing people off.

Either that or he is just a naturally abrasive personality who pisses people off without even trying.

Either way, all of these indignant responses to his ramblings accomplish nothing more than bringing a smile to his face.

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[quote]Steve4192 wrote:
Based on this thread and the NHL Combine thread, I think Texasguy just gets his jollies from pissing people off.

Either that or he is just a naturally abrasive personality who pisses people off without even trying.

Either way, all of these indignant responses to his ramblings accomplish nothing more than bringing a smile to his face.[/quote]

Did you expect anything less judging from his avatar? It’s almost as gay as Rockscar’s.

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[quote]TJN713 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
texasguy wrote:
and please tell me you are kidding about fake wrestling being real. injuries stem from accidents. those are not real fights at all.

I think hes pointing out the fact that there is plenty “real” about prowrestling: real injuries, real risks, real athleticism, real skill, etc.

Yes, its planned out and they arent actually trying to hurt each other, but its not safe or easy, by any longshot.

Exactly. Pro wrestling is not the most cerbral of pastimes, but dismissing it as “fake” because the finishes are pre-planned diminshes the skills of the athletes/performers in the ring. They put their bodies through incredible punishment, night in and night out. It might not be your cup of tea, Texasguy, but your dismissiveness of of pro wrestling shows that you really don’t know much of what you are talking about.

Case in point: ask Brock Lesnar about how it felt to fall on his head when he gooned a shooting star press in his match with Kurt Angle at Wrestlmania. I guarantee you that was, and will be, the hardest hit he ever takes in a wrestling or MMA ring.

Brock Lesner falling on his head while attempting a pre-planned fake move doesn’t make pro wrestling a sport any more than adam sandler playing basketball on a movie makes him an athlete.

a sport doesn’t have predetermined outcomes.

pro wrestlers are in shape actors.

i’m not saying they aren’t athletic in general. i’m saying it’s not a real sport, no commission tests them and they can and do get away with steroids.

what is it with fake wrestling and hockey fans? you take such offense at such simple statements.

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[quote]Steve4192 wrote:
Based on this thread and the NHL Combine thread, I think Texasguy just gets his jollies from pissing people off.

Either that or he is just a naturally abrasive personality who pisses people off without even trying.

Either way, all of these indignant responses to his ramblings accomplish nothing more than bringing a smile to his face.[/quote]
so now fake wrestling is a real sport?

sports are competitive. are you going to tell me that pre-planned outcomes = competition?

and i just call it like i see it. if it pisses you off cry about it. i still think that benching 150 lbs 10 times is laughable, especially when a reporter says the guy “really ripped it up.”. it’s funny like a kid bragging he can pull a tricky move on a skateboard and then busting his ass.

and i don’t think fake wrestling is real. fake is never real.

hell, they even had a reality show where aspiring fake wrestlers trained, learned how to be thrown so the thrower doesn’t actually have to throw, they learn how to land, how to take cues to know which move to expect etc.

it’s fake. it’s not a sport. that is a fact.

you can debate their athleticism all you want, and i would agree that pro wrestlers are strong individuals, but their profession is not athletics. it’s acting.

either way, the “it’s not a real sport” comment was to explain that i think they are juicing for show and get away with it because there is no sports commission testing them.

that is all. if others want to look deeper in to it, so be it, but their sensitivity is not my problem.