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Typical college spring breaker, Israel. Yeah, our college kids are so different.
[quote]CornSprint wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
^not to keep harping on MD, but you have to be 21 to legally buy/own a gun so we are talking about mostly seniors in college. They are to irresponsible to handle guns?[/quote]
I am less than a year out of being one of said seniors and keep in touch with a lot of current seniors in college. While I think in any other setting, 99% of these individuals would be fine as gun owners, I can confidently say college is the bane of responsibility (for most).
We are talking about a population whose main priority (ESPECIALLY as seniors) is to go out, drink heavily 4+ nights a week, experiment with all levels and forms of drugs, experiment with every possible combination of sexual partners/experiences, and otherwise do everything in their power to be as irresponsible as humanly possible. My school is able to stand up to any school out there in academics-all this did, rather than forcing students to be responsible all the time, was create a small army of Jekylls, ready and yearning to transform into Hyde. The level of sheer stupidity I had both seen and participated in during college has been staggering (and I was, unfortunately, far too responsible for my own good). I hardly believe adding guns to this mixture would be a positive net effect.[/quote]
Yep. Precisely.
People would not believe many of the stories that I gathered, either as a participant or an observer, over the course of my career as an undergraduate. I have a hard time wrapping my own head around some of it.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
Comparing military conscripts to the average American college student is almost as erroneous as the Schindler’s List picture you posted earlier.[/quote]
Not really, since we were college students (or more correctly, Yeshiva students).
Many of us just happened to been in the Reserves and are entrusted with the weapons.
Same drinking and whatnot (less females in my particular school) as any American college.
You go to a co-ed dorm in Tel-Aviv University and all the students have full auto M4s or Tavors stuck in the back of their closets.[/quote]
Yeah, but that is in Israel. It’s not like that here, I promise you.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
Comparing military conscripts to the average American college student is almost as erroneous as the Schindler’s List picture you posted earlier.[/quote]
Not really, since we were college students (or more correctly, Yeshiva students).
Many of us just happened to been in the Reserves and are entrusted with the weapons.
Same drinking and whatnot (less females in my particular school) as any American college.
You go to a co-ed dorm in Tel-Aviv University and all the students have full auto M4s or Tavors stuck in the back of their closets.[/quote]
Yes, really. Are they issued these weapons with no formal training with them before hand? The distinction is self evident.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Smh, I never did get your reply to my question about universities restricting religious freedom on campus.
You’re all for that, right?[/quote]
I have no idea when or where this question came. I believe that your posts are delayed, so can you reproduce it here?
I am also waiting for you to express to me the analogy that I’ve been drawing with sinister guile all this time.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
Comparing military conscripts to the average American college student is almost as erroneous as the Schindler’s List picture you posted earlier.[/quote]
What is the difference between a conscripted 18 year old, and an un-conscripted one?[/quote]
The conscript has formal military training and a modicum of discipline. Something that quite a few gun owning undergrads lack in abundance, and I’m speaking as a Texan.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
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Typical college spring breaker, Israel. Yeah, our college kids are so different.[/quote]
They really are in regards to formal weapons training. Israel’s geopolitics and national security concerns necessitate conscription. The U.S. finds itself in quite a different position.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
If my 72 year old mom or my 21 year old daughter wanted to return to college I want to know why they should be denied their right to carry their Sig 226 in order to respond to an attack by one of smh’s peers who is brandishing a tactical folder and demanding the removal of their clothes.[/quote]
[b]They don’t have a right to carry their Sig 226 at a college that has decided to ban guns on its campus.
They don’t have a right to carry their Sig 226 past security at Pfizer’s headquarters if Pfizer has decided so, despite the fact that Pfizer receives federal grants.[/b]
Stop inventing rights that don’t exist.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
I am also waiting for you to express to me the analogy that I’ve been drawing with sinister guile all this time.[/quote]
I don’t necessarily think it was sinister guile. Naivete maybe. [/quote]
If there was any analogy drawn, whether born of naivete or malice, I am interested to see you reproduce it here in the A is to B as C is to D format. I must eat and lift and then do the things that people do on Friday nights, but I will try to come back and answer the religion post tonight if I can.
If not, tomorrow morning.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
If my 72 year old mom or my 21 year old daughter wanted to return to college I want to know why they should be denied their right to carry their Sig 226 in order to respond to an attack by one of smh’s peers who is brandishing a tactical folder and demanding the removal of their clothes.[/quote]
[b]They don’t have a right to carry their Sig 226 at a college that has decided to ban guns on its campus.
They don’t have a right to carry their Sig 226 past security at Pfizer’s headquarters if Pfizer has decided so, despite the fact that Pfizer receives federal grants.[/b]
Stop inventing rights that don’t exist.
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The same extends to many government buildings, and rightfully so. When you leave campus you would then regain your right to carry a firearm, provided that you are legally qualified to do so. Their house, their rules. Let’s say hypothetically that the age to own a handgun and obtain a CCL drops to 18. Are you ok with H.S. seniors carrying in school? Remember, these institutions are funded on the state and federal level. No one is going to college kids’ apartments and seizing their weapons.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
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Typical college spring breaker, Israel. Yeah, our college kids are so different.[/quote]
That has to be the Gaza Strip ?