LEO Encounters and Complaints

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[quote]mapwhap wrote:
It may have already been said, but it probably bears repeating. BG was not under any obligation to answer the question. He politely declined. The officer should have just moved on, and either written the citation or not. I don’t know where he came up with the “hindering investigation” crap, cos up to that point, there wasn’t one.

More disappointing though, is the supervisor’s reaction. He obviously didn’t know what the hell he was talking about, either.

Shameful. As an LEO, it always irritates me when some rookie does something dumb. But…that’s what rookies do. They screw up. A dumb supervisor, though…that’s even worse. Cos now, who’s going to correct the original officer, and make sure he knows where the line is in the future?

One point that I don’t think has been made yet, though…there’s nothing wrong with the officer asking the question. If a person chooses to answer it, then great. If not, then just move it along. No need to get hung up on it.

Sorry bout your experience, BG. I was impressed with your letter, too. [/quote]

I “chose” to not answer it once and he put his hand on his gun and asked me to step out the car.

My guess is, those of you who don’t do shit like this are few and far between.

I feel disrepscted when some cop asks me as a grown man what I am doing out so late…as if I need to even have an answer. I’m a fucking adult. I am out so late because I want to be.

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[quote]dez6485 wrote:
Fuck it, I’ll concede the point. I want to be a cop, yes, and I’m working hard for it. I’ve had no training in the area, so I only have a civilian perspective, and I’m 25. I’ve been pulled over, sure. I’ve been asked “why you speeding” or probably even “where you (coming from/headed)” and not thought much of it. Fine, guess it’s something to consider.

To insult me and all that, say he hopes I don’t get the job, etc, like this guy did, he’s still a tool even if he is right.

Perhaps someone can clue me in on how to “unsubscribe” from this thread now? [/quote]

Hopefully you’ll remember this thread when you become a cop and not revert back to your original mindset. Hopefully…

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My 1st time getting pulled over. I was doing 30 in a 25 while I was in High School. I didn’t think much of it because pretty much everyone in the country does 5-10 miles an hour over the limit.

Cop: License and registration.
Me: OK. Can you tell me what I did wrong?
Cop: Speeding.
Me: Really? I was only doing 30.
Cop: Points my Calculus book in the back seat Speed limit is 25. You take calculus, do the math.

This really is the typical way cops talk to anyone under the age of 30 in New Jersey.

You argue like Bodyguard did, and they’ll fuck with you. Even if you’re in the right. I’m seriously surprised when the supervisor said “hammer him” that he didn’t write like a half dozen tickets. They do that just to see if you’ll pay them. You end up having to waste a day in court to get the nonsense ones thrown out.

If a cop asks me “where are coming from?”, I’ll comply. Mainly because I don’t want to spend the day in court getting “obstruction of view”, “improper license plate lighting” and a bunch of other nonsense tickets thrown out.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
What happened to “just do what they tell you”?

LOL.

I remember this being the normal advice to any minority back in the day as if the only reason they were getting pulled over and fucked with was because they all had bad attitudes and caused it.

Yeah, part of me is glad everyone else is waking up…but the rest of me just wonders what took so long.[/quote]

I can’t tell you how many times in the past 25 years Yo Daddy and I have been pulled over for no reason other than a black man has a white woman next to him. The cops routinely ask me if I’m OK. My usual answer is “This man is my husband. Maybe you should ask him if he’s OK!”

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
It may have already been said, but it probably bears repeating. BG was not under any obligation to answer the question. He politely declined. The officer should have just moved on, and either written the citation or not. I don’t know where he came up with the “hindering investigation” crap, cos up to that point, there wasn’t one.

More disappointing though, is the supervisor’s reaction. He obviously didn’t know what the hell he was talking about, either.

Shameful. As an LEO, it always irritates me when some rookie does something dumb. But…that’s what rookies do. They screw up. A dumb supervisor, though…that’s even worse. Cos now, who’s going to correct the original officer, and make sure he knows where the line is in the future?

One point that I don’t think has been made yet, though…there’s nothing wrong with the officer asking the question. If a person chooses to answer it, then great. If not, then just move it along. No need to get hung up on it.

Sorry bout your experience, BG. I was impressed with your letter, too. [/quote]

I “chose” to not answer it once and he put his hand on his gun and asked me to step out the car.

My guess is, those of you who don’t do shit like this are few and far between.

I feel disrepscted when some cop asks me as a grown man what I am doing out so late…as if I need to even have an answer. I’m a fucking adult. I am out so late because I want to be.[/quote]

Wait, so you say, “pimpin your hoes” would not be the correct response?

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
What happened to “just do what they tell you”?

LOL.

I remember this being the normal advice to any minority back in the day as if the only reason they were getting pulled over and fucked with was because they all had bad attitudes and caused it.

Yeah, part of me is glad everyone else is waking up…but the rest of me just wonders what took so long.[/quote]

I can’t tell you how many times in the past 25 years Yo Daddy and I have been pulled over for no reason other than a black man has a white woman next to him. The cops routinely ask me if I’m OK. My usual answer is “This man is my husband. Maybe you should ask him if he’s OK!”[/quote]

Haha Momma you never disappoint.

And for the record, your husband must have a very long fuse to not get mad at the cop…I know I would have a hard time not saying anything if I was in his shoes.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:
And for the record, your husband must have a very long fuse to not get mad at the cop…I know I would have a hard time not saying anything if I was in his shoes.[/quote]

He’s taken a few beatings from cops back in the day. Doesn’t make it any easier to keep quiet. But he can mumble “Honky-ass pig” under his breath, and make it sound like “Have a nice day.”

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
And for the record, your husband must have a very long fuse to not get mad at the cop…I know I would have a hard time not saying anything if I was in his shoes.[/quote]

He’s taken a few beatings from cops back in the day. Doesn’t make it any easier to keep quiet. But he can mumble “Honky-ass pig” under his breath, and make it sound like “Have a nice day.”[/quote]
Him too? I have that down to a science, poor white kid who grew up in the projects, I know from cops trying to abuse their power

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
under the 1st ammendment, you have every right to express yourself in anyway you choose. [/quote]

LOL[/quote]

yes, the 1st ammendment is funny. lol. try violating my liberties and we are going to have some major problems. bodybag problems, if you get what im saying.[/quote]

Sorry man, but the the 1st Amendment does not give you the right to “express yourself in anyway you choose.”

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BG, you just have to expect this when you don’t talk to police. They expect you to answer every question down to your dick size truthfully, so when someone who’s informed doesn’t answer them, they get pissed off.

I was pulled over a few months back for sitting in the front of the neighborhood with my lights off and engine running. Yes, I was doing “something” there, but I’m not about to incriminate myself on here. From the get go he asks “what I’m doing out here so late”, “why are my lights off”, “what are you really doing”. I probably said “I don’t have to answer that” 150 times that night in the 30 minutes I was detained and threatened. Apparently someone from the neighborhood called them about some cars racing in the back, which I overhead another officer say. But supposedly there was a string of break ins to cars the night prior and the cop “didn’t want me to get tangled up in that” as he was fishing for a confession.

Bottom line is, under no circumstances say anything besides “I don’t have to answer that”, “Am I being detained/arrested”, “May I leave?”, and “You do not have my permission to search me or my vehicle”. Hell, if a cop asks me if I’m a lawyer, I’ll just say “I don’t have to answer that question, sir.”, with the biggest shit eating grin on my face in an attempt to make him think I’m a cop, so he’ll leave me the hell alone.

Anyway BG, they’re trained to ask these questions and ask them again to see if you’re nervous or changing your story. You certainly don’t need to take it personally.

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[quote]Tyrant wrote:
BG, you just have to expect this when you don’t talk to police. They expect you to answer every question down to your dick size truthfully, so when someone who’s informed doesn’t answer them, they get pissed off.

I was pulled over a few months back for sitting in the front of the neighborhood with my lights off and engine running. Yes, I was doing “something” there, but I’m not about to incriminate myself on here. [/quote]

Back in my days as an escort agency driver we had one driver that was a freelance graphic illustrator.

When he was asked by an officer what he was doing in the middle of the night in a practically abandoned street he answered that he was drawing dwarfs.

Upon further inquiry by said LEO he was able to produce several dozens painted dwarfs to satisfy his curiostity.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Tyrant wrote:
BG, you just have to expect this when you don’t talk to police. They expect you to answer every question down to your dick size truthfully, so when someone who’s informed doesn’t answer them, they get pissed off.

I was pulled over a few months back for sitting in the front of the neighborhood with my lights off and engine running. Yes, I was doing “something” there, but I’m not about to incriminate myself on here. [/quote]

Back in my days as an escort agency driver we had one driver that was a freelance graphic illustrator.

When he was asked by an officer what he was doing in the middle of the night in a practically abandoned street he answered that he was drawing dwarfs.

Upon further inquiry by said LEO he was able to produce several dozens painted dwarfs to satisfy his curiostity.

[/quote]

LOL.

“I’m making protein shakes”

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So what happens if you tell him where you were coming from? you get a ticket and go on your way?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]dez6485 wrote:
I find this stupid. I’ve seen you go back and forth for a ridiculously long time in arguments, which I have no interest in doing with you. But seriously, how far are you willing to go to prove a point? You’ve got your wife/or kid’s mom and your kid in the car. If you’re honestly concerned about them, isn’t your best course of action to just comply with the request and get the hell out of there?

You act as if the officer did something ridiculous, like approached the car and asked the female to step out of the car. Something like that would be cause for objection. But you got yourself removed from the vehicle, requested a supervisor to the scene, etc, because you felt you were being violated asking where you’re coming from? Give me a fucking break.

“Hammer him”- agreed, fucking beyond stupid for the cop to say. Who knows what context that was meant in, either way, stupid.

But you refusing to answer where you were coming from because you feel your rights were being violated? How fucking on-edge and hot-headed do you have to be, so fucking wound up that your first reaction is to question his reasoning for asking, rather than just simply answering? Give me a break.

And let me save you the time- I’m in the process of applying/becoming a cop, so go ahead and dismiss what I’ve said.[/quote]

Oh good grief. Here comes another brick in the wall.[/quote]

Preach brother.

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[quote]dez6485 wrote:
3 posts directed at me, calling me names, insulting, and saying you hope I don’t make it in my career path. No, you’re not hot headed, my fault. Refusing to answer the cop and tell him where you were coming from- you’re right, if he wasn’t suspicious about something before, that certainly wouldn’t have made him suspicious. He should have just ignored it and wrote your ticket.

You are a tool. [/quote]

edited

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]dez6485 wrote:
3 posts directed at me, calling me names, insulting, and saying you hope I don’t make it in my career path. No, you’re not hot headed, my fault. Refusing to answer the cop and tell him where you were coming from- you’re right, if he wasn’t suspicious about something before, that certainly wouldn’t have made him suspicious. He should have just ignored it and wrote your ticket.

You are a tool. [/quote]

Again, what does where hes coming from have anything to do with why he was pulled over. and like he said, what happens if some crime occured where he just came from, that gives the cops probably cause to search your car. now talk about traumatizing his child.

it doesn’t matter if the cop gets suspicious if he refused to answer the question. nothing the cop can do. all he can do is write the ticket and leave. if he has no warrants out on him, what else can the cop do. just write you little ticket and be gone. [/quote]

He won’t answer the question because there is no intelligent retort. They do not have a right to know. The “debate” begins and ENDS there. There is NO debate.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, why didn’t you do exactly what the officer asked and then pursue recourse later? Isn’t that the advice you gave in the other thread?

I don’t see this as any different than the other thread. Officer who doesn’t know the law detaining someone and issuing commands out of that ignorance. Did you not have the duty to obey? If not, why?[/quote]

I knew you’d be along with your illogical bullshit. And I have an answer for you:

I was not knowingly baiting the law. My tail light was out. I didn’t have my recorder ready at hand and a refusal ready for him. As I stated to the Chief in my e-mail, if he had engaged me in some friendly and professional banter as opposed to the nazi-checkpoint act, I would have probably told him.

Next, I did not possess a weapon and I was not making a LEO with a weapon trained upon me nervous.

BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE. Remember when I said in the other thread I was starting to feel like I’ve given you too much credit? I’m decided; I have.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, why didn’t you do exactly what the officer asked and then pursue recourse later? Isn’t that the advice you gave in the other thread?

I don’t see this as any different than the other thread. Officer who doesn’t know the law detaining someone and issuing commands out of that ignorance. Did you not have the duty to obey? If not, why?[/quote]

Oh, and in the other case, the COP GAVE A LAWFUL ORDER AND IT WAS REFUSED.

I however refused no such order. I was not “ordered” to do anything. When I was asked to exit my vehicle, I did not put up some fuss. I immediately complied and kept my hands in plain view. I remained calm and polite.

I was asked a question that I was not obligated to answer. If you can’t understand the difference, I’m not sure what to tell you.

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[quote]meat1wad wrote:
So what happens if you tell him where you were coming from? you get a ticket and go on your way?[/quote]

In most cases, yes.

In some, you get tasered, beaten up, or jailed for life.

Anyhow, none of his business.

You may have to realize that there is a a certain logic to small risks that carry huge disadvantages.

Being honest to a police officer is a fools bet.

Nothing to gain, too much to lose.