[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Translation: “I look like a terrorist, act like a terrorist, speak like a terrorist. Those filthy Americans might use those things to violate my rights.” [/quote]
Enlighten us. How does a terrorist look like? How does he act? Speak?
Like this?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Translation: “I look like a terrorist, act like a terrorist, speak like a terrorist. Those filthy Americans might use those things to violate my rights.”[/quote]
Headhunter, you don’t happen to have a white robe and hood do you?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Oh no? How did you proceed in 2003? Did I miss the part where you had civilians evacuated. By the most conservative accounts, thousands have died. That’s still thousands too many for me.[/quote]
We used smart bombs to pinpoint targets. It’s not like we carpet bombed Baghdad.
I remember when we did invade Baghdad. People were celebrating, ripping up pictures of Saddam. How come kids weren’t throwing rocks at our troops then?
[quote]lixy wrote:
I like the US but not enough to take such risks.[/quote]
Hey, don’t get all over HH.
Check the above quote. Exactly what risk are we talking about here? Thousands of Muslims fly in the intercontinental US and never get hassled.
Maybe they are rocks of support?
The soldier wanted to buy the kids a decent ring.
We simply need to send Beckhem to Iraq, they like soccer yes? We will be popular then!
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
We used smart bombs to pinpoint targets. It’s not like we carpet bombed Baghdad. [/quote]
If your bombs are so smart, why don’t keep a body count of the civilian deaths? You’re probably smart enough to figure out the answer.[quote]
I remember when we did invade Baghdad. People were celebrating, ripping up pictures of Saddam. How come kids weren’t throwing rocks at our troops then?[/quote]
'Cause you got rid of Saddam, duh!
[quote]lixy wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
One last post: If you hate America as you implied when you said that you wouldn’t set foot on our soil, why do you have an American comic character as your avator?
Now now, Pierce, I never said I hated America although I obviously am not a fan of the way it conducts its foreign policy.
I said that I won’t set foot in the country anymore because of all the abuses condoned by the “Patriot” act.
People are routinely persecuted for having the wrong name, criticizing the war, or even for wearing the wrong t-shirt. Sorry, but I’m not fond of being detained (for hours, days…) without charges. I personally know a guy who spent 48 hours in JFK for no other reason than his unconventional facial hair.[/quote]
Now again where is the equal condemnation of events like this: Iran says it has no information about missing Iranian-Americans
Have you started any posts on this, where are the criticisms of this?
Am I US Mil?
Loud and Proud Lizy Damn Loud and Proud
[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
We used smart bombs to pinpoint targets. It’s not like we carpet bombed Baghdad.
If your bombs are so smart, why don’t keep a body count of the civilian deaths? You’re probably smart enough to figure out the answer.
I remember when we did invade Baghdad. People were celebrating, ripping up pictures of Saddam. How come kids weren’t throwing rocks at our troops then?
'Cause you got rid of Saddam, duh!
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Cause we arn’t trying to kill civilians? and smart bombs are simply guided by gps and lasers. Its not like they have AI.
Iraq is the mob. Violence ensues because we cant keep them happy constantly. We are trying to put back a country that has been in the gutter of humanity for decades. People are angry because they don’t have constant electricity or clean water. They are mad because they don’t have jobs and only sporadic work at best. I’d be mad too.
I hope I would be smart enought to adapt and overcome the best way I could without resorting to violence towards the very people who are trying to put all those things in place. Uneducated and poor people usually fail to see past what will happen tomorrow. The cycle is tough to break.
No good terror act goes unpaid and hungry, tired people know that.The Iraqis that I have had a priveledge to meet love americans. Sure they don’t want to be occupied but most understand the big picture. They of course are the ones fortunate enough to be employed by DOD. What the US is trying to do might be futile.
Hope its not because the middle east will implode in civil war pooring over Iraq’s borders. Look at it how you want. And yeah taking care of Iraqi civilians might be secondary on us mission statement. But if Saddam would have got his act together we wouldn’t of had to go there and secure our oil prospects. You might not think its right but its called being a Superpower. You dont get that status sitting on your hands.
By the way 9/10 times civilian casualities are unadmitted combatants so dont feed me that line of shit. Yeah yeah everyone of em is sheep
[quote]vladsmicer wrote:
Now again where is the equal condemnation of events like this: Iran says it has no information about missing Iranian-Americans
Have you started any posts on this, where are the criticisms of this?
[/quote]
What am I? A news outlet that claims to have fair and balanced coverage of events?
I made this forum a regular stop because it was infested by warmongering right-wingers. I try to balance their “we are infallible” claim as well as tone down the “all Muslims are evil” rhetoric of certain members. I happen to be a Muslim and a radical leftie, and that’s what makes me the bete noire of Bushie cheerleaders.
Now, what you do in the privacy of your own home doesn’t concern me so much. I will, however, condemn what you do to the kid next-door. If you didn’t get the analogy, let me break it down to you. Invading sovereign countries and mass murdering their people makes censoring or imprisoning your own citizens seem harmless.
Right Wing war monger…Ill take that compliment thank you lizy
Bushie Cheerleader? I gotta tell you that is pretty damn funny seiously lol. No I wouldn’t call myself a bush cheerleader I do believe in standing behind your commander in chief. Bush lost the ball awhile ago put at least he had the stones to make the move. Pleas dont call me a bushie cheerleaderlol…
[quote]T-MIA wrote:
Sure they don’t want to be occupied but most understand the big picture. [/quote]
I don’t doubt that for a second. Whatever issue my country has, I’d never tolerate foreigners occupying it.
Glad to see that you got your head on your shoulders. I’m sick of those claiming that control of oil’s got nothing to do with it.
Rectal statistics? Is that the best you can do?
Seriously, do you honestly believe 90% of the thousands and thousands of women and children who died because of your invasion were combatants? If so, you should really down to Earth once in a while.
Well you might be right but lets be honest neither one of us can truly be sure because there isn’t a media giant out there that doesn’t have its own agenda. We both know that if you turn on the news in ten different countries you will see ten different interpretations of what happened,some more detailed others more vague. Ive never seen it happen personally I only know what I read. Contrarily, I happen to know a handful of “civilians” that
suddenly got themselves killed in the middle of a handful of gruesome atrocites against there own people. People are fickel esp in these situations. And by the way I don’t hate Muslims I happen to have several Sunni friends in which I keep close contact via internet
[quote]T-MIA wrote:
Bushie Cheerleader? I gotta tell you that is pretty damn funny seiously lol. No I wouldn’t call myself a bush cheerleader I do believe in standing behind your commander in chief. Bush lost the ball awhile ago put at least he had the stones to make the move. Pleas dont call me a bushie cheerleaderlol…[/quote]
That wasn’t directed at you. You’re clearly not an apologist using shady ideology to excuse a foreign policy ran amock. I had the JeffR crowd in mind when writing that. You’re probably more ambivalent about the war than you let it show (seeing that it directly affects you).
[quote]T-MIA wrote:
Well you might be right but lets be honest neither one of us can truly be sure because there isn’t a media giant out there that doesn’t have its own agenda. We both know that if you turn on the news in ten different countries you will see ten different interpretations of what happened,some more detailed others more vague. [/quote]
True. That’s why I’d recommend you rely on third-party news sources (i.e: Neither associated with the US nor with the Islamic world). Avoiding corporate media is also usually wise. Try the ones funded by non-profit foundations and the like.
It was still funny I like the terminology. And no I won’t hide behind any of it. Im very straight forward about the reasons that we are there but what I wont do is say that we aren’t helping Iraqis. We are just not in the way or in the time frame that they expected. Its unfortunate. The Iraqis that do want a better Iraq are the ones that live in fear of retaliation from opposing groups. Its wicked how a people can treat one another. I know soldiers that must hide the fact or hide there families just to serve their country. No wonder things aren’t going well. At the same time a vast majority of the people educated or not are in outlying remote areas and dont own television, they only know what they hear. The propaganda and psychological tactics there are intense. Its a no win game. When I say “oil prospects” I mean that the US cant afford for volatility in a region that fuels it. Its not like we are going there and just taking it.We are managing it in a way that benefits all parties involved. I actually worked for the company that handles Iraq’s energy/oil service. Halliburton. Im rambling all I can say is that things are never as they seem. US intentions are anything but evil. Civilian casualities in any war are unfortunate but yet they are a fact of war. When the public allows terrorist cells to operate in the confines of their general safety in some kind of meek attempt to aid them people get hurt.
Its unfortunate but all by-products of every war and conflict in recorded history
[quote]lixy wrote:
T-MIA wrote:
Well you might be right but lets be honest neither one of us can truly be sure because there isn’t a media giant out there that doesn’t have its own agenda. We both know that if you turn on the news in ten different countries you will see ten different interpretations of what happened,some more detailed others more vague.
True. That’s why I’d recommend you rely on third-party news sources (i.e: Neither associated with the US nor with the Islamic world). Avoiding corporate media is also usually wise. Try the ones funded by non-profit foundations and the like.[/quote]
like fox news?
[quote]SeanT wrote:
like fox news?[/quote]
BBC is a much better choice. At least they admit where they are wrong once in awhile.
[quote]T-MIA wrote:
I actually worked for the company that handles Iraq’s energy/oil service. Halliburton. [/quote]
Careful brother, mention Haliburton and prepare for the witch hunt. I can hear them coming…
mike