When you enter into a black market contract of any kind, it goes without saying that you forfeit the protection of law.
Latest update from Profootbaltalk.com…He was told she was nineteen and it doesen’t matter, if he fucked her he is fucked, blunt but true.
[quote]iflyboats wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
What does that have to do with the statement hookers ‘forfeit their right to cry rape’?
You should read before you post. [/quote]
I didn’t say that a hooker forfeits the moral right to remain free from sexual assault. I’m saying that, when anyone enters into an illegal contract of any kind, he forfeits the protection of law. [/quote]
So if a drug dealer gets killed the murderer does not get prosecuted?
And to clarify. I recognize that the entire situation with LT is shady as hell. However, it is the idea that a prostitute has no rights that makes them a prime target for rape to begin with. Yes, it is an occupational hazard and I am not going to explore the mental/emotional issues that leads a person into that “profession”.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Kerley wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Curious to hear from the Lawyers on this site. If it is proven that LT paid for sex then was it consensual in the eyes of the law? Burden of proof for rape will be very difficult unless she had rape exam done soon after etc. He is still a dumbass with issues if at his age he is still trying to bump uglies with someone that young looking. [/quote]
you would think a guy like him could get hotter older chicks that he didnt have to pay![/quote]
Well that is what makes me think he is quilty for child molesting type activity, he ordered a very young hooker. To quote from the movie Waterboy, “Dont smoke crack”. [/quote]
yes, quite true.
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
So if a drug dealer gets killed the murderer does not get prosecuted?[/quote]
No, but if a drug dealer gets his stash robbed, does the stickup kid get prosecuted? Is rape more akin to murder in this situation or robbery of the “service” that this prostitute usually provides?
If a girl is being pimped… is the sex ever truly consensual?
Lots of grey area here. Just a sad situation and unfortunately I have known people in these types of situations. There really is no right answer. You just hope that somehow, somebody can help them break the cycle, but unfortunately, for 95% of people like the girl in question, there’s going to be a lot more people looking to take advantage of her then looking to help.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Unless it’s a rape fantasy, guys don’t pay 300 dollars to have some girl sit lifeless, or crying or screaming get off me while you have sex.[/quote]
what? of course some guys do that![/quote]
Ask any married guy. You pay bills then bed your wife ughh.
Does everyone realize that no one is even accusing LT of forcing the girl to have sex with him?
Like Rocky2 said, he is being accused of having CONSENTUAL sex with a 16 year old. This is still obviously wrong, legally and morally, but it is an important distinction to understand. Theres a big difference between grabbing a girl off the street at gunpoint, and having consentual sex with someone that is 16.
And if the pimp put the girl in alot of makeup and dressed her older on purpose, who knows? Could have looked 21 or so, we won’t see what she looks like.
And I watched the police press confrence. While they didn’t outright say so, it seemed like they didn’t believe LT was the one who hit her, it was the pimp. This whole thing could just as easily be an attempted scam on the part of a pimp and hooker. Or it could be true.
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
[quote]Kerley wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Unless it’s a rape fantasy, guys don’t pay 300 dollars to have some girl sit lifeless, or crying or screaming get off me while you have sex.[/quote]
what? of course some guys do that![/quote]
Ask any married guy. You pay bills then bed your wife ughh.[/quote]
you make marriage sound depressing!
[quote]Kerley wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
[quote]Kerley wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Unless it’s a rape fantasy, guys don’t pay 300 dollars to have some girl sit lifeless, or crying or screaming get off me while you have sex.[/quote]
what? of course some guys do that![/quote]
Ask any married guy. You pay bills then bed your wife ughh.[/quote]
you make marriage sound depressing![/quote]
It is.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
So if a drug dealer gets killed the murderer does not get prosecuted?[/quote]
No, but if a drug dealer gets his stash robbed, does the stickup kid get prosecuted? Is rape more akin to murder in this situation or robbery of the “service” that this prostitute usually provides?
If a girl is being pimped… is the sex ever truly consensual?
Lots of grey area here. Just a sad situation and unfortunately I have known people in these types of situations. There really is no right answer. You just hope that somehow, somebody can help them break the cycle, but unfortunately, for 95% of people like the girl in question, there’s going to be a lot more people looking to take advantage of her then looking to help.[/quote]
Good point. I would say that the violent nature of rape would make it comparable to murder, but I get what you are saying about “theft of services”.
A dealer who moves a lot of product wouldn’t report theft, but if I was holding a small amount, got robbed and then got the shit kicked out of me, I might be willing to admit to the police that I was holding in order to prosecute whoever attacked me. (admittedly not a great analogy, but you get the point).
As directly related to the case against LT, I was listening to a legal analyst on the radio this morning and he said that in this case the “John” will probably get a harsher punishment because of who he is. It was stated that in a normal situation where a John has sex with a minor the DA would cut a deal with him to get to the pimp. There would be a minor scandal, but the John would get a lessened sentence or possibly just put on probation. I don’t know whether this will happen with LT.
It is also very difficult to form an opinion when it seems like new “information” is constantly being released and rarely fact checked. You can never be positive if what you are reading/hearing has been proven or is just some random person’s postulating in a blog. The entire situation does not make any sense.
If the pimp or the girl were trying to extort money from LT, why go to the cops immediately? Wouldn’t the demand be, “pay up or we are telling”? Was the pimp/friend trying to set LT up for something? Did the girl recognize the situation for what it was; a big media story that would get her free of her pimp? Or did LT have sex with a prostitute who was beaten up (I’m willing to bet the bruises would hide her age better than any make-up could). Alas, the world may never know.
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]Kerley wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
[quote]Kerley wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Unless it’s a rape fantasy, guys don’t pay 300 dollars to have some girl sit lifeless, or crying or screaming get off me while you have sex.[/quote]
what? of course some guys do that![/quote]
Ask any married guy. You pay bills then bed your wife ughh.[/quote]
you make marriage sound depressing![/quote]
It is.
[/quote]
Fuck you asstard. If you’re depressed you’d be depressed whether you’re married or not.
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
So if a drug dealer gets killed the murderer does not get prosecuted?[/quote]
No, but if a drug dealer gets his stash robbed, does the stickup kid get prosecuted? Is rape more akin to murder in this situation or robbery of the “service” that this prostitute usually provides?
If a girl is being pimped… is the sex ever truly consensual?
Lots of grey area here. Just a sad situation and unfortunately I have known people in these types of situations. There really is no right answer. You just hope that somehow, somebody can help them break the cycle, but unfortunately, for 95% of people like the girl in question, there’s going to be a lot more people looking to take advantage of her then looking to help.[/quote]
Good point. I would say that the violent nature of rape would make it comparable to murder, but I get what you are saying about “theft of services”.
A dealer who moves a lot of product wouldn’t report theft, but if I was holding a small amount, got robbed and then got the shit kicked out of me, I might be willing to admit to the police that I was holding in order to prosecute whoever attacked me. (admittedly not a great analogy, but you get the point).
As directly related to the case against LT, I was listening to a legal analyst on the radio this morning and he said that in this case the “John” will probably get a harsher punishment because of who he is. It was stated that in a normal situation where a John has sex with a minor the DA would cut a deal with him to get to the pimp. There would be a minor scandal, but the John would get a lessened sentence or possibly just put on probation. I don’t know whether this will happen with LT.
It is also very difficult to form an opinion when it seems like new “information” is constantly being released and rarely fact checked. You can never be positive if what you are reading/hearing has been proven or is just some random person’s postulating in a blog. The entire situation does not make any sense.
If the pimp or the girl were trying to extort money from LT, why go to the cops immediately? Wouldn’t the demand be, “pay up or we are telling”? Was the pimp/friend trying to set LT up for something? Did the girl recognize the situation for what it was; a big media story that would get her free of her pimp? Or did LT have sex with a prostitute who was beaten up (I’m willing to bet the bruises would hide her age better than any make-up could). Alas, the world may never know. [/quote]
Nobody knows but what does happen alot. Is a person(woman in this case) gets beat and has to explain it. Let’s say at a hospital or something. When they’re are either emotional or don’t want to snitch they will start with a small lie that turns huge.
She had bruises from the morning, if they were bad enough that a cop saw it or she had to go to the hospital what is she going to say? A popular lie is date rape or somebody raped her… then the windstorm of questions come in and your bound to get caught up in it.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]EurekaBulldogLaw wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
[quote]iflyboats wrote:
I think if you’re hooker, you pretty much forfeit the right to cry rape.[/quote]
Have you ever seen Leaving Las Vegas? I can’t even think about the scene with Elisabeth Shue without cringing.
I can sort of see where you are coming from as the line can get a bit blurry. However, even if she is a prostitute she still should have the right to refuse just like anybody else who offers a service.
[/quote]
Shame people can’t view others, no matter what their position in life, with empathy.
I wouldn’t wish rape on anyone and, even if the scales would be tipped against a prostitute’s favor in court, I don’t see why they don’t have the right to report it.[/quote]
Sad indeed. I guess to some folks rape and sex are the same thing.[/quote]
Or maybe they think telling the truth and credibility are the same thing.
When a girls original story is she’s calling her uncle and LT’s friend brings her to the room, then you find out LT’s friend is actually your pimp, and you really just told you uncle you boned LT things start to change. Having regret or thinking you can get over is not the same thing as Rape. Women have a way of having tunnel vision when they hear the word rape.
Unless it’s a rape fantasy, guys don’t pay 300 dollars to have some girl sit lifeless, or crying or screaming get off me while you have sex.[/quote]
Did you read the article?
It is statutory rape, this is charge not brought by the girl, but by the District Attorney due to the girl’s age.
Stop looking for a conspiracy. She was beaten before being brought to the hotel room. Did you ever think that after the beating that was why she called her uncle and that it had nothing to do with LT? That she got tired of being beaten and pimped out and had enough and called home for help out of the situation.
[quote]iflyboats wrote:
When you enter into a black market contract of any kind, it goes without saying that you forfeit the protection of law. [/quote]
Not entirely true. You do not waive your right to be protected from physical, emotional or mental harm. You may lose proceeds or property, but never the right to have your person protected under the law.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
So if a drug dealer gets killed the murderer does not get prosecuted?[/quote]
No, but if a drug dealer gets his stash robbed, does the stickup kid get prosecuted? Is rape more akin to murder in this situation or robbery of the “service” that this prostitute usually provides?
If a girl is being pimped… is the sex ever truly consensual?
Lots of grey area here. Just a sad situation and unfortunately I have known people in these types of situations. There really is no right answer. You just hope that somehow, somebody can help them break the cycle, but unfortunately, for 95% of people like the girl in question, there’s going to be a lot more people looking to take advantage of her then looking to help.[/quote]
Good point. I would say that the violent nature of rape would make it comparable to murder, but I get what you are saying about “theft of services”.
A dealer who moves a lot of product wouldn’t report theft, but if I was holding a small amount, got robbed and then got the shit kicked out of me, I might be willing to admit to the police that I was holding in order to prosecute whoever attacked me. (admittedly not a great analogy, but you get the point).
As directly related to the case against LT, I was listening to a legal analyst on the radio this morning and he said that in this case the “John” will probably get a harsher punishment because of who he is. It was stated that in a normal situation where a John has sex with a minor the DA would cut a deal with him to get to the pimp. There would be a minor scandal, but the John would get a lessened sentence or possibly just put on probation. I don’t know whether this will happen with LT.
It is also very difficult to form an opinion when it seems like new “information” is constantly being released and rarely fact checked. You can never be positive if what you are reading/hearing has been proven or is just some random person’s postulating in a blog. The entire situation does not make any sense.
If the pimp or the girl were trying to extort money from LT, why go to the cops immediately? Wouldn’t the demand be, “pay up or we are telling”? Was the pimp/friend trying to set LT up for something? Did the girl recognize the situation for what it was; a big media story that would get her free of her pimp? Or did LT have sex with a prostitute who was beaten up (I’m willing to bet the bruises would hide her age better than any make-up could). Alas, the world may never know. [/quote]
Nobody knows but what does happen alot. Is a person(woman in this case) gets beat and has to explain it. Let’s say at a hospital or something. When they’re are either emotional or don’t want to snitch they will start with a small lie that turns huge.
She had bruises from the morning, if they were bad enough that a cop saw it or she had to go to the hospital what is she going to say? A popular lie is date rape or somebody raped her… then the windstorm of questions come in and your bound to get caught up in it.[/quote]
You really didn’t read the article.
I just want to post the relevant parts. This is from CNN
(CNN) – The man accused of bringing an under-age prostitute to ex-NFL player Lawrence Taylor told her to lie about her age, prosecutors alleged in a federal complaint against the man on Friday.
The complaint says the alleged pimp, Rasheed Davis, told a 16-year-old prostitute to tell a “Client-1” that she was 19. The federal complaint against Davis does not refer to the former New York Giants linebacker by name, but the description of “Client-1” matches that of Taylor in the complaint against him.
The rape charges filed against Taylor on Thursday are based on the allegation that he had sexual intercourse with a minor – someone younger than 17.
. . . . . (rest of the story at the above link)
So they are trying to charge him with banging a hooker he paid after she lied about her age? Thats what I’m gathering so far.
is it rape or shoplifting?
Black man can’t catch a break
That’s right I played that card