I did 100mg split into 3 injections a week, didn’t change anything. E2 was still high, and would be even higher on 120mg a week. Daily dosing didn’t seem to change E2 compared to E3d, but I’d still prefer daily just because I’m used to it, and beleive it gives more stable levels
Keep us posted.
My current protocol is the exact same as your new one. I’ve been slowly lowering as well, and i can tell you, i feel better on the lower dose. Better speaking. Clearer thoughts and better sleep. Oh, and a little bit of libido actually. And Pde5s work a LOT better. Always nighttime erections as well.
My concern is that by lowering the test dose so much to keep the E2 in line, am i also going to lose the test effects? I see you may introduce nandrolone (i know nothing about it). So i may, at some point, go back up to say 50mg e3d and run a little ai.
Wait, 84mg run divided daily?
I will, and I don’t know much about nandrolone either, but the guy at defy said nandrolone was just recently approved for TRT a while back. It’s my first time ever hearing about it. And yes 84mg per week. I only did 84mg rather than 80 or 90 so it’s easier to draw that exact amount on my syringes. 84mg a week, is the 0.06 mark on my 1mL syringes. My test cyp is 200mg per 1mL, so I’m taking 0.42 mL a week. Pretty sure I did that math right
Ok, so you’re doing 12mg daily.
I do 42mg e3d.
The daily thing for me increased E2 a lot, even though i dropped dosage down. Didn’t like it at all.
That’s weird, but again everyone is different, for me it didn’t seem to make my E2 lower or higher, but I do think it did increase my TT more than If I did the same amount e3d. I’ve read on some other posts that when on dailies you don’t have to account for the drop off of the T cyp, so some say you should lower that dose by some percentage to account for the lack of troughs. I don’t know how true it is, but my 3 month test on 100mg e3d was like 450 TT and then my next test on 100mg ED my TT was 650. I don’t know if it was because my body has more time to build up my levels, or if is the fact that I don’t have a trough like some say.
How long did it take you after lowering your dose to notice benefits?
You could be like me possibly, you may aromatize a ton. If you can somehow get more info on nandrolone, and someone to prescribe it willingly, could be worth a shot. This is assuming that lowering your dose is working still. I’m not doing anything until 8 weeks is up on this lower dose and I get labs done.
That makes no sense. Levels taken at trough on 100mg/week a full 7 days after last injection and comparing it to levels on daily shots taken a day after an injection are two completely different things. 220mg once a week had my total T at less than 1000 at trough. 185mg split into daily injections has my total T levels close to 2000. You can’t compare the two the way you did and make any sense of it. Did lowering my dose give me a 100% hormone increase by your logic?
@kgoggs
My man, you need to lose weight. Until I got below 20% bf i didn’t get much from TRT.
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That’s what he said:
So I guess he was doing EOD at least.
@kgoggs?
The problem is he’s fat. He gained 30 lbs in 3 months. There’s no way even a majority of that is muscle. Being fat while on hormones is a recipe for feeling like crap. I’m guessing when he was 16-19 and on 50mg he was not fat or at least less fat. Maybe he was fat then but was only taking 50mg so it wasn’t enough to do much.
I lost 60 pounds on 100mg a week, after I started 150mg a week, I gained 30 pounds back. Those 3 months were the 3 months I was on 150mg
I know I do, and I was doing really well until I started 150mg, it got harder to lose weight, easier to put on and I felt worse and started craving sugar and shitty food.
So 150mg made you fat or you ate like crap while on 150mg, gained 30 lbs in 3 months and got fat? Sounds like your diet is what is hindering any positive gains from TRT.
Look at my pics. When I was 30 pounds overweight I felt like shit. I was put on 220mg and felt like shit. Was told by folks here to drop it to 100mg. Still felt like shit. I lost the weight and upped my dose and now feel amazing at 200mg. The issue is I was fat and being fat while on TRT causes problems.
You stated you got nothing from 100mg so you went to 150mg. So it doesn’t sound like you felt well before you got on 150mg.
I didn’t get any mental benefits from either dose. 100mg a week, I was losing weight and craving less shitty food at least, when I went up to 150mg I kept the same diet and kept running and doing the same amount of activity, but I gained weight every week, and it got harder and harder. Yes I know weight is a factor, and I want to lose but it seems alot harder now than it was. I said the ONLY benefits I’ve gotten have been physical, the only real benefit I feel like I see, is more body hair growth at 150mg than 100mg. Other than that everything seems to have gone downhill. I’ll have to convince the doc at defy to agree with me increasing, because he told me my levels are too high, and wanted lower dosing. His exact words were my T levels were too high and my E2 was WAY too high. Not sure what he will say about increasing it instead especially since I’m refusing AI.
The problem is that’s not how it works. Getting on T initially can cause you to gain water weight (not anywhere near 30 lbs) that will dissipate on its own but you were on T before 150mg. You gained 30 lbs because you ate crap. Go to the pharma section and look at folks running 500mg. They don’t gain 30 lbs unless they eat crap. If you took 500mg but ate the same amount as on 100mg you wouldn’t gain a ton of weight if any. It will help you build muscle but you have to intake a lot of extra food to attain that new muscle. Diet determines weight gain or loss.
Your issue is your bf% and TRT isn’t going to help much mentally until you get that under control. It will only make things worse. Take whatever dose you want but until you lower bf you will have a hard time feeling optimal.
I agree with you he needs to lose weight, but that’s not what we were arguing at that time.
I was trying to tell him a 10% of dose increase doesn’t correspond to to a 10% Total T increase. It’s not linear.
The guy who has the blog moreplatesmoredates.com, showed with lab work that 100 mg daily put his total T at 500. A 25 mg increase corresponded to a total T of 1100. Both protocols were on daily injections of propionate.
So you are calling him out saying he’s lying?
Because he’s been telling you his diet and exercise routine has been the same on both doses.
Yes. Sorry I thought that was obvious . He states he craves crap food, recently lost 60 lbs (obviously he has issues with food that predate TRT) and immediately in a 3 month period gains back 30 lbs and states nothing changed. That and the fact that a 50mg increase in testosterone by itself especially at such low doses would not cause a 30 lb weight gain. It’s pretty obvious what is going on… Even if the pharmacy conspired against him and added 50mg of Dbol in his Testosterone he still likely wouldn’t gain 30 lbs. To gain 30 lbs you need to eat more food than you ate 30 lbs ago. Even if he accidentally took 300mg/week and didn’t change anything else he wouldn’t gain 30 lbs.
Do you believe (for someone eating remotely healthy) a 50mg increase of Testosterone at a total of 150mg dose with no other variables changed and can cause someone to gain 30 lbs in 3 months?
I still think SHBG is a big factor. Regardless of my weight, I need less T because less is bound up. Same goes for E2. I truly believe that I don’t need as much T as others because more of it it is free for my body to use. So I think at some point, the excess testosterone isn’t helping me anymore than a lower amount would, but the rising E2 would still give me negative effects, and as it rises it would keep negating the testosterone effects, when the same rise in test isn’t doing much for me.