I’m perplexed as to why the jury is not being sequestered during deliberations. Was there any discussion about this among counsel and the judge? If so, I missed it.
Are they not? Both prosecution and defense should be concerned about outside loonies trying to influence/intimidate the jury. Seems odd…
Apparently an AR-15 costs over 10K in Australia! They’re almost always obtained illegally, hence the pricetag.
It’s a beautiful looking firearm
Come to Aus, the people who have guns (typically farmers) don’t always take particularly good care of their firearms.
Most guns here are beaten up, old, shoddy looking rifles full of scratches and chips (if stock is wooden).
I suppose the argument is “but it still shoots! I can still take out a fox!”. As the firearms are there for a purpose, to be used to take out predators preying on livestock… Not for collection, target shooting or sport.
So AR-15s are in circulation in Australia but only criminals have them. Lovely.
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Is there any other way? XYZ is in circulation everywhere. The question is just whether law abiding people will have XYZ.
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You can theoretically get an AR-15 in Aus, but it requires a category D firearms license which is hardly ever granted unless you’re a professional hunter or a competitive marksman.
Otherwise, yes… Criminals seriously involved in organised crime are the ones who will own these guns, but they wouldn’t dare shoot a civilian with one of them. It’s typically gangster on gangster style violence.
You do know that rioters have been arrested and charged with serious crimes.
What causes the poverty is to blame. Criminals profit off poverty, from drug dealers to politicians. There is no incentive to end it.
Im sure the jury is rightly concerned the scum media will leak their identities should they come to a NG. Worthless sub human scum
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Very rarely. Out of the thousands who have looted and burned and beaten people up, how many have even been charged? Less than 0.1 % at most, I’m guessing. Hardly a deterrent.
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Scarcity?
My prediction: He will be found guilty on all charges.
This is a political trial, not a criminal one. He defied the state and the state is bringing the heat. The jurors are scared, they know if they acquit this kid, their houses will be burned down and the city will once again burn. Since the law cannot protect the jurors, they will provide a verdict that is most favorable to their own survival. That is a guilty verdict.
The trial was a show. There is so much political heat on these people, it would be a miracle if they acquit. They are being threatened, they hear the fights outside, they see the national guard deployed. They are not deployed for a guilty verdict, they are deploy for a not guilty verdict. Rittenhouse is a sacrificial lamb and he will be sacrificed so that when the jurors go to sleep, they don’t have to worry that they will be hurt, beaten, or killed.
It was incumbent on the defense to prove that the jury would be safe if they voted ‘Not Guilty’, they didn’t even address the madness outside the court. Big mistake. If the jurors are scared of repercussions, how can they rule justly on the merits of the case. The defense need to argue for the jury’s safety. That’s the elephant in the room and with nobody assuring these people that they and their families will be safe, they basically have no choice but to come back, guilty across the board.
As of right now, there is no verdict. On the merits, he is not only not guilty, but innocent. But this case will be judged on the safety of the jurors and if they don’t feel safe returning a not guilty, they will return guilty. The jurors don’t feel safe and they are not safe if they acquit, so Kyle is going to prison for the rest of his life, so the jurors feel safe. The system has completely fallen apart.
At this time there is no verdict. So this is my prediction and the basis for my prediction.
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The “system” fell apart a long time ago.
What about the Amaud Arberry case down in Georgia.
Does anyone have any strong feelings about that one?
Perhaps. The proper framing should be, the very pretense that there is a functioning system of English common law in the U.S. has completely fallen apart.
The system was fragile, but to destroy it in 10 months, where even the very appearance of a functioning system has been abandoned is pretty stunning. People just say it now, if you are of the wrong political persuasion you are an enemy that must be destroyed. And if your participating in political violence for the people in power, all your charges will be dropped.
More than 32 people were killed during these riots over the summer of 2020. Why is only one person on trial for 2 of the deaths and there are not even suspects for the other 30? Ah, this one person was white, young and supported the wrong political cause. And it’s the last part that is his greatest crime.
If he was a leftist antifa type, he could have mowed down a crowd of ‘white supremacists’ and he wouldn’t have even been arrested much less charged. And you wouldn’t have heard a word.
You know what’s another major event, a mass casualty event that took the lives of 10 people including a 9 year old boy, who died 2 days ago? Astroworld.
I have a hard time finding any coverage on it and it’s on going, there are like 124 lawsuits at last count. Have you even heard of it?
Why? It’s not political violence. It’s just unfortunate, so nothing to see here.
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Oh those guys are getting the death penalty. They killed a black guy during a period of racial unrest and the sheriff was a good ol’ boy who tried to cover it up. And they said racial slurs. They are fucked up.
I don’t know many of the facts except for as usual, the the narrative by the media was a lie and he wasn’t just jogging. No that doesn’t mean you execute anybody, but those guys are going down. Perhaps rightfully so, I haven’t looked at it much. I haven’t had much time and Rittenhouse is all over the news.
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I still stand by my take from when the footage first aired. Lots of discussion about that case in the Lethal Force thread.
It’s why he will be found guilty.
The case before the jury IS NOT did the kid act in self defense, the evidence is pretty clear. The case before the jury is, do they feel protected enough to proceed with a fair verdict or are they rightfully terrified that if they provide a politically unpopular verdict, where harm will come to them and their families?
The fact that that wasn’t even addressed by the court is why I believe he will be found guilty down the line. They simply are not going to sacrifice their own safety for a kid they do not even know.
Think about the average person with a hard decision. One decision, may be wrong, but no one will ever question you about it again and nobody is going to hunt you down to hurt you. The other decision, may be the right one, but most assuredly makes you a target for political violence and you and your family may not be safe for a long time. What do you choose, give those are your options?
Are you going to sacrifice your safety for a kid you don’t even know, or do you sell him out and ensure you and your family’s safety? That’s the question before the jury, not guilt or innocence.
There may be a hardcore believer in the law on the jury at best, most will sell that kid out with nary a second thought. I would have done a bench trial if I were Kyle.
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It’s being talked about everywhere. Your “news” sources are telling you it’s not being covered.
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