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[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]postholedigger wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
weird that americans are all so obsessed with guns.
seems to be a constant number of crazies throughout the year going on shooting sprees.
yet all you get is old haggard roid heads like push harder posting endless BS about defending himself like some crazed paranoid whack job.
in civilised developed nations NO ONE has this paranoia or always insists on being “strapped” while going to buy a carton of eggs or whatever.
it is really really weird.[/quote]
I don’t know what country you’re from, but chances are good that America has bailed you out from being overtaken at some point. Let me know how our balls taste in your mouth. [/quote]
lol wtf are you talking about???
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You’ve commented on Americans’ alleged obsession with guns. I want to know how it feels being that America has probably saved your country at some point, using aforementioned guns.
My real beef with your statement is that you’ve taken Americans’ “obsession” with guns out of historical context.
Imagine, for a second, that you’re country is being oppressed by a dictator. Then, imagine for a second, that the only reason you were able to stop this oppression is because you had armed citizens fight and die to defend the freedom your country deserves.
Think of the magnitude of all that and then tell me you wouldn’t have a vested interested in keeping your people armed and protecting the right (which is in our constitution) of your people to bear arms.
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tl; dr
there are crazies going on shooting sprees in the US very regularly
why you try to make a link between US military strength or some other COMPLETELY FUCKING IRRELEVANT points is beyond me
people being armed to the teeth while walking around is ridiculous and unnecessary
as stated it is literally baffling to other developed civilised societies it is up there with other stone age shit like women wearing burkas in saudi arabia etc
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May I ask where you are from?[/quote]
If I recall correctly, he’s from the country that currently plays the most boring style of soccer (ahem…“football”) in the history of soccer (ahem…“football”).[/quote]
wtf? dunno what this even means i will take a guess - you think i am from spain? wrong, im not.
if so - LOL at you considering spain to be the most boring team currently playing soccer. i would give ten reasons why you are totally wrong but whats the point when you are so clearly clueless, just a waste of my time to do so. [/quote]
Whoa… easy, my capitalizationally challenged friend. I was just poking fun at your well known, rabid support for Spain’s uber-exciting game strategy.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
The only one who I can see as being not in the situation, is the fiance, but he is collateral damage, the same as a child in the same house as a “terrorist suspect” that YOU kill every time a drone strike is launched…
So yes, I don’t get why it is OK for you to authorize on your behalf, men to kill innocent children because they reside in the same house as someone who dislikes us and may or may not be plotting to attack us.
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Seriously bro, what are you even talking about?[/quote]
Orion understands it, I sense he is frustrated at having tried to explain it numerous times to be met with blank stares (in real life) of cool story bro’s in internet life.
I will do my best to help you understand my point, but it is going to take some time for me to get the required materials together. There are a couple short videos which illustrate what I wish to tell you in a much clearer manner than I will be able to with the written word.
V
[quote]Chushin wrote:
I guess bigotry knows no boundaries!
“Whatevs,” as the kids these days say; just leave the US out of your attacks.[/quote]
Typical American. Has no problem attacking who ever they want, but as soon as anything attacks them it’s all crying and taking their ball to go. Poor most powerful, “free”, “best” country in the world. Yeah, you’re THAT country.
Double post…and in the spirit of the thread.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Ok so anyone who thinks that people who think like that should be locked up, then those people also wish we were still under british rule? I don’t get it?
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You obviously don’t get it.
You said that “you don’t see why people are bashing this guy.”
“This guy” who murdered three people who were not even involved in his situation and shot two others.
You don’t see why people are bashing someone like that?[/quote]
The only one who I can see as being not in the situation, is the fiance, but he is collateral damage, the same as a child in the same house as a “terrorist suspect” that YOU kill every time a drone strike is launched. The guy is fighting a corrupt system, did you read his manifesto? Every cop who didn’t report someone, who turned a blind eye to keep with the “blue line” code or whatever, they are all part of the problem. I’m sure he has personal anger towards certain individuals, hence the deliberate attach on the family member of the guy who oversaw his termination hearing.
So yes, I don’t get why it is OK for you to authorize on your behalf, men to kill innocent children because they reside in the same house as someone who dislikes us and may or may not be plotting to attack us. Yet can’t believe another human being would employ the same tactics. Governments rise and fall, societies wax and wane, the only true thing in this world is what an individual man will do when he realizes he is actually a free man.
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You are certifiably nuts. If everything he said in that manifesto is 100 percent true the bottom line is he just lost his job. JUST LOST HIS FUCKING JOB! This is not a case where one goes out and fights for justice even at the expense of innocent lives. This is a case where one goes out, gets another job and goes on with their lives. If they want to make a hobby out of it they can try to get their story out to the public, maybe even write a book. Not fucking kill people.
I read that manifesto and I read the cops side of the story. I’m not predisposed to siding with the cops, not by a long shot. I find the cops side of the story more plausible. The guy was a bad cop and his complaint against the training officer was purely a preemptive strike because he knew she was going to write him up.
In the most favorable light for Dorner he’s killing innocent people over losing his job. Not only that, police work is a mediocre career as far as careers go and he’s a guy with a college degree. Losing that job might easily have been a favor to him if he had applied himself in a constructive manner.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
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I am having a discussion with Vegita, please keep your anti America butthurt out.
Thanks.[/quote]
LMAO.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Ok so anyone who thinks that people who think like that should be locked up, then those people also wish we were still under british rule? I don’t get it?
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You obviously don’t get it.
You said that “you don’t see why people are bashing this guy.”
“This guy” who murdered three people who were not even involved in his situation and shot two others.
You don’t see why people are bashing someone like that?[/quote]
The only one who I can see as being not in the situation, is the fiance, but he is collateral damage, the same as a child in the same house as a “terrorist suspect” that YOU kill every time a drone strike is launched. The guy is fighting a corrupt system, did you read his manifesto? Every cop who didn’t report someone, who turned a blind eye to keep with the “blue line” code or whatever, they are all part of the problem. I’m sure he has personal anger towards certain individuals, hence the deliberate attach on the family member of the guy who oversaw his termination hearing.
So yes, I don’t get why it is OK for you to authorize on your behalf, men to kill innocent children because they reside in the same house as someone who dislikes us and may or may not be plotting to attack us. Yet can’t believe another human being would employ the same tactics. Governments rise and fall, societies wax and wane, the only true thing in this world is what an individual man will do when he realizes he is actually a free man.
V[/quote]
You are certifiably nuts. If everything he said in that manifesto is 100 percent true the bottom line is he just lost his job. JUST LOST HIS FUCKING JOB! This is not a case where one goes out and fights for justice even at the expense of innocent lives. This is a case where one goes out, gets another job and goes on with their lives. If they want to make a hobby out of it they can try to get their story out to the public, maybe even write a book. Not fucking kill people.
I read that manifesto and I read the cops side of the story. I’m not predisposed to siding with the cops, not by a long shot. I find the cops side of the story more plausible. The guy was a bad cop and his complaint against the training officer was purely a preemptive strike because he knew she was going to write him up.
In the most favorable light for Dorner he’s killing innocent people over losing his job. Not only that, police work is a mediocre career as far as careers go and he’s a guy with a college degree. Losing that job might easily have been a favor to him if he had applied himself in a constructive manner.
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You kill innocent people every day. IMO you are the certifiable one. At least I understand how the system works and speak and vote and write against it. I am not “nuts” because I have not taken to arms, I still believe the system could be changed peacefully. Unfortunately, more and more people do not believe so anymore, and then they act. That so many of you cannot even see what is really going on, leaves me with little hope. Just wait till next year when people start getting tossed in jail for not buying “Obamacare”.
V
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
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I am having a discussion with Vegita, please keep your anti America butthurt out.
Thanks.[/quote]
No, he is trying to have a discussion, you are trying to masturbate while being blindfolded.
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I’m sure Vegita can speak for himself, seeing as how he’s been doing that so far in our discussion.
Again, keep your America bashing butthurtedness at bay as best you can please.
Masturbating blindfolded? That would be way too easy bro.
[quote]kothreat wrote:
Double post…and in the spirit of the thread.[/quote]
How original. You Sir, are an uncouth ass.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
The police shooting two innocent people in a car that looks like his is far worse than anything he has done. If he hadn’t killed the family of the one officer I would legitimately call him a hero. It’s a little more ambiguous now but I can seriously say I hope this ends with as many dead LAPD officers as possible. [/quote]
So shooting and wounding two people is worse than killing three people?[/quote]
Oh your advanced logic skills have proved too much i guess I can’t come up with a response. Oh wait…
Shooting two INNOCENT people with nothing to do with the situation when you are a police officer who is supposed to PROTECT AND SERVE. not shoot while you’re delivering fucking papers. That is much worse. I support his actions besides the killing of Quan’s family members. The fact that the LAPD just drove around shooting cars that looked like his prove what a bunch of power hungry fascists they are.
This is also a perfect example of why the American public needs to be armed, when you have holier than thou cops abusing their power and shooting civilians, said civilians need to be able to defend themselves.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
I defend anyone who speaks truth to power. With the current information I have, I am far more inclined to believe Dorners side of things than a known corrupt and oppressive police unit.
All you screaming about how bad this dude is for killing an innocent by standard. Let me please see all your letters to congress, the president, and the SCOTUS demanding that we stop the drone program because it kills innocent poeple on a daily fucking basis IN YOUR NAME. And unless you are out there actively trying to stop the evil done in your name, you had better not speak so certainly about how someone else decides to dish out their own evil. Glass houses and all.
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My thoughts exactly. People are sheep and believe whatever the powers that be do is right and just.
[quote]kothreat wrote:
Double post…and in the spirit of the thread.
If this was another site I would rep you right now.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Ok so anyone who thinks that people who think like that should be locked up, then those people also wish we were still under british rule? I don’t get it?
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You obviously don’t get it.
You said that “you don’t see why people are bashing this guy.”
“This guy” who murdered three people who were not even involved in his situation and shot two others.
You don’t see why people are bashing someone like that?[/quote]
The only one who I can see as being not in the situation, is the fiance, but he is collateral damage, the same as a child in the same house as a “terrorist suspect” that YOU kill every time a drone strike is launched. The guy is fighting a corrupt system, did you read his manifesto? Every cop who didn’t report someone, who turned a blind eye to keep with the “blue line” code or whatever, they are all part of the problem. I’m sure he has personal anger towards certain individuals, hence the deliberate attach on the family member of the guy who oversaw his termination hearing.
So yes, I don’t get why it is OK for you to authorize on your behalf, men to kill innocent children because they reside in the same house as someone who dislikes us and may or may not be plotting to attack us. Yet can’t believe another human being would employ the same tactics. Governments rise and fall, societies wax and wane, the only true thing in this world is what an individual man will do when he realizes he is actually a free man.
V[/quote]
You are certifiably nuts. If everything he said in that manifesto is 100 percent true the bottom line is he just lost his job. JUST LOST HIS FUCKING JOB!
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If 100% of what he said is true this is something that should concern all citizens of the United States. Re-read the manifesto.
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
I support his actions besides the killing of Quan’s family members.
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So you support him shooting 3 police officers who weren’t involved in his situation at all & beating up, kidnapping (not quote sure of it would be classofied as that or npt?) and robbing an 80 year old man that also had nothing to do with his situation?
You know this^^ is not what happened right? No one was driving around shooting cara that looked like his.
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This is also a perfect example of why the American public needs to be armed… civilians need to be able to defend themselves. [/quote]
^^totally agree.
This thread is definitely being moved to the graveyard of PWI to die soon.
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Oh your advanced logic skills have proved too much i guess I can’t come up with a response. Oh wait…
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lol, how old are you?
Advanced logic skills?
Knowing that murdering 3 people, shooting two others, assaulting/robbing and 80 year old man is worse than shooting two people doesn’t require “advanced logic.” lol
[quote]gregron wrote:
assaulting/robbing and 80 year old man[/quote]
I haven’t heard anything about this yet. When did this happen?
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
assaulting/robbing and 80 year old man[/quote]
I haven’t heard anything about this yet. When did this happen?[/quote]
He attempted to boat jack this old mans yacht down here in San Diego.
Roughed him up, tied him up but then apparently got a line caught up in the prop or something and had to ditch the boat and leave.