Kids Throwing Rocks at US Troops

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]lixy wrote:

True. That’s why I’d recommend you rely on third-party news sources (i.e: Neither associated with the US nor with the Islamic world). Avoiding corporate media is also usually wise. Try the ones funded by non-profit foundations and the like.[/quote]

Okay Lixy now that you’re making friends with us infidels and offering us news advice, what is your freaking point with this thread? You showed videos (erroneously labeled) about troops doing things that you disapprove of. First off, the video with the kids fighting and the US troops standing around is actually a Big Brothers initiative we have set up in Iraq for underprivileged children. I don’t see what the big deal is maybe the soldiers can take them to a strip club while they’re at it and the kids will realize it’s stupid to blow themselves up when there are so many strippers out there to watch.

Nobody likes hurting kids, nobody likes civilians dying, but what is your big giant solution? America is a superpower with interests to protect. Nobody gave us our independence, nobody granted us freedom, we kicked ass and earned it. Now we kick ass to keep it and we’re not going to let a rogue dictator or lack of a natural resource knock us off the top of the food chain. Humans coexist with war and that’s the way it is. When Americans aren’t fighting wars our kids are biting each other in daycare, our highschoolers are battling it out on the 50 yard line at homecoming, best friends are fighting over a stupid chick at a bar. We fight, get over it. In the history of mankind name me one war with more compassion or more care to protect non-combatants? If you think America is bad, look at who we’re facing! They aim for non-combatants and innocent people. It’s called Survival of the Fittest. Fuck this stupid Jihad and this stupid infidel bullshit. We don’t buy into that nonsense and it doesn’t scare us. We will never let some half ass organization with an axe to grind threaten our interests or our freedoms.

If you ask me I think the only real battle america is fighting right now is our own political correctness. It is strangling us. We need to kick the media out of Iraq, gag the politicians, and let the generals take over and get that stupid country under control. All this hand holding, candle lighting, parade marching, protesting, hugging, kissing and crying bullshit only exists because so many brave men fought their asses off to create an environment that offers safety, peace, and protection to it’s citizens. Ideally, our liberal friends just want everybody to realize how good life can be and experience it like us Americans, unfortunately the rest of the world isn’t ready to do that.

You can ride your peace train for the rest of your life but when you truly have something worth protecting and fighting for let me know. Let me know how it feels when you actually reach down and grab your balls and say you care less what anybody thinks about you because in the end - it’s you against them and god help 'em if they ever choose to go against you.

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[quote]SeanT wrote:
lixy wrote:
T-MIA wrote:
Well you might be right but lets be honest neither one of us can truly be sure because there isn’t a media giant out there that doesn’t have its own agenda. We both know that if you turn on the news in ten different countries you will see ten different interpretations of what happened,some more detailed others more vague.

True. That’s why I’d recommend you rely on third-party news sources (i.e: Neither associated with the US nor with the Islamic world). Avoiding corporate media is also usually wise. Try the ones funded by non-profit foundations and the like.

like fox news?[/quote]

Such an ignorant statement. Anyone that chastises an entire station is just being a closed minded asshole. You can blast individual shows all day long, but to accuse an entire station is ignorant. I watch fox news, but I also watch MSNBC and listen primarily to NPR along with a smattering of gasp conservative talk radio.

There’s plenty on Fox to scratch your head at such as O’Reilly, Geraldo, Greta, and the other pulp “news”. But then again, Brit Hume and Cavuto are pretty squared away. Then again, I don’t bash MSNBC as a liberal bastion just because Kieth Olberman is a moron. All your little “like fox news?” smartass comments accomplish only one thing: to show that you have firmly situated yourself in your camp and blindly follow their dogma. Basically, you should keep your mouth shut unless you actually have something to contribute.

mike

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[quote]mstott25 wrote:
I don’t see what the big deal is maybe the soldiers can take them to a strip club while they’re at it and the kids will realize it’s stupid to blow themselves up when there are so many strippers out there to watch.[/quote]

LOL! A Muslim strip club.

You better be more worried about China than Iraq or even Iran. This is about beating up the nerdy geek at school. Makes you look big in front of the new bigger bully on the block (China or Russia).

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We fight, get over it. In the history of mankind name me one war with more compassion or more care to protect non-combatants? If you think America is bad, look at who we’re facing! They aim for non-combatants and innocent people. It’s called Survival of the Fittest.[/quote]

There is also such a thing as honor. And the people who have got you into this war (the Administration) have lied and cheated their way into power. They send over the real men to die for some stupid shit just so they can grease their pockets with contracts to ‘rebuild’ and ‘develop’.

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If you ask me I think the only real battle america is fighting right now is our own political correctness.[/quote]

The real battle is to get some damn balls as a people instead of being bullied into submission by those lying pieces of slime at the top. They were considering implementing conscription at some point in the war. WTF?

Too bad you don’t realize your worst enemy exists in your own country.

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[quote]unbending wrote:

Too bad you don’t realize your worst enemy exists in your own country.[/quote]

are you talking about david beckham?

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[quote]lixy wrote:
A powerful video of Iraqi kids tossing rocks at a US convoy. You guys managed to alienate even small children. Keep up the good work!

One where bored US soldiers give a 1$ bounty to the winner of an improvised kiddie death match.

And footage of Americans beating the hell out of Iraqi kids and teenagers.

Anyone wondering why you’re not exactly popular?[/quote]

“Anyone wondering why you’re not exactly popular?”

Who gives a fuck? we are in charge. Throw all the rocks you want, hate us too and then go back to cowering in the corner.

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If I post a pic of a young Christian girl decapitated by Muslims, can I use that to indict you as a muslim, Lixy? Just wondering if there’s different standards. Great propaganda piece though.

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[quote]T-MIA wrote:
US intentions are anything but evil. [/quote]

You seem confident in your politicians’ good faith. I don’t think I would use the term “evil” to qualify them, but they certainly waged an unnecessary war that cost way too many lives and turn a country into a breeding ground for terrorists. It was predictable, and surely enough, the whole world’s been shouting it before the war even began.

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Well, there you go. The US should be praised for supporting Saddam when it did. The argument is that only a mass murdering tyrant can prevent these muslims from killing each other (and the christian minority). So, what gives then? Why use US support for Saddam, against the US? Wasn’t the purpose to stabilize the region? And today, it’s argued that Saddam should have been left in power to keep the region stabilized. So again, what gives?

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[quote]mstott25 wrote:
Okay Lixy now that you’re making friends with us infidels and offering us news advice, what is your freaking point with this thread? You showed videos (erroneously labeled) about troops doing things that you disapprove of. [/quote]

I think it’s self-evident. No people will EVER accept foreign troops cruising their streets. They’ll do whatever they can to resist the occupying forces.

You see nothing wrong with soldiers offering young kids a dollar to the winner of a fist fight? It’s utterly immoral to entertain yourself from a cock fight, let alone little kids.

My giant solution? How about repatriating some of the thousands of troops stationed in over a hundred countries all over the world?

Condoning the use of violence on innocents just so you can protect some economical interests is wrong in so many ways I don’t even know where to start. Human life is sacred (and I don’t mean that in a religious sense but a humanist approach).

Everyone who ever nationalized the resources you were pillaging made it on your “rogue dictator” list overnight despite being popularly elected.

How on earth did your oil get under their sands? Walk me thru it…

Yeah, savage ones…

What you do in your own country doesn’t interest me so much. What you do to other people is my business.

[quote]If you think America is bad, look at who we’re facing!
They aim for non-combatants and innocent people. It’s called Survival of the Fittest. Fuck this stupid Jihad and this stupid infidel bullshit. We don’t buy into that nonsense and it doesn’t scare us. We will never let some half ass organization with an axe to grind threaten our interests or our freedoms. [/quote]

Now now, just 'cause someone is shooting at your troops in Iraq doesn’t mean he’s part of Al-Qaeda. Hell, I bet if you had Iraqi troops walking down North Carolina you’d be shooting at them too, am I wrong?

No. The real battle was clearly stated by Eisenhower, and you fat slobs did nothing about it. Now, it got even worse than at the time of Dwight because they monopolized everything from newspapers to TVs. You’re left with two puppets to choose from once in a while, but that’s the extent of it. Foreign policy don’t change with Democrats or Republicans. They’re all playing the same game. It’s a bit simplistic, but I believe that to be the real problem you should tackling instead of wasting time and energy on partisanship issues over such stupid things as whether to teach kids about condoms or not.

Travel around a bit. You’d be amazed how perspective changes when you get out of your cocoon.

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Such an ignorant statement. Anyone that chastises an entire station is just being a closed minded asshole. You can blast individual shows all day long, but to accuse an entire station is ignorant. [/quote]

I’d normally agree with you. But it’s Murdoch we’re talking about here, not Santa Claus.

In this documentary, Fox employees provide insight on the methods used by the network to coerce them into bias. Highly recommended watch.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8775995341064689390

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
We used smart bombs to pinpoint targets. It’s not like we carpet bombed Baghdad.

If your bombs are so smart, why don’t keep a body count of the civilian deaths? You’re probably smart enough to figure out the answer.

I remember when we did invade Baghdad. People were celebrating, ripping up pictures of Saddam. How come kids weren’t throwing rocks at our troops then?

'Cause you got rid of Saddam, duh!
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What I was saying was if there was so much death and destruction as you claim, why weren’t the kids throwing rocks at our troops from the get go?

Civilian deaths: Do you mean killed by just american forces, or combined with those killed by ex-baathists, al-qaeda bombs or shia death squads or Iraqi forces? or all of the above?

I believe the deaths after the initial invasion would be less than the chaos which unfortunately resulted when destabilizing forces began killing politicians, blowing up shia mosques, started a civil war and decided they did not want peace in Iraq.

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[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
Who gives a fuck? we are in charge. Throw all the rocks you want, hate us too and then go back to cowering in the corner. [/quote]

Good.

You illustrate perfectly (it’s almost a caricaturization) the arrogant position of the US towards the rest of the world. Fuck you all! We’ll do as we please and anyone who gets in the way will be crushed. We’re above the law and we don’t respect anything but the mighty buck. Crack open a history book some time and see how it turned out for the ones who advocated the “better be feared than loved” line.

How you fail to see that you’re creating terrorists by the day dazzles me. You must be one of those meatheads who give the community a bad name. Scratch that, you give the whole human race a bad name. Moron!

p.s: I normally try to stay away from non-constructive name calling, but when you coldly spout a “who gives a fuck?” about a country you wrecked, debate is bound to go down from there.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
If I post a pic of a young Christian girl decapitated by Muslims, can I use that to indict you as a muslim, Lixy? [/quote]

Indict? Doesn’t that involve a court and such?

I see nothing wrong with denouncing murderous bastards. Matter of fact, I encourage it. Feel free to post anything you deem relevant.

I wouldn’t call it a propaganda piece. It’s an amateur video shot by a hardliner (you can tell from the number of times he uses the term “shits” to refer to the little kids) and uploaded by him. It depicts the aggression from the locals occupying forces endure on a daily basis. It rebukes the myth that you’re seen as liberators. You can’t get a more grassroots resistance than that. If they were adults, you would have probably played the “terrorist” card and dismissed them as Al-Qaeda fighters. But kids, c’mon!

Standards are the same. No different. However, dully note that I condemn your foreign policy and military interventionism. I never said that Americans were bad or anything of the sort. Hell, a lot of Americans (from all across the political spectrum) share the same views as me on the withdrawal issue.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, there you go. The US should be praised for supporting Saddam when it did. The argument is that only a mass murdering tyrant can prevent these muslims from killing each other (and the christian minority). So, what gives then? Why use US support for Saddam, against the US? Wasn’t the purpose to stabilize the region? And today, it’s argued that Saddam should have been left in power to keep the region stabilized. So again, what gives?[/quote]

You don’t get it, now do you? What’s argued is that you shouldn’t be meddling with the internal affairs of foreign countries. People have the right to determine their own destiny. Supporting or overthrowing governments should not be the prerogative of the people it rules, not some superpower millions of miles away. Understood?

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
What I was saying was if there was so much death and destruction as you claim, why weren’t the kids throwing rocks at our troops from the get go? [/quote]

I don’t know if they did or didn’t but either way, I believe I answered that already. The hypothesis being that they were euphoric about the removal of Saddam and all…

Skyrocketing death figures correlate perfectly with your presence there. Shouldn’t you be held accountable, even if you claim your attentions were good? I mean, you’ve been warned by the world community loud and clear.

I wasn’t at all surprised that Al-Qaeda fostered in post-2003 Iraq. Not pleased that it happened, but certainly not surprised. You, on the other hand, seem to be surprised that nationalists resist your presence there.

Are you on state-the-obvious mode today?

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[quote]mstott25 wrote:
unbending wrote:

Too bad you don’t realize your worst enemy exists in your own country.

are you talking about david beckham?[/quote]

LOL! Close.

I was talking about the political power centers. The Bushes, and the Keneddys, the self-proclaimed aristocracy.

That and the toxic parasites that leech off them. Like Bill O’Riley. Lying motherfucker.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
Who gives a fuck? we are in charge. Throw all the rocks you want, hate us too and then go back to cowering in the corner.

Good.

You illustrate perfectly (it’s almost a caricaturization) the arrogant position of the US towards the rest of the world. Fuck you all! We’ll do as we please and anyone who gets in the way will be crushed. We’re above the law and we don’t respect anything but the mighty buck. Crack open a history book some time and see how it turned out for the ones who advocated the “better be feared than loved” line.

How you fail to see that you’re creating terrorists by the day dazzles me. You must be one of those meatheads who give the community a bad name. Scratch that, you give the whole human race a bad name. Moron!

p.s: I normally try to stay away from non-constructive name calling, but when you coldly spout a “who gives a fuck?” about a country you wrecked, debate is bound to go down from there.[/quote]

Crack open a modern history book and read about the tension between saddams iraq and the US, then follow the time line to osama’s 9/11. Also check out Saddam’s genocide, torture and rape chambers.

Then study the pseudo-borders of the middle east that are very porous in the name of religious similarity.

Then look up Jihad and religious zealotry and ponder their relevance in the world’s conflicts today.

A big fuck you is well deserved.

Killing kids and teens with out mercy is not, but when videos can be edited it leaves you wondering what the kids and teens did.

If they were launching mortars for instance, survival was the issue at hand. Don’t make them look like unruly american kids throwing water balloons at passing cars:

everybody can spin but facts are facts.

American atrocities do occur but are the exception to the rule while radicalism is the rule in the middle east. They brought it to us.

and why the hell do they want to cover their women up?

Damn!

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[quote]lixy wrote:

You don’t get it, now do you? What’s argued is that you shouldn’t be meddling with the internal affairs of foreign countries. People have the right to determine their own destiny. Supporting or overthrowing governments should not be the prerogative of the people it rules, not some superpower millions of miles away. Understood?
[/quote]

To everyone opposing lixy, ask him what he thinks of the agents, spies, and soldiers, that Iran and Syria have spread throughout the middle east and Turkey over the years. Ask him about the meddling, manipulation, murder and assasinations that they have perpetrated on the Middle East over the years. Ask him about the the overt and covert operations to destablize and control foreign policy by those two countries.

What does his absolute determination in disparaging Israel and the U.S. at every opportunity say about the type of person he is when he refuses to hold other countries to the same standards that he expects of the “little devil” and the “big devil”?

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[quote]vladsmicer wrote:
To everyone opposing lixy, ask him what he thinks of the agents, spies, and soldiers, that Iran and Syria have spread throughout the middle east and Turkey over the years.[/quote]

Excuse me, but this is not ‘the board’ vs ‘lixy’ or ‘us’ vs ‘them’ or any of this bullshit. Its every person’s individual opinion right and wrong being expressed on this board.

In the case of lixy, he’s usually half-right. He’d have better success if he didn’t lie so much.

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[quote]lixy wrote:

I think it’s self-evident. No people will EVER accept foreign troops cruising their streets. They’ll do whatever they can to resist the occupying forces.[/quote]

Yes, you’re historically astute aren’t you? Japan and Germany never cooperated with occupying forces who were there to rebuild their countries after their leaders drove them into the ground. What was anybody thinking? We expected that the people of Iraq could function without being under the thumb of a ruthless dictator. How foolish of us to think that religion crazed people could appeal to reason and sanity when deciding the outcome of their own country…

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You see nothing wrong with soldiers offering young kids a dollar to the winner of a fist fight? It’s utterly immoral to entertain yourself from a cock fight, let alone little kids.[/quote]

You’re right, those stupid immoral soldiers. We should act like our religious allies in Saudi Arabia and just cut off kids hands according to Sharia.

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My giant solution? How about repatriating some of the thousands of troops stationed in over a hundred countries all over the world?[/quote]

and what in the hell is that going to solve? Good god you’re a dreamer. What fucking classes are you taking over there in Sweden? Yeah, let’s get our troops out of these areas and let the fucking savages from your part of the world take control and decide the outcome of the world. hopefully we can have an international taliban or islamic law. That sounds good to you, huh?

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Condoning the use of violence on innocents just so you can protect some economical interests is wrong in so many ways I don’t even know where to start. Human life is sacred (and I don’t mean that in a religious sense but a humanist approach).[/quote]

Violence happens. Turn that into a bumper sticker and post it on your fucking forehead. Condone schmodone, it just happens. Do you not remember President Bush telling Saddam Hussein in front of the whole world that he needed to let our inspectors in and meet the demands of the UN? Saddam could have stepped down, Saddam could have actually adhered to the sanctions we placed on him after he tried to take over the entire country of Kuwait. The world didn’t care if Saddam had nuclear weapons and fired them at the US, so we took care of it ourselves. Now we have a huge problem because somebody will take over Iraq and if that somebody is Iran then we have many more problems than a few carbombs and suicide bombers.

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Everyone who ever nationalized the resources you were pillaging made it on your “rogue dictator” list overnight despite being popularly elected.[/quote]

God, cry me a river. Is Shinzo Abe a ruthless dictator? Is Stephen Harper a ruthless dictator? What about Felipe Calderon, hell what about King Abdullah? Because last I checked, these are the guys supplying the US with most of our resources. Maybe you need to unlearn everything they taught you at your madrassa.

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How on earth did your oil get under their sands? Walk me thru it…[/quote]

Well you see there used to be these large creatures that roamed the earth called dinosaurs. When dinosaurs died they…

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What you do in your own country doesn’t interest me so much. What you do to other people is my business.[/quote]

Oh yes it does interest you which is why you’re hanging out on a website based in the United States. You see Americans don’t go cruising the net at night looking for a hot Algerian or Swedish website to check out (unless porn is involved). We interest you too much, in fact you’re obsessed with us.

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Now now, just 'cause someone is shooting at your troops in Iraq doesn’t mean he’s part of Al-Qaeda. Hell, I bet if you had Iraqi troops walking down North Carolina you’d be shooting at them too, am I wrong?[/quote]

Well the only problem with your analogy is that we do have people walking around in North Carolina like US Troops in Iraq. They’re called police officers and no I don’t hang out my window and shoot at them when they walk by.

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No. The real battle was clearly stated by Eisenhower, and you fat slobs did nothing about it. Now, it got even worse than at the time of Dwight because they monopolized everything from newspapers to TVs. You’re left with two puppets to choose from once in a while, but that’s the extent of it. Foreign policy don’t change with Democrats or Republicans. They’re all playing the same game. It’s a bit simplistic, but I believe that to be the real problem you should tackling instead of wasting time and energy on partisanship issues over such stupid things as whether to teach kids about condoms or not.[/quote]

WTF?? Aren’t you Algerian? You’re complaining about our two party political system when Algeria cancelled the elections in 1991 because they feared the wrong party would be elected! LOL! Your own government incited a civil war that continues to this day and resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people all because of a faulty election process! God you people are great. You guys really have a grasp on the democratic process, please send your ambassadors to America and instruct us so that we can be just like you.

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Travel around a bit. You’d be amazed how perspective changes when you get out of your cocoon.[/quote]

I promise I’ll take a trip to California just for you. Is that what you had in mind?