Knife Control

smh23 · April 12, 2013, 5:52pm

[quote]pushharder wrote:

I see you continue with your campus/courtroom analogy which you insist you never made. "But, but, but, you’ve got to understand ‘magnitude’, dude!" Ummm…sure, pal.
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Jesus Christ.

It is now clear to me that you need to start learning about what an analogy is and what an analogy isn’t, and I mean beginning with the very fundamentals of logic. I will explain this to you as soon as you do the following:

Tell me exactly what is the direct analogy I’ve drawn. Express it in the formal A is to B as C is to D.

BeefEater · April 12, 2013, 5:59pm

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Hundreds, millions of Americans who suffer from violent crime – rape, murder, attempted murder, assault, home invasion, car jacking, etc. – every single year would bitch slap you in a heartbeat if you made yourself such a dunce in their presence. They feel like they are “average Americans” and wouldn’t be all that keen on you and your “statistics” insisting they should passively play the victim role.
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Flat out lie push.

“In 2011, an estimated 1,203,564 violent crimes occurred nationwide, a decrease of 3.8 percent from the 2010 estimate.”

“There were an estimated 386.3 violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants in 2011.”

“Aggravated assaults accounted for the highest number of violent crimes reported to law enforcement at 62.4 percent. Robbery comprised 29.4 percent of violent crimes, forcible rape accounted for 6.9 percent, and murder accounted for 1.2 percent of estimated violent crimes in 2011.”

So if we take into account all these events you have a less than 1% chance of encountering a situation that would require the use of a gun.

NikH · April 12, 2013, 6:11pm

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Only an idiot would insist that ANY police department, even that of a college campus, is a more secure protection against assault than the citizen himself (if he arms himself).

Police officers are principally investigators not personal guards.[/quote]

I feel perfectly safe without a gun. You must be scared shitless if you carry a gun around at all times. I feel sad for you

anon50325502 · April 12, 2013, 6:13pm

[quote]BeefEater wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Hundreds, millions of Americans who suffer from violent crime – rape, murder, attempted murder, assault, home invasion, car jacking, etc. – every single year would bitch slap you in a heartbeat if you made yourself such a dunce in their presence. They feel like they are “average Americans” and wouldn’t be all that keen on you and your “statistics” insisting they should passively play the victim role.
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Flat out lie push.

“In 2011, an estimated 1,203,564 violent crimes occurred nationwide, a decrease of 3.8 percent from the 2010 estimate.”

“There were an estimated 386.3 violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants in 2011.”

“Aggravated assaults accounted for the highest number of violent crimes reported to law enforcement at 62.4 percent. Robbery comprised 29.4 percent of violent crimes, forcible rape accounted for 6.9 percent, and murder accounted for 1.2 percent of estimated violent crimes in 2011.”

So if we take into account all these events you have a less than 1% chance of encountering a situation that would require the use of a gun.[/quote]

So, if I’m following your line of thinking, since the % of people affected is so low there isn’t a need for the 2nd ammendement or at least concel carry, correct?

As a counter to your argument I would say then we don’t need to change the meaning of marriage since the gay population is estimated to be around 2% of the population, correct?

NOTE: I’m not trying to turn this into a marriage debate. My point is based off Beefs argument, which is based of the % affected.

anon50325502 · April 12, 2013, 6:24pm

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Only an idiot would insist that ANY police department, even that of a college campus, is a more secure protection against assault than the citizen himself (if he arms himself).

Police officers are principally investigators not personal guards.[/quote]

I feel perfectly safe without a gun. You must be scared shitless if you carry a gun around at all times. I feel sad for you :([/quote]

Spineless fool #2 ^.

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What does carrying a defensive weapon have to do with being scared shitless? NikH do you not take precautions when you’re going to be a suspect area?

anon50325502 · April 12, 2013, 6:26pm

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]BeefEater wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Hundreds, millions of Americans who suffer from violent crime – rape, murder, attempted murder, assault, home invasion, car jacking, etc. – every single year would bitch slap you in a heartbeat if you made yourself such a dunce in their presence. They feel like they are “average Americans” and wouldn’t be all that keen on you and your “statistics” insisting they should passively play the victim role.
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Flat out lie push.

“In 2011, an estimated 1,203,564 violent crimes occurred nationwide, a decrease of 3.8 percent from the 2010 estimate.”

“There were an estimated 386.3 violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants in 2011.”

“Aggravated assaults accounted for the highest number of violent crimes reported to law enforcement at 62.4 percent. Robbery comprised 29.4 percent of violent crimes, forcible rape accounted for 6.9 percent, and murder accounted for 1.2 percent of estimated violent crimes in 2011.”

So if we take into account all these events you have a less than 1% chance of encountering a situation that would require the use of a gun.[/quote]

So, if I’m following your line of thinking, since the % of people affected is so low there isn’t a need for the 2nd ammendement or at least concel carry, correct?

As a counter to your argument I would say then we don’t need to change the meaning of marriage since the gay population is estimated to be around 2% of the population, correct?

NOTE: I’m not trying to turn this into a marriage debate. My point is based off Beefs argument, which is based of the % affected. [/quote]

Also, since a small fraction of Americans experience religious persecution by the government (much smaller than 2%) we should shit can the First Amendment too.
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Oh I like this game…

smh23 · April 12, 2013, 6:31pm

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

I see you continue with your campus/courtroom analogy which you insist you never made. "But, but, but, you’ve got to understand ‘magnitude’, dude!" Ummm…sure, pal.
[/quote]

Jesus Christ.

It is now clear to me that you need to start learning about what an analogy is and what an analogy isn’t, and I mean beginning with the very fundamentals of logic. I will explain this to you as soon as you do the following:

Tell me exactly what is the direct analogy I’ve drawn. Express it in the formal A is to B as C is to D.[/quote]

Joseph Smith.

It is now clear to me that you need to understand the following (repeated):

In any conceivably reasonable scenario a college campus can never “lock down” itself with metal detectors, X-ray equipment and such like a courtroom or airport can.

There are thousands of Amanda Collins type rape victims all over the 50 states every single year. None of them have been raped in courtrooms. Many of them have been raped on college campuses that have these “impressive” police departments with which all “non-paranoid” people should place their undying trust.
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No no.

You’ve been attacking me for my “analogy” over the course of the past two pages.

Express this analogy to me in formal terms. A is to B as C is to D.

Let’s see it.

countingbeans · April 12, 2013, 6:33pm

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Only an idiot would insist that ANY police department, even that of a college campus, is a more secure protection against assault than the citizen himself (if he arms himself).

Police officers are principally investigators not personal guards.[/quote]

I feel perfectly safe without a gun. You must be scared shitless if you carry a gun around at all times. I feel sad for you :([/quote]

I got some neighborhoods for you to come stroll through

MaximusB · April 12, 2013, 6:33pm

Stats don’t lie.

Crime (all crime) has been decreasing over the years, while gun ownership has gone up. Could we assume that crime went down because gun ownership went up ? That might be a stretch to prove, but what it shows is that gun ownership did not cause crime to go up.

If you personally encounter a situation where you are in danger right then and there, with no cop around, the last thing you will be saying is “yay for gun control.”

The odds of you having a cop nearby, in the moment someone is fucking with your existence, is very small and none. And if you expect to wait for a cop even if you call 911, the outcome (however that plays out) will have already happened.

I think some people here are confusing someone looking for trouble with someone ready for trouble. The very large majority of people with guns are not looking for trouble.

Obama took one incident, horrific as it was, and manipulated it to get a Liberal agenda of gun control passed. Libs have tried, for decades, to get gun control, but lost on account of the power of the NRA lobby. This is their best chance at trying to get something passed, but it won’t be much more than a slice of buttered bread at the end of it all. Just bloviating and chest puffing, pure political theatre.

MaximusB · April 12, 2013, 6:38pm

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Only an idiot would insist that ANY police department, even that of a college campus, is a more secure protection against assault than the citizen himself (if he arms himself).

Police officers are principally investigators not personal guards.[/quote]

I feel perfectly safe without a gun. You must be scared shitless if you carry a gun around at all times. I feel sad for you :([/quote]

I got some neighborhoods for you to come stroll through[/quote]

True dat, come on through my way.

Nothing to see here.

Jewbacca · April 12, 2013, 6:40pm

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Only an idiot would insist that ANY police department, even that of a college campus, is a more secure protection against assault than the citizen himself (if he arms himself).

Police officers are principally investigators not personal guards.[/quote]

I feel perfectly safe without a gun. You must be scared shitless if you carry a gun around at all times. I feel sad for you :([/quote]

I got some neighborhoods for you to come stroll through[/quote]

I love white bread liberals like the anti-gun crowd. Toughest place they’ve ever been is an outlet store in Freeport, Maine, fighting over a pair of LLBean mocs.

Let’s dress them up as a Hasidic Jew and go ride the subway in Brooklyn, as see if they want a pistol permit. About the fifth guy “bumping” into them mumbling “fucking die Jooo” and they might change their mind.

Chicago is even more fun.

anon50325502 · April 12, 2013, 6:42pm