Kid Kills 4 DD, No Jail Time

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[quote]orion wrote:
I have a somewhat on topic question:

Sometimes I want to change the lane and I have someone driving next to me.

If I speed up, they speed up.

If I slow down because I dont care who is in front, I just want to change the lane, they slow down too.

What is up with that?[/quote]

that is how they show who is the alpha.
had a guy do that to me when I was trying to move out of the way of an ambulance. I had to slam on my breaks to get behind him and out of the way. there was a cop behind the ambulance that saw the whole thing. it was fun seeing him face down on his hood getting handcuffed.

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[quote]orion wrote:
I have a somewhat on topic question:

Sometimes I want to change the lane and I have someone driving next to me.

If I speed up, they speed up.

If I slow down because I dont care who is in front, I just want to change the lane, they slow down too.

What is up with that?[/quote]

That’s the kind of shit that causes road rage.

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[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
Kids don’t understand how much attention is required to drive well and avoid others who are irresponsible on the road. Driving on the road is insane when you think it is about pure trust that others are going to be as responsible as you are. [/quote]

This. So much this.

I was once having a conversation with my mom, who was in the passenger seat, and almost ran into the car in front of me because I didn’t pay attention.

Made me realize just how even a moment of inattention is enough to cause something. I rarely carry any conversation of importance with passengers now. Just the act of talking about something even remotely important is enough of a distraction imo.

Also regularly have to avoid being narrowly hit by someone else who clearly isn’t paying attention to wtf is going on in the next fucking lane. It’s absurd how poorly people drive. I’ve had my butt saved multiple times by my dad’s simple advice of avoiding having cars next to you if you can manage it. So many people just veer in without paying attention to cars accelerating/decelerating/whether there are cars in the next lane to begin with.[/quote]

+3

It feels like I’m avoiding a bad driver almost EVERY day. Its hard to fathom how I’ve not had a small accident given some of what I’ve seen… and I don’t drive that much.

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There is a way to force time to mature kids on the road. It is through policy in regard to licensing. This is what British Columbia does.

http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/new-drivers/glp

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
The driving standards need to be raised in this country. A well trained monkey could get license, and between the elderly and teens it’s amazing there are not more deaths. [/quote]

Penalties for driving without a license should be raised.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
My kid is sixteen right now and I am actually making him wait to get his license. With more cars on the road than ever and with technology (cell phones, etc…) use far greater than it was when we (I’m 40) had growing up and driving back in the day, I don’t think teenagers should be allowed to drive. They don’t have the judgement/restraint for the amount of responsibility that driving entails these days. If you are going to be responsible for other people’s lives (i.e. everyone sharing the road with you), then you should be an adult.

We all did dumb shit when we were sixteen. But now more than ever, the accountability piece is missing with many of the younger generation today. Today’s teenagers behind the wheel scares me. Many of them have little to no common sense or even a concept of what good judgement is. A few more years will give their brains time to mature a bit and make safer decisions over all. I say raise the driving age to 18, the age of majority. Then let them be accountable for ALL of their actions.

Killing four people and getting off scott free because you are a minor is bullshit.[/quote]

Don’t have kids so take it for what it’s worth but wouldn’t prevention of learning life lessons ultimately cause immaturity?

And serious question…do you really think your kid is going to be more responsible driving at 18 then he would be at 16? 2 years difference but what really changes in his life? He bangs more girls, moves a couple of grades higher in school, starts on a varsity team, starts looking at colleges, might have a couple more hours at his part time job…

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
Don’t have kids so take it for what it’s worth but wouldn’t prevention of learning life lessons ultimately cause immaturity?

And serious question…do you really think your kid is going to be more responsible driving at 18 then he would be at 16? 2 years difference but what really changes in his life?[/quote]

These two are connected so I just split the quotes up.

In general, yes, 18 is more mature than 16. 16 year olds are significantly more self-absorbed and lack certain mental maturity that 18 and over will generally have. This is scientifically established by academia, so take it for what its worth.

That being said, the way you educated your child and his life experiences will probably trump supposed development and maturation of the brain. If you instilled in your child for most of his/her life to be responsible for his/her actions and be accountable, while simultaneously giving him/her enough room to experiment and make mistakes, while also being fair to them when you deal with said mistakes, and also assuming that your child is actually a good listener and doesn’t go through horrendous puberty (oh man, a lot of hard to achieve stuff, huh?), then they’ll probably be a better judge of situations than those raised otherwise.

This is why I really do not like modern Korean/East Asian style of education/child rearing. There is no room for the child to experiment or develop on their own path. Everything is regimented and anything that opposes the adult will be smashed to bits with an iron fist.

Not that Western methods are any better (except for those rare enlightened parents who just do parenting right, but those are rare in both cultures), but people enamored with the East Asian methods really have no idea what they’re talking about. They didn’t grow up in it.

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I think marrot is one of those iconoclasts that just likes to go against everyone else so they don’t feel like they are sheep. Or basically a shit disturber. Or troll.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
The driving standards need to be raised in this country. A well trained monkey could get license, and between the elderly and teens it’s amazing there are not more deaths. [/quote]

Penalties for driving without a license should be raised. [/quote]

Agreed, people need to understand that driving is not your right. The problem is our society is 100% reliant on personal transportation. I know in some cities you can walk and use public transport, but for an overwhelming majority of the country they have to drive everywhere. I personally hate it, and wish i could walk everywhere.

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Many things could be blamed for what has happened. The education system, that he can drive at 16, the guy who gave him the alcohol and what not. The fact is that 5 people are dead. DEAD for fuck’s sake because of his stupidity. Fucking therapy is not going to change that. If something, it will teach him that daddy and his connections are always there for him and if you have enough money, you can do anything. Throw his ass jail and forget that piece of crap was ever born. I have met people like him. They are USELESS.

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
My kid is sixteen right now and I am actually making him wait to get his license. With more cars on the road than ever and with technology (cell phones, etc…) use far greater than it was when we (I’m 40) had growing up and driving back in the day, I don’t think teenagers should be allowed to drive. They don’t have the judgement/restraint for the amount of responsibility that driving entails these days. If you are going to be responsible for other people’s lives (i.e. everyone sharing the road with you), then you should be an adult.

We all did dumb shit when we were sixteen. But now more than ever, the accountability piece is missing with many of the younger generation today. Today’s teenagers behind the wheel scares me. Many of them have little to no common sense or even a concept of what good judgement is. A few more years will give their brains time to mature a bit and make safer decisions over all. I say raise the driving age to 18, the age of majority. Then let them be accountable for ALL of their actions.

Killing four people and getting off scott free because you are a minor is bullshit.[/quote]

Don’t have kids so take it for what it’s worth but wouldn’t prevention of learning life lessons ultimately cause immaturity?

And serious question…do you really think your kid is going to be more responsible driving at 18 then he would be at 16? 2 years difference but what really changes in his life? He bangs more girls, moves a couple of grades higher in school, starts on a varsity team, starts looking at colleges, might have a couple more hours at his part time job…[/quote]

I don’t agree with making them wait until 18 to drive, but the difference in maturity between 16 and eighteen is enormous. Shit, for both my daughters there was a huge difference just in the transition from 14 to 15.

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If his defense is affluenza, then why aren’t his parents being charged as accessories?

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
If his defense is affluenza, then why aren’t his parents being charged as accessories?[/quote]

Thank you!

He should be in rehab and his parents should be serving his sentence.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
If his defense is affluenza, then why aren’t his parents being charged as accessories?[/quote]

Thank you!

He should be in rehab and his parents should be serving his sentence.
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They should ALL be behind bars. But seriously, if affluenza is indeed some sort of “legit” affliction, don’t his parents bear responsibility for willingly giving it to him? How about criminal negligence?

And for those who don’t think that putting this kid behind bars will do him any good, so fucking what? The prison system doesn’t exist to rehabilitate people. It exists in order to remove people who clearly aren’t capable of functioning within a normal society. Why should we waste our time with someone dumb enough to get behind the wheel after drinking? The legal system does not exist to protect criminals from themselves or to “fix” them. It exists simply to remove those people from society so that people like myself, who understand the concept of a social contract (which this little shithead egregiously broke the terms of), have a slightly better chance of going through life without running into people who are criminals.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
If his defense is affluenza, then why aren’t his parents being charged as accessories?[/quote]

Well, they had the best lawyer possible, got in the ear of the judge and a fat envelope of cash was passed under the table at some point. Justice for the wealthy was served.

Any other kid from a middle class family would be doing at least 4-6 with a probable lifetime license revocation.

Rob

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[quote]silverblood wrote:

[quote]marrot wrote:
I don’t understand. What are you going to do, kill the teen too? Is jail time going to bring anyone back? Here:

Kid kills 4 in accident

A: Punish him however, ruin/end his life even more than it is now. Cool.

B: Send him to rehab, in the process gain some understanding of what made him do this and human behavior as a whole (not just some overgeneralized tabloid soundbite like “affluenza”), then instead of wasting time with hour long health class DARE sessions where Officer DoRight comes in with a breathalizer and mouthwash, we pick out the specific troubled kids, put them on the right path, and prevent more loss.

People just like being mad. Affluenza? We’re in America, we all have affluenza. If you’re reading this you’re already in the top 10% of the planet’s wealth.

Go ahead and send him to jail. That’ll for sure show every other wealthy teenager who right now is shitfaced drunk getting a blowjob going 120 mph down the highway at 3AM and doesn’t give a shit about news stories like this. They’re just gonna go on their phone and read the article and say “My God. I need to be more responsible! Stop sucking my dick, I’m taking you home now!”.

TL;DR: It’s tragic. Four people died, and those families and communities will never be the same. It is sickening indeed. But nothing is gained by punishing the child.[/quote]

so it’s cool if he rapes your 4yr old kid sister? OK if he walks up to you and gut shoots you with a 22lr and lets you lay on the side of the road?
you da man![/quote]

What does that have to do with anything??? You’re quite the weirdo!

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[quote]GivehertheD wrote:

[quote]silverblood wrote:

[quote]marrot wrote:
I don’t understand. What are you going to do, kill the teen too? Is jail time going to bring anyone back? Here:

Kid kills 4 in accident

A: Punish him however, ruin/end his life even more than it is now. Cool.

B: Send him to rehab, in the process gain some understanding of what made him do this and human behavior as a whole (not just some overgeneralized tabloid soundbite like “affluenza”), then instead of wasting time with hour long health class DARE sessions where Officer DoRight comes in with a breathalizer and mouthwash, we pick out the specific troubled kids, put them on the right path, and prevent more loss.

People just like being mad. Affluenza? We’re in America, we all have affluenza. If you’re reading this you’re already in the top 10% of the planet’s wealth.

Go ahead and send him to jail. That’ll for sure show every other wealthy teenager who right now is shitfaced drunk getting a blowjob going 120 mph down the highway at 3AM and doesn’t give a shit about news stories like this. They’re just gonna go on their phone and read the article and say “My God. I need to be more responsible! Stop sucking my dick, I’m taking you home now!”.

TL;DR: It’s tragic. Four people died, and those families and communities will never be the same. It is sickening indeed. But nothing is gained by punishing the child.[/quote]

so it’s cool if he rapes your 4yr old kid sister? OK if he walks up to you and gut shoots you with a 22lr and lets you lay on the side of the road?
you da man![/quote]

What does that have to do with anything??? You’re quite the weirdo!

[/quote]

Did you read what marrot wrote?

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[quote]GivehertheD wrote:

[quote]silverblood wrote:

[quote]marrot wrote:
I don’t understand. What are you going to do, kill the teen too? Is jail time going to bring anyone back? Here:

Kid kills 4 in accident

A: Punish him however, ruin/end his life even more than it is now. Cool.

B: Send him to rehab, in the process gain some understanding of what made him do this and human behavior as a whole (not just some overgeneralized tabloid soundbite like “affluenza”), then instead of wasting time with hour long health class DARE sessions where Officer DoRight comes in with a breathalizer and mouthwash, we pick out the specific troubled kids, put them on the right path, and prevent more loss.

People just like being mad. Affluenza? We’re in America, we all have affluenza. If you’re reading this you’re already in the top 10% of the planet’s wealth.

Go ahead and send him to jail. That’ll for sure show every other wealthy teenager who right now is shitfaced drunk getting a blowjob going 120 mph down the highway at 3AM and doesn’t give a shit about news stories like this. They’re just gonna go on their phone and read the article and say “My God. I need to be more responsible! Stop sucking my dick, I’m taking you home now!”.

TL;DR: It’s tragic. Four people died, and those families and communities will never be the same. It is sickening indeed. But nothing is gained by punishing the child.[/quote]

so it’s cool if he rapes your 4yr old kid sister? OK if he walks up to you and gut shoots you with a 22lr and lets you lay on the side of the road?
you da man![/quote]

What does that have to do with anything??? You’re quite the weirdo!

[/quote]

He’s saying a crime is a crime is a crime. The kid did bad, period. I’m sure at his age he knows that killing people is bad, and driving down the road can kill people. He probably also knows that being drunk impedes reactions time and judgement. He’s probably aware that drunk driving is bad, etc. The kid fucking knew what could happen. I understand that a 21 year old is more mature than a 16 year old, but whether you’re 21 or 16, going to jail ruins your life. Yet, there have been plenty of individuals that have had their lives ruined for less. Saying this kid suffers from affluenza is like saying some black kid from a ghetto who kills someone to join a gang suffers from extreme peer pressure or whatever. Yeah, their environment sucked and ruined their upbringing, but those are the cards you’re dealt.

He took the risk; he gambled and lost. He should be rehabilitated in jail, and when he gets out, maybe mommy and daddy can help him get a job.

Also, If it was your family that had been directly affected, you’d be singing a different tune.