ICE is now saying they may not necessarily process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona officials.
If Obama tries to undo this law, he will have sealed his fate in 2012. With a national approval of the law floating around 60-65%, he will be more fucked than he already is.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
ICE is now saying they may not necessarily process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona officials.
If Obama tries to undo this law, he will have sealed his fate in 2012. With a national approval of the law floating around 60-65%, he will be more fucked than he already is. [/quote]
The Obama spin machine is no longer working. I applaud AZ for making the bill 6 pages long, unlike Obamacares 2500 pages or however long it ended up. No one can say it takes 3 days and two lawyers to interprete the AZ law. Good job AZ.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
ICE is now saying they may not necessarily process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona officials.
If Obama tries to undo this law, he will have sealed his fate in 2012. With a national approval of the law floating around 60-65%, he will be more fucked than he already is. [/quote]
The Obama spin machine is no longer working. I applaud AZ for making the bill 6 pages long, unlike Obamacares 2500 pages or however long it ended up. No one can say it takes 3 days and two lawyers to interprete the AZ law. Good job AZ.[/quote]
It could be one page long, it will still be too lengthy, too racist, too misguided, too much in offense to Calderon, etc.
There really isn’t much more that can be said about this, other than you know what to do when elections come.
I don’t even have words for how retarded this is.
How the FUCK can people be SO protective of ILLEGAL immigrants??? That’s not to mention the retardation of the concern for “racial profiling”. No shit they’re gonna be checking mexicans’ status as legal or not…THEY ARE THE ONES ILLEGALLY IMMIGRATING!!!
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I don’t even have words for how retarded this is.
How the FUCK can people be SO protective of ILLEGAL immigrants??? That’s not to mention the retardation of the concern for “racial profiling”. No shit they’re gonna be checking mexicans’ status as legal or not…THEY ARE THE ONES ILLEGALLY IMMIGRATING!!! [/quote]
Exactly. If this was taking place on our northern borders, then hell there wouldnt be any shit goin on through the media. But when its a minority, oh hell this is just pure racist. Dumb liberal move. Its their only way of making this look bad
[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I don’t even have words for how retarded this is.
How the FUCK can people be SO protective of ILLEGAL immigrants??? That’s not to mention the retardation of the concern for “racial profiling”. No shit they’re gonna be checking mexicans’ status as legal or not…THEY ARE THE ONES ILLEGALLY IMMIGRATING!!! [/quote]
Exactly. If this was taking place on our northern borders, then hell there wouldnt be any shit goin on through the media. But when its a minority, oh hell this is just pure racist. Dumb liberal move. Its their only way of making this look bad[/quote]
If we had a president with some balls and a backbone, we would not be dealing with this. Honest to God, no other country puts up with this shit.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I don’t even have words for how retarded this is.
How the FUCK can people be SO protective of ILLEGAL immigrants??? That’s not to mention the retardation of the concern for “racial profiling”. No shit they’re gonna be checking mexicans’ status as legal or not…THEY ARE THE ONES ILLEGALLY IMMIGRATING!!! [/quote]
hungry4more, I think you are in the military aren’t you? Thank you for your service, which unfortunately at this moment is also protecting the rights of illegal border jumpers.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
If Obama tries to undo this law, he will have sealed his fate in 2012. With a national approval of the law floating around 60-65%, he will be more fucked than he already is. [/quote]
Can you vote? Just curious - I may have you confused with someone else.
Just to clarify… the illegal immigration problem was worse under Bush, before the economy went into the toilet. Just like the Tea Party rallies (that never happened when Bush was president) the Arizona law is all about partisan politics - the governor is facing a tough reelection so she’s playing to her base.
Also, the reason the AZ bill offends so many people is NOT because illegal Mexicans will be targetted and forced to show their documentation… it’s because legal Mexican American citizens will be targeted as well, and there are millions of them. Like pornography (I know it when I see it) the new law leaves too much discretion up to individual police officers and is way too vague, to be constitutional.
Constitutional… you know, that thing that Right Wingers pretend to care so much about when it’s convenient. IMO the new law is not going to cut it. We’ll see.
Anyway, AZ doesn’t have the resources to put any teeth into the law - they already asked the federal government for money to train officers (so much for states being independent of the smothering federal octopus). Arizona can’t pay their own way. AZ can’t enforce the law equally - they do not have the money or the manpower. And the new law makes law enforcement subject to lawsuits if they dont enforce the law. AZ pretty much shot themselves in the foot with this, and it will be funny if they have to backtrack this because it’s bankrupting them.
The reason Obama hasn’t tackled immigration yet is the same reason Bush never tackled it - because none of the solutions are very satisfying, and all of the solutions are guaranteed to piss off one large segment of society or another.
[quote]K2000 wrote:
The reason Obama hasn’t tackled immigration yet is the same reason Bush never tackled it - because none of the solutions are very satisfying, and all of the solutions are guaranteed to piss off one large segment of society or another.[/quote]
Remaining to be a pussy on the issue shows a total lack of true leadership, be it Bush or anyone else.
The funny thing, is Obama is pissing off the LARGER segments of the US in most policy he puts out there. To me, it seems he asks 1 question to himself …“What will piss of the majority of America the most?” before he makes a decision and goes with that one.
Hell, he has divided this country like never before, so he should have no problem doing this, and we know his solution is not to enforce the border. He stated a few days ago “The US is no longer defined by it’s borders” when he paraded Mexicos pres in Congress for the purpose to shame Americans and Arizona.
70-75% of US Citizens want strict reform to ENFORCE existing laws. Who or what segment of our society will this really piss of then? La Razza…which is owed a huge favor by Obama…
[quote]K2000 wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
If Obama tries to undo this law, he will have sealed his fate in 2012. With a national approval of the law floating around 60-65%, he will be more fucked than he already is. [/quote]
Can you vote? Just curious - I may have you confused with someone else.
Just to clarify… the illegal immigration problem was worse under Bush, before the economy went into the toilet. Just like the Tea Party rallies (that never happened when Bush was president) the Arizona law is all about partisan politics - the governor is facing a tough reelection so she’s playing to her base.
Also, the reason the AZ bill offends so many people is NOT because illegal Mexicans will be targetted and forced to show their documentation… it’s because legal Mexican American citizens will be targeted as well, and there are millions of them. Like pornography (I know it when I see it) the new law leaves too much discretion up to individual police officers and is way too vague, to be constitutional.
Constitutional… you know, that thing that Right Wingers pretend to care so much about when it’s convenient. IMO the new law is not going to cut it. We’ll see.
Anyway, AZ doesn’t have the resources to put any teeth into the law - they already asked the federal government for money to train officers (so much for states being independent of the smothering federal octopus). Arizona can’t pay their own way. AZ can’t enforce the law equally - they do not have the money or the manpower. And the new law makes law enforcement subject to lawsuits if they dont enforce the law. AZ pretty much shot themselves in the foot with this, and it will be funny if they have to backtrack this because it’s bankrupting them.
The reason Obama hasn’t tackled immigration yet is the same reason Bush never tackled it - because none of the solutions are very satisfying, and all of the solutions are guaranteed to piss off one large segment of society or another.[/quote]
Yes I can vote, why would you think I could not vote?
Yes, Mexicans will most likely be targeted, so what? Did you know that we share a border with Mexico? If we shared a border with an Asian country, we would be profiling Asians, did you have a point to make here?
Constitutionality? Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. The SCOTUS has already ruled that profiling is legal, how do I know? Because it is allowed within the Federal Immigration Laws. Since you have done not a shred of research on your own, let alone probably didn’t read the AZ law, I will clarify. Terry vs Ohio gave MUCH more power to cops when dealing with the 4th amendment. The law was written behind many SCOTUS rulings, and mirrors the Federal Law, but it more watered down. In other words, Federal Law is actually tougher than the AZ law. Now you will tell me that states cannot enforce Federal Immigration Laws, wrong again. The 1996 Immigration Act signed by Clinton gave states the power to enforce Fed Laws through 287(g). Obama and the WH knows that this law is golden, which is why they won’t challenge it, imagine the shame when Obama (the Harvard Law grad) were to lose a legal challenge, based on a law that already exists.
The cost? Again you don’t understand the financial burden to Arizona, 2.7 Billion per year. They would spend much less than that on this program should they remove illegal aliens from their state.
Teeth? They already are the most aggressive state when it comes to enforcement, I can’t imagine them doing anything different when it comes to enforcement. Just that now they can question further the status of someone.
There is mythical Latino vote is just that, mythical. You have maybe 15% of the US population being Latino, while the other 85% is not. I would rather piss off the 15% than the 85%.
Just so you know, as far as Los Angeles’ boycott of Arizona, California has the exact same law on their books. Take a look at California Penal Code 834b, then tell the LA mayor and City Council to shut up already.
It is not the law being passed that has pissed people off, it is the enforcement that is pissing people off.
Rock,
Have you seen the slogan that La Raza uses?
“Everything for the race, nothing outside the race.”
If that isn’t the most racist thing, I don’t know what is.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Rock,
Have you seen the slogan that La Raza uses?
“Everything for the race, nothing outside the race.”
If that isn’t the most racist thing, I don’t know what is.[/quote]
The double standard in action…Liberals should be fuming over that slogan. But unfortunately, only caucasians are held to an anti-Racist standard.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I don’t even have words for how retarded this is.
How the FUCK can people be SO protective of ILLEGAL immigrants??? That’s not to mention the retardation of the concern for “racial profiling”. No shit they’re gonna be checking mexicans’ status as legal or not…THEY ARE THE ONES ILLEGALLY IMMIGRATING!!! [/quote]
hungry4more, I think you are in the military aren’t you? Thank you for your service, which unfortunately at this moment is also protecting the rights of illegal border jumpers.
[/quote]
Yep, USMC, and you’re welcome lol. Weird actually…I had a strange dream that involved you, Kerley, and somebody else from T-Nation last night…something about you moving here to NC, Kerley being your son, and his father also being from tnation, and you guys were all gonna move here to NC…it was strange…
/random hijack
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I don’t even have words for how retarded this is.
How the FUCK can people be SO protective of ILLEGAL immigrants??? That’s not to mention the retardation of the concern for “racial profiling”. No shit they’re gonna be checking mexicans’ status as legal or not…THEY ARE THE ONES ILLEGALLY IMMIGRATING!!! [/quote]
hungry4more, I think you are in the military aren’t you? Thank you for your service, which unfortunately at this moment is also protecting the rights of illegal border jumpers.
[/quote]
Yep, USMC, and you’re welcome lol. Weird actually…I had a strange dream that involved you, Kerley, and somebody else from T-Nation last night…something about you moving here to NC, Kerley being your son, and his father also being from tnation, and you guys were all gonna move here to NC…it was strange…
/random hijack[/quote]
Maybe the father was you, and that is why you can not remember.
Just Kidding. Thank you for your service, and thank your fellow Marines for us.
Here is the true glory gentlemen…
Today this afternoon, State Rep from Mass Mike Moran was hit by… wait for it… wait for it… an illegal alien.
Finally, politicians are seeing the fruits of their labor.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Here is the true glory gentlemen…
Today this afternoon, State Rep from Mass Mike Moran was hit by… wait for it… wait for it… an illegal alien.
Finally, politicians are seeing the fruits of their labor.[/quote]
Haha this is gonna spark another endless debate on the “true cause” of the accident…having said that, I was just WAITING for something like this to happen to a politician.
It was only a matter of time, too bad it wasn’t someone like Pelosi, Reid, or Gutierrez. Shit, I would love it if the LA Mayor got hit by an illegal alien.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
It was only a matter of time, too bad it wasn’t someone like Pelosi, Reid, or Gutierrez. Shit, I would love it if the LA Mayor got hit by an illegal alien.[/quote]
That would make for major lolz
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]K2000 wrote:
The reason Obama hasn’t tackled immigration yet is the same reason Bush never tackled it - because none of the solutions are very satisfying, and all of the solutions are guaranteed to piss off one large segment of society or another.[/quote]
Remaining to be a pussy on the issue shows a total lack of true leadership, be it Bush or anyone else.
The funny thing, is Obama is pissing off the LARGER segments of the US in most policy he puts out there. To me, it seems he asks 1 question to himself …“What will piss of the majority of America the most?” before he makes a decision and goes with that one.
Hell, he has divided this country like never before, so he should have no problem doing this, and we know his solution is not to enforce the border. He stated a few days ago “The US is no longer defined by it’s borders” when he paraded Mexicos pres in Congress for the purpose to shame Americans and Arizona.
70-75% of US Citizens want strict reform to ENFORCE existing laws. Who or what segment of our society will this really piss of then? La Razza…which is owed a huge favor by Obama…[/quote]
good post