I don’t personally lean back. I’m not saying its wrong; in fact, I’m willing to concede there may be some benefit to it. I will say that when I tried it I felt like I was cheating, but that’s neither here no there.
But I stay erect and try to pull to the middle of the chest. My first few reps I am able to do this, but when I’m going to failure I generally am only getting it to the chin. I vary the grip from wide overhand to narrow underhand.
I have built a strong back from doing pull-downs and rows, but I rarely get sore from doing them anymore. If I want to feel it the next day, I have to go to the pull-up bar.
this whole dont pull with your biceps thing is silly. why not add 20 more lbs and use your arm flexors too so you can overload the top of the movement, where it’s 90% lats
You can ask someone to sligthly push your elbows up while you try to pull them down, in order to pull more with your lats than with your biceps. I do it when teaching beginners to do pull down: it works.
[quote]schultzie wrote:
this whole dont pull with your biceps thing is silly. why not add 20 more lbs and use your arm flexors too so you can overload the top of the movement, where it’s 90% lats[/quote]
Hey, when you get to a certain amount of weight your biceps are going to be working no matter what, and so I do use some bicep involvment in this movement.
Point is if you feel this more in your biceps than back you obviously are fucking up. Might as well put the movement in arm day. There is a proper way to train back and a proper way to train biceps. I use lat pull downs for my back…Just saying.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
schultzie wrote:
this whole dont pull with your biceps thing is silly. why not add 20 more lbs and use your arm flexors too so you can overload the top of the movement, where it’s 90% lats
Hey, when you get to a certain amount of weight your biceps are going to be working no matter what, and so I do use some bicep involvment in this movement.
Point is if you feel this more in your biceps than back you obviously are fucking up. Might as well put the movement in arm day. There is a proper way to train back and a proper way to train biceps. I use lat pull downs for my back…Just saying.[/quote]
Are you crazy? I use pulldowns for my biceps and curls for my back.
[quote]Der Candy wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
schultzie wrote:
this whole dont pull with your biceps thing is silly. why not add 20 more lbs and use your arm flexors too so you can overload the top of the movement, where it’s 90% lats
Hey, when you get to a certain amount of weight your biceps are going to be working no matter what, and so I do use some bicep involvment in this movement.
Point is if you feel this more in your biceps than back you obviously are fucking up. Might as well put the movement in arm day. There is a proper way to train back and a proper way to train biceps. I use lat pull downs for my back…Just saying.
Are you crazy? I use pulldowns for my biceps and curls for my back.[/quote]
That certainly seems to be the norm here
if you can’t flare your lats at will, nothing you do will achieve much of anything as far as your lats as concerned. Get the mind muscle connection. Stat.
The stretch portion is the most important…how low you go depends on your geometry and how you’re built and how much you need to lean depending on your weight vis-a-vis the weight youre pulling.
the answers have been varied, so i’m just going to focus on “stretching” the lats and really feeling them working…even if it means I have to lower the weight
and whatever form lets me feel it the most in the lats, i will use that.
