LEO Encounters and Complaints

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[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

As for standing up to the cops on principle; it’s really pointless. Nothing is going to come of what BG did. Some officers are not going to stop being dicks and questions aren’t going to stop being asked. Officers aren’t going to start being better trained in the law because of this either.

BG was completely in his right to do what he did and the officers didn’t do anything that could get them sued, so really this is just a standard situation where no one was harmed and thus no difference can be made law or training wise. It’s unfortunate for his mental “must prove a point” sake that BG wasn’t roughed up a bit.[/quote]

I have a problem with your post.
Is it your position that we shouldn’t do any thing about our rights being violated because it won’t make a difference?
If we don’t look out for our own rights who will?
I think it is better if everyone knows their rights and exercises them in small ways like the op’s situation because it is easier and safer to exercise them then rather than when they are locked up for being wrongfully accused of murder(like in AC’s post). The police don’t become corrupt are overnight it happens because the citizens allow them to get away with small violation of their rights then it escalates. If we aren’t going to look after our own rights maybe we don’t deserve them.
Also I didn’t like the wanting him to be “roughed up”, his child was in the car. I guess there is some kind of private disagreement going on here.
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The problem is, no rights were actually violated. BG exercised his right and the cop talked some smack but nothing happened. It was basically terrible customer service. While I wish complaining about the cop’s “customer service” would do some good, I don’t think it will unless you can make them pay somehow in court. That’s just the way our system works.

I don’t want anyone roughed up; I was just making a joke to the sad fact that more could have come of this if he was. Sometimes the state of things is just so sad you have to laugh a bit.

Edit: Interesting point about more people exercising their rights and the education therein. I’ve thought for quite some time that a high school law course should be mandatory.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

As for standing up to the cops on principle; it’s really pointless. Nothing is going to come of what BG did. Some officers are not going to stop being dicks and questions aren’t going to stop being asked. Officers aren’t going to start being better trained in the law because of this either.

BG was completely in his right to do what he did and the officers didn’t do anything that could get them sued, so really this is just a standard situation where no one was harmed and thus no difference can be made law or training wise. It’s unfortunate for his mental “must prove a point” sake that BG wasn’t roughed up a bit.[/quote]

I have a problem with your post.
Is it your position that we shouldn’t do any thing about our rights being violated because it won’t make a difference?
If we don’t look out for our own rights who will?
I think it is better if everyone knows their rights and exercises them in small ways like the op’s situation because it is easier and safer to exercise them then rather than when they are locked up for being wrongfully accused of murder(like in AC’s post). The police don’t become corrupt are overnight it happens because the citizens allow them to get away with small violation of their rights then it escalates. If we aren’t going to look after our own rights maybe we don’t deserve them.
Also I didn’t like the wanting him to be “roughed up”, his child was in the car. I guess there is some kind of private disagreement going on here.
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The problem is, no rights were actually violated. BG exercised his right and the cop talked some smack but nothing happened. It was basically terrible customer service. While I wish complaining about the cop’s “customer service” would do some good, I don’t think it will unless you can make them pay somehow in court. That’s just the way our system works.

I don’t want anyone roughed up; I was just making a joke to the sad fact that more could have come of this if he was. Sometimes the state of things is just so sad you have to laugh a bit.

Edit: Interesting point about more people exercising their rights and the education therein. I’ve thought for quite some time that a high school law course should be mandatory.[/quote]

“Customer service” yep and they work for us. So we should expect a lot from them.

The cop was trying to bully info out of BG and BG exercised his right not too give it up. It is a small battle but better a bunch of small ones than a really big one. I disagree that we should give up on the small battles and that they don’t make a difference.

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[quote]DeterminedNate wrote:
BG, if your letter is ever addressed, please let us know. I’d be interested in what the police have to say.

I too, have never had a positive experience with a LEO, and I’d like to think that I’m nothing but an an honest, upstanding citizen, minding my own damn business.

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Letter has been replied to; it’s been referred to their professional standards officer and the chief confirmed that all stops are audio and video taped. They will review the stop and contact me.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Your childhood is unfortunate for your adulthood, and future. The other attention whore was here, I knew the other couldn’t be far behind. Do you guys have an alert system like the bat signal in the sky? Or is just you two rockets scientists PMing each other?[/quote]

lol it must be hard to carry all that hostility.

No worries though. I am entertained.
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You sound hostile. Are you mad?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

…Regarding perjury to get a conviction or to cover up misconduct, this is obviously reprehensible for anybody…[/quote]

FTR, I have personally had a LEO blatantly perjure himself in court just to obtain a speeding conviction against me. A FUCKING SPEEDING TICKET. He sacrificed his personal integrity, if he had any to begin with, in order to procure $85.00 for Leon County, Florida’s coffers and to justify the ticket he gave me.
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I’ve seen one perjure against me in open court, trying his damndest to convict me of disorderly conduct for saying “Fuck You” to one of his co-workers.

The poor guy. If only he had known that my vocal chords were damaged so badly that I can barely speak above a regular conversational volume, he wouldn’t have had to try so hard to violate my civil rights. To listen to him you would have thought I was bringing down the walls of Jericho.

As my attorney put it- “It is a given that cops are going to lie. Fortunately for us, they are stupid.”.

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That reminds me of another time in Columbia MD (Howard County) I was given a $500 ticket for littering. I had a soda and after I was finished I emptied the ICE out of the car window. He said he saw me dump the lit too. Even after I SHOWED him the lid and the straw still attached to the cup he still wrote me the ticket.

I tore his ass up in court and at the very end he was like, “your honor, I thought I saw a straw” to which I replied, “it was 8:00 at night, you were 100 yards behind me and you “think” you saw a CLEAR PLASTIC straw among a bunch of ice cubes? Why am I here?”. The judge ruled in my favor.

The funny part is that after court the asshole cop FOLLOWED me in his cruiser up and down Rt. 29 and around Columbia for almost an HOUR until he gave up and went away. I guess his little ego felt bruised and he needed to try and intimidate me. Fucking thugs.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
That reminds me of another time in Columbia MD (Howard County) I was given a $500 ticket for littering. I had a soda and after I was finished I emptied the ICE out of the car window. He said he saw me dump the lit too. Even after I SHOWED him the lid and the straw still attached to the cup he still wrote me the ticket.

I tore his ass up in court and at the very end he was like, “your honor, I thought I saw a straw” to which I replied, “it was 8:00 at night, you were 100 yards behind me and you “think” you saw a CLEAR PLASTIC straw among a bunch of ice cubes? Why am I here?”. The judge ruled in my favor.

The funny part is that after court the asshole cop FOLLOWED me in his cruiser up and down Rt. 29 and around Columbia for almost an HOUR until he gave up and went away. I guess his little ego felt bruised and he needed to try and intimidate me. Fucking thugs.[/quote]

If I haven’t said it yet; Gee I’m sure glad I live in Canada. lol

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
That reminds me of another time in Columbia MD (Howard County) I was given a $500 ticket for littering. I had a soda and after I was finished I emptied the ICE out of the car window. He said he saw me dump the lit too. Even after I SHOWED him the lid and the straw still attached to the cup he still wrote me the ticket.

I tore his ass up in court and at the very end he was like, “your honor, I thought I saw a straw” to which I replied, “it was 8:00 at night, you were 100 yards behind me and you “think” you saw a CLEAR PLASTIC straw among a bunch of ice cubes? Why am I here?”. The judge ruled in my favor.

The funny part is that after court the asshole cop FOLLOWED me in his cruiser up and down Rt. 29 and around Columbia for almost an HOUR until he gave up and went away. I guess his little ego felt bruised and he needed to try and intimidate me. Fucking thugs.[/quote]

Have you ever thought of writing a book, seriously these experiences needs to be expressed to a larger audience, very unfortunate that you have/had to deal with this BS but could

I stated earlier in the thread that I was an LEO and have been on both sides of the fence. I find it very interesting that it seems that while I had some bad experiences with the NYPD most of my experiences have been positive. Can it be said that smaller police agencies may abuse their power because less of national eye is placed on them?

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
That reminds me of another time in Columbia MD (Howard County) I was given a $500 ticket for littering. I had a soda and after I was finished I emptied the ICE out of the car window. He said he saw me dump the lit too. Even after I SHOWED him the lid and the straw still attached to the cup he still wrote me the ticket.

I tore his ass up in court and at the very end he was like, “your honor, I thought I saw a straw” to which I replied, “it was 8:00 at night, you were 100 yards behind me and you “think” you saw a CLEAR PLASTIC straw among a bunch of ice cubes? Why am I here?”. The judge ruled in my favor.

The funny part is that after court the asshole cop FOLLOWED me in his cruiser up and down Rt. 29 and around Columbia for almost an HOUR until he gave up and went away. I guess his little ego felt bruised and he needed to try and intimidate me. Fucking thugs.[/quote]

Have you ever thought of writing a book, seriously these experiences needs to be expressed to a larger audience, very unfortunate that you have/had to deal with this BS but could

I stated earlier in the thread that I was an LEO and have been on both sides of the fence. I find it very interesting that it seems that while I had some bad experiences with the NYPD most of my experiences have been positive. Can it be said that smaller police agencies may abuse their power because less of national eye is placed on them?
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I’m sure a lot of it has to do with attitude, appearance, how well spoken you are est.

I had nothing but bad experiences when I was younger, but I get a whole different experience now that I’m older and well dressed with a nicer car.

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This thread makes me wonder if any of the women on T Nation have had to go through even half of the LEO bullshit men have to deal with.

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[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
This thread makes me wonder if any of the women on T Nation have had to go through even half of the LEO bullshit men have to deal with.[/quote]

So every T-Nation woman who has responded to this thread has been full of shit? I don’t understand your statement, could you clarify please?

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That intimidation thing goes badly sometimes. An old friend of mine was being arrested for an assault he committed in a bar. Given the place, cops show up in numbers, but he wasn’t putting up any resistance. As he’s being cuffed, the cop pulls his arm back and gives his wrist an extra twist. He tells the cop he’s cooperating, but don’t pull that shit. Cop bounces him off of the wall. Bad move. He turned, broke loose and shattered the cops orbital socket in one quick move.

The others tried to restrain him but he broke ones arm and did a lot of serious damage to the other six before he just gave up. He sustained a lot of damage too, but was way past the point of give a fuck, in the situation and in life in general.

Cop just had to get that little dig in, didn’t he?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

I’m sure a lot of it has to do with attitude, appearance, how well spoken you are est.

I had nothing but bad experiences when I was younger, but I get a whole different experience now that I’m older and well dressed with a nicer car.[/quote]

Eh, maybe. If ever there is a turn style, security check point, or any other type of crowd control, I get pulled from it by police or security and thoroughly checked. Always have, probably always will. I have what they call a “funny look”.

Not all of my interactions are entirely bad though. I had one newer cop asking me what I did/was using to get bigger after a minor incident with a fellow motorist (after they put their guns away). He wanted to put on some size and strength.

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[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
This thread makes me wonder if any of the women on T Nation have had to go through even half of the LEO bullshit men have to deal with.[/quote]

So every T-Nation woman who has responded to this thread has been full of shit? I don’t understand your statement, could you clarify please?[/quote]

I didn’t say that.

I’m just curious about their personal experiences with LEOs.

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[quote]Soulja874 wrote:

[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
This thread makes me wonder if any of the women on T Nation have had to go through even half of the LEO bullshit men have to deal with.[/quote]

So every T-Nation woman who has responded to this thread has been full of shit? I don’t understand your statement, could you clarify please?[/quote]

I didn’t say that.

I’m just curious about their personal experiences with LEOs.[/quote]

I’m sorry, for some reason I read it as you being a smart ass. Comprehension fail on my part.

I work nights and I go through check stops all the time, I also get pulled over on occasion just because I am out late. I usually ask why he wants to know what I am doing out, but usually they tell me first or act friendly, my experiences have not been as negative as the ones mentioned.

I usually deal with the RCMP though, I’m from Canada.

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[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:

[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
This thread makes me wonder if any of the women on T Nation have had to go through even half of the LEO bullshit men have to deal with.[/quote]

So every T-Nation woman who has responded to this thread has been full of shit? I don’t understand your statement, could you clarify please?[/quote]

I didn’t say that.

I’m just curious about their personal experiences with LEOs.[/quote]

I’m sorry, for some reason I read it as you being a smart ass. Comprehension fail on my part.

I work nights and I go through check stops all the time, I also get pulled over on occasion just because I am out late. I usually ask why he wants to know what I am doing out, but usually they tell me first or act friendly, my experiences have not been as negative as the ones mentioned.

I usually deal with the RCMP though, I’m from Canada.
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No worries, I’m not as bitter as some of the people on here.

That’s usually the case, women just don’t have to put up with the insecure ego trippin’ wanna be Dirty Harrys of law enforcement.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Silvergoat 66 wrote:
As an LEO I can faithfully state that the OP’s course of action was appropriate and , in the interest of quality assurance, needed. There are lots of under-trained rookies and complacent veteran officers that need a “refresher” on the standards of conduct and letter of the law. I’m not saying that the officer in question should have any form of administrative punishment, but his supervisor should take heed and require some sort of remedial action in the form of extra training, or, making a house call and apologizing for the poor conduct. This would at least help rehabilitate his kids image of LEOs in general.

Please don’t group the entire LE community into one genre of incompetent assholes. The actions of a few shouldn’t speak for the community as a whole.

Just remember that in order to prevent other people from experiencing the same problem, you got to do exactly the kind of thing that the OP did. That is, doing the exact opposite of what that kid did in the PA Carry Video… [/quote]

So I have a question for you since you are a LEO in my current state. Have you ever heard of or seen any of your fellow officers roughing up someone or using excessive force? Have your heard any of them talk about it in the locker room or telling a story about it in a social setting?

Also, have you ever had the fortune to interact with any officers from Prince Georges County in Maryland? Virginia is a big state, so perhaps you aren’t near the border and haven’t even heard of PG county, but if you have, would you share with us your impression and/or the reputation of that PD?

For the record, I have had a few interactions with the police in VA (Fairfax and Arlington) and they make the cops from MD look like amateurs. I’m not starting a beef with you, I’m a resident of your state asking an honest question.[/quote]

Sorry bub, I’m federal. I live in the southeastern part of the state, and the majority of the experience that I have with local agencies is cross training and seminars. I’ve been to PG County, but I’m not familiar with their PD. That being said I’m very familiar with how aggressive the local officers are here, and I’ve heard my share of stories. For the most part its just hearing who has the craziest story. One guy I was talking to yesterday was telling my about responding to a local call about this soldier who came back from overseas with a serious case of PTSD and killed his girlfriend. The police had him surrounded ( he was standing in a fountain of water up to his waist, so they couldn’t taze him) telling him to drop a knife. He proceeded to cut chunks of flesh out of his arm and throw it at the officers. The guys tried to close in on him, shot him with bean bags to try to get him to drop the knife, but it didn’t work. Finally they rushed him, but before they got to him he was able to stab himself multiple times and he died shortly thereafter. Fucking horror story man.

I’ve heard stories of, and witnessed excessive force firsthand. BUT 99% of the time it was due to negligence, not a power trip or hate. The officers were simply unsure or misinterpreted the Use Of Force guidelines and made a mistake… and paid for it after. Depending on the severity (and how publicized it was) the punishment was as simple as remedial training, to as severe as being fired or thrown in jail.