Kiddie Porn and the FBI

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
orion wrote:
Now, if someone PAID for such pics you might have a point, because that would probably encourage further crimes, BUT if this is some random shit he has found on the internet, WHO DID THIS GUY ACTUALLY HARM?

Not that I ever have, or would, but I understand that nearly all kiddy porn has to be paid for. It’s a business.

You don’t just ‘find’ this shit on a random surf of the net, you have to actively seek it out and pay for it.

A lot of paedos in the UK got stung by the law a year or two ago because they submitted their cc details to buy kiddy porn. You think they would have paid for it - with traceable methods like cc - if there was any other way?

BBB[/quote]

Well, as I said, you do have a point then.

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[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
orion wrote:
Child pornography is not a crime per se (unless you declare it to be one) but the pictures of a crime happening.

It is like owning pictures of a bank robbery or a drug sale.

The only reason why the possession of such pictures is a “crime” is because most people think that pedophiles do not deserve any better and that you can therefore bend the rules a little bit.

Now, if someone PAID for such pics you might have a point, because that would probably encourage further crimes, BUT if this is some random shit he has found on the internet, WHO DID THIS GUY ACTUALLY HARM?

Yeah, it’s exactly like a bank robbery.

A lot of people who deal in kiddie porn aren’t in it for the money (gasp!). They pay for images by trading images - a lot of images of a CG kiddie porn will be worth an image of a real child being raped.
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There are people trading videos of be headings on the Internet.

That hardly leads to more beheadings.

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Whether he just randomly found it on the internet, or whether he was involved in a bigger picture ring, the issue is the same. The proliferation and dissemination of child pornography encourages a market. This market requires child abuse to function. OP did the right thing.[/quote]

How does trading pictures create a market if the one making the videos makes no profit?

Fritzl was actually more a case of slavery, sexual slavery included if you will, but he is no pedophile as far as we know.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Strange. Who would send a computer to be fixed that had crap like that on it?

Someone who desperately wanted to watch their kiddy porn, but were too stupid to fix it themselves.

BBB[/quote]

Someone who wanted to get caught but was too timid to turn himself in?

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I don’t even have to go off the first page of this thread to say that you absolutely did the right thing.

With these types of people there is a progression of their perversions. It starts with viewing the porn, online contact, then usually an actual meeting. They get bolder as they progress.

Take it from someone who deals with these people almost daily, you most certainly did the right thing because it was just a matter of time before this guy ruined other lives and not just his.

As for the uninformed poster who compared your find to a joint, you sir are clueless . Do a little research on sex offenders, they all start with porn and progress.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

All that is needed for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.

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Most good people do nothing because doing the right thing is the hardest thing to do. Doing the right thing can have negative consequences. You can be punished, jailed, and have your business destroyed, because the status quo is affected when you do the right thing. People like status quo. It makes them feel safe.

Yo, Tiribulus. You done good. I think that taking a stand against violence against children is so much bigger than myself, and what I will lose by NOT doing something. Having children has nothing to do with it. Having a social conscience does.

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Good job.

Thank you

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[quote]elano wrote:
Himora22 wrote:

1st:
When some one says collection “a few” is not what goes throw my mind. And he didnt say anything about a 15 year old girl, he said very young boys.

2nd:
If and when he got caught, and the FBI finds out that you worked on the computer and didnt report it you WOULD be charged with accessory. Then you get that share a cell with him.

So try to do what the OP did, stop and think what could happen to you and stop worrying about someone that you(the OP in this case) owes nothing to.

Hey. Whatever has been done is done. The guy is prob in jail right now anyways. My personal feelings on the matter of privacy may be a little extreme. I understand that the sick motherfucker was downloading little boy porn and that is very nasty.

The OP would not have been an accessory. It’s not like he saw a little boy get raped and did nothing. If you didn’t already know, there are thousands of kiddie porn pics in circulation over the net and even public officials get busted with them.

My point was simply that a man possibly innocent of sexual offenses is now a sexual offender.[/quote]
BUt owning kiddy porn is illegal, and it is what he was busted for. Appropriately so.

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[quote]orion wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Strange. Who would send a computer to be fixed that had crap like that on it?

Someone who desperately wanted to watch their kiddy porn, but were too stupid to fix it themselves.

BBB

Someone who wanted to get caught but was too timid to turn himself in?

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It just seems really odd. I would be thinking someone was trying to set me up. Because of that, I can understand why some people might not report it…ie everyone doesn’t trust the police OR guys with shady shit on their computers.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Elano, you’re wrong. This is not opinion. This creep was committing a felony, and not anything “minor” like moving 20 +lbs of bud over state lines. He’s in possession of proof of evil, and needs to be seperated from the rest of the functioning world. People like this have a problem, and unfortunately for all involved it cannot be fixed. So, the solution is to remove them from society and put them in a situation where they can fully understand what it’s like to be the victim.

And then they’re right back on the streets in short time<-----THIS is what needs to be fixed.[/quote]

Firing squad. Death penalty for murderers, rapists, child rapists and aggravated sexual assault.

As soon as a conviction is reached, take them behind the courthouse, line up a firing squad and pop him. No ridiculous prison expense, no waiting for justice by the victims family etc.

Of course this guy only had pics. Which I don’t believe deserves death. His prison sentence should definitely be long though.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Strange. Who would send a computer to be fixed that had crap like that on it?

Someone who desperately wanted to watch their kiddy porn, but were too stupid to fix it themselves.

BBB[/quote]

I asked the agents that and that’s what they told me.

These types are so fiercely addicted to this that he might gamble getting caught to get it back from a machine he was not technically capable of retrieving it from even though he could potentially download it again.

He called me twice to make sure I was able to save his “movies”. I kid you not. The last time was Wednesday morning while the FBI agents were standing in my living room. I didn’t answer it and played the message for them.

To answer SteelyD’s question nobody is asking, no I did not get paid.

It’s only fair to mention that I may not be as unselfishly heroic as some are supposing and I honestly didn’t think of it that way at the time.

It wasn’t a purely instantaneous decision to side with right and justice see society purged of this evil.

All of the possible implications for myself and my family were going through my mind at the same time. Especially in this sick upside down society we live in today where I may end up somehow in more trouble than him. I still wouldn’t be shocked to wind up being served by the ACLU.

Also, for the record, even for something as heinous as this I would not approve of prosecution based on evidence obtained in an illegal search by law enforcement. HE brought the machine to me and I was doing legitimate work in my own house. They are always informed ahead of time of what that will entail. There can be no expectation of privacy when they hand you the computer and are paying you in part to find and save their personal information.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Strange. Who would send a computer to be fixed that had crap like that on it?

Someone who desperately wanted to watch their kiddy porn, but were too stupid to fix it themselves.

BBB

Someone who wanted to get caught but was too timid to turn himself in?

It just seems really odd. I would be thinking someone was trying to set me up. Because of that, I can understand why some people might not report it…ie everyone doesn’t trust the police OR guys with shady shit on their computers.[/quote]
Some people are just really dumb.

One of my internships was in the RadioShack marketing dept. up in Fort Worth.

One of the RadioShack execs, a VP though I can’t remember the department, had hundreds of kiddy porn images on his office computer.

Some technical IT guy came across them in the normal day to day auditing and the guy was obviously fired, admitted to the downloads and is in jail. He lived in a really nice neighborhood between Fort Worth and Dallas, had kids and a wife etc etc.

A VP of a fortune 500 company. And a technological company at that, even if consumer electronics.

Either the guy had a sick, uncontrollable addiction or he was retarded. I don’t think he was retarded.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I thought you guys might find this… interesting.

I fix computers for a living as most of the standbys here know and the last 3 days was a first for me.

This guy got one of my fliers on his door and called Tuesday for me to fix his machine which sounded like it was infested with various malware as many are nowadays.

He brings it to my house, I take the drive and put it in an external rig on one of my Linux boxes to backup his data before I slam the drive. What do I find, but the most nauseating collection of pix and flix featuring very VERY young boys engaged in all manner of adult activity… with each other.

Needless to say I’m sitting there aghast with 1000 thoughts streaming through my head not the least of which is how the hell do I handle this.

Do I finish the job, give it back to him and call the authorities? Do I put in a different drive and give them his? If I give it back and especially if I take money from this guy do I stand to be accused of trafficking in child pornography?

What if he gets a crack defense attorney who tries to say that I put it on his machine? The ISP logs should handle that I thought.

I decided to call the Detroit field office of the FBI Tuesday night and told the switchboard person what the situation was and she took all the information.

The special agent in charge of this stuff for Detroit called me the next morning. She says I did the right thing by stopping right where I was, not altering the drive and calling them and makes arrangements to come to my house.

Wednesday morning Mulder and Scully show up at my house. A big tall guy and a short small woman looking every bit like FBI agents.

They say they can’t view the drive without my statement and a court order. They ask and I answer all the questions you would imagine would be asked. I give them the drive, the machine, pictures of the guy from my surveillance cameras and the contact information he gave me.

I’m supposed to take the machine back later that day, but they say that they can’t get the judge to issue the order until the next day, today. They ask if I think I can convincingly put the guy off until today without raising suspicions which I was successful in doing.

This morning they call back and say they got the court order, have viewed the material, it is definitely a federal offense and could I go ahead and make arrangements to return the machine at which time they instead of I would show up at his house.

I called him back and made arrangements to return his machine this afternoon, called them back and told them when. They went there with their warrants and arrested him.

I guess when you do this kind of work you have it in the back of your mind that this kind of thing could happen, but I was not planning on this at all and it was a bit harrowing having the feds at your house and setting somebody up like this.

The bottom line is who knows what somebody like this could do or maybe has already done and I wouldn’t be able to live with myself if I later found out that he was harming somebodies kids and I could have helped stop him, but didn’t as much as we do not need this complication in our life right now.

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Having pictures doesn’t make someone a criminal.

Those that took the pictures are still out there taking pictures because there is a demand for it…

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[quote]Big Aristotle wrote:
There is something seriously twisted about a grown man if he gets off to kiddie porn.[/quote]

He probably was also abused.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Having pictures doesn’t make someone a criminal.

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Actually, it does.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Strange. Who would send a computer to be fixed that had crap like that on it?

Someone who desperately wanted to watch their kiddy porn, but were too stupid to fix it themselves.

BBB

Someone who wanted to get caught but was too timid to turn himself in?

It just seems really odd. I would be thinking someone was trying to set me up. Because of that, I can understand why some people might not report it…ie everyone doesn’t trust the police OR guys with shady shit on their computers.[/quote]

I think a lot of these people know what they do and simply cannot help themselves.

This might be a very roundabout way of stopping themselves, which they cannot do on their own?

If I was a technician I would not look at private files anyway.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Strange. Who would send a computer to be fixed that had crap like that on it?

Someone who desperately wanted to watch their kiddy porn, but were too stupid to fix it themselves.

BBB

Someone who wanted to get caught but was too timid to turn himself in?

It just seems really odd. I would be thinking someone was trying to set me up. Because of that, I can understand why some people might not report it…ie everyone doesn’t trust the police OR guys with shady shit on their computers.[/quote]

I understand your point, but if you had had the conversations with this guy you would see how unlikely that was. Besides, were both white and everybody knows white guys only ever set up black guys.

I couldn’t help myself =]

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[quote]dwilliams wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Having pictures doesn’t make someone a criminal.

Actually, it does.
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Well no actually it doesn’t.

Crimes are committed against people. The person who took the pictures committed the crime. Having the pictures is not.

Orion, has already explained why that is true.

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[quote]orion wrote:
If I was a technician I would not look at private files anyway.
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Good point. That isn’t what Trib was getting paid to do and he could find himself in a lawsuit for violating this person’s privacy if the man is acquitted.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Strange. Who would send a computer to be fixed that had crap like that on it?

Someone who desperately wanted to watch their kiddy porn, but were too stupid to fix it themselves.

BBB

Someone who wanted to get caught but was too timid to turn himself in?

It just seems really odd. I would be thinking someone was trying to set me up. Because of that, I can understand why some people might not report it…ie everyone doesn’t trust the police OR guys with shady shit on their computers.

I think a lot of these people know what they do and simply cannot help themselves.

This might be a very roundabout way of stopping themselves, which they cannot do on their own?

If I was a technician I would not look at private files anyway.

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Agreed. I’ve had my computer worked on. I guess he went through the Sergio Oliva pics on my computer and now thinks I’m gay.

Drat.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
dwilliams wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Having pictures doesn’t make someone a criminal.

Actually, it does.

Well no actually it doesn’t.

Crimes are committed against people. The person who took the pictures committed the crime. Having the pictures is not.

Orion, has already explained why that is true.[/quote]

If you know that child porn is on your computer then possession of child pornography is a crime in the United States. It isn’t a crime if you are unaware of the images.