[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
But way to ignore the following two links I posted and following up with a monster post filled with massive non relevance and putting words in my mouth I did not say.[/quote]
You are the one who has been ignoring basic economics. Which by the way was proven correct when it comes to an illegal drug being legalized. As I demonstrated with alcohol.
You also ignored my retort to the example that YOU gave regarding prescription drugs also being abused.
One more time, if something is legalized, legitimized and advertised more of it is sold. You just can’t seem to talk your way around that one can you? I demonstrated it to be true with alcohol as well.
Do you want to comment on that or do you just want to flare your lats and walk around like you have actually said something of importance?
You don’t have to say that “A” is acceptable if you want to legalize “B” which has similar ramifications. But you are not looking at the outcome of your irrational argument. You are only looking at the immediate effect “There sure will be less pot arrests…bla bla bla” No kidding. As my example above demonstrated. If you make something that should be illegal legal you will have less arrests for it. However, the long term ramifications (see making burglary legal above) are not worth the short term gain. These are not straw men they are examples of your faulty thinking.
Legalizing pot will lead to more traffic accidents and fatalities due to more use. I made that clear, yet I never said that YOU said it. But if you are for the one then the other will follow.
How dumb does someone have to be to think that legalization of pot would not lead to a serious up tick in traffic accidents and fatalities?
You are not saying that this would not occur you are far too smart to think that one would not lead to the other…RIGHT?
You claim that I am taking statistics out of context. Yet, I never once said anything about there not being more drivers on the road today than 70 years ago. What a foolish retort on your part. Obviously, there are more drivers on the road today. But that does not negate the fact that 340,000 of them died (over the past 10 years) due to alcohol does it?
If you are claiming that more died percentage wise when alcohol was illegal then you better post your stats. Is this your argument? If it is it’s a very poor one as you must know. And if it is not your argument then why did you even mention that my statistics are out of context?
Something tells me it’s much easier for you to create yet another straw man and imply that I am using statistics out of context. I guess that’s far easier than to try to defend a half baked notion like legalizing marijuana. You are good at throwing stuff out there but not so good at defending your position that is plain to see post after post!
You can’t keep up with me now my friend if I upped it any further you’d sound like a babbling retard.
For example, so far in this little debate of ours I have given you many reasons why pot should remain illegal. Some may agree or disagree but I have been to the point. You on the other hand have stated what exactly?
How many good reasons have you given for legalizing pot?
None.
In fact, you’ve only claimed that the crime rates would go down. An immediate effect that may very well happen. But a very short term view of the future negative consequences that await us around the corner should pot be legalized. As in my example above, 100,000 people die due to alcohol related occurrences PER YEAR. That far over shadows anything that could be done by the gangsters who ran the various boot leg operations. The same goes for pot. Yes, short term crime will go down. Long term however we are in for a horrible ride filled with far more cost and pain for our society aa I have pointed out with my examples.
But I do give you credit for throwing out at least one reason albeit feeble.
Now come on let us continue this debate by you telling us about all the good things that would happen if marijuana were legalized. What are all those good things? Surely you have a long list but for some reason you have not posted them yet. But you can do that now, I’ll wait.
[quote]But don’t sweat it, I know why you ignore what doesn’t agree with your world view. It’s all about society , baby. And control.
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I actually feel that it should be up to the states to decide what drug laws should be on the books. And while I do not agree with California’s more liberal take on pot I think they have that right.
But at the heart of my belief is not control it is a knowledge, from history, from the many economic examples that I have given you. Legalizing pot would only create more users. And more users creates more societal costs and problems, as I’ve pointed out many times in many ways. And you have failed to refute any of it!
History is on my side in this argument and I think you are smart enough to understand that.
But by all means cling to the popular notion that many young males (and a few old pot heads) want so badly to be true. No doubt you’re view is quite popular here on T Nation. Fortunately, not so popular with those who make such decisions and actually matter.
But yes, fire back my friend. But this time actually say something. Bolster your point with historical facts, solid examples and economic references…like I did!
