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[quote]randomonymous wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
OP:

It takes two to get along.

It takes only one to make things ugly.

While your focus on the welfare of your kids is admirable, it is also a weakness she can (and most likely will), exploit.

As long as you are not willing to walk away, walk away from all of it, the way things are, she can always use your kids against you.

Unless you are willing to live a life where she uses your kids against you in a hostage taking scenario, at least pretend to not give a fuck.

Yeah, that is kind of fucked up. [/quote]

This is not another “who cares least wins.” Your take on it is entirely fucked up.

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There are 2 ways to take Orion’s point of view. Initially i read it as a “don’t care about it, that is the best revenge, just walk away from EVERYTHING(including the kids”. If that is the intent of what he is saying, then I respectfully but 100% DISAGREE with that being the only solution. Plus it would destroy everything I am trying to build for and show my daughters, which is unconditional love. Now the second way to take it, with me being optimistic of Orions intent in his message, I hope he meant be willing to walk away from all the material stuff, and the wife, so she has no leverage, since the courts will decide upon custody, not her.[/quote]

The problem is, she most likely will get the kids.

At that moment she has the leverage to make you jump through any hoop she wants you to jump through.

You might be willing to drink a gallon of piss every morning for the wellbeing of your children, but you cannot let her know that.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
OP:

It takes two to get along.

It takes only one to make things ugly.

While your focus on the welfare of your kids is admirable, it is also a weakness she can (and most likely will), exploit.

As long as you are not willing to walk away, walk away from all of it, the way things are, she can always use your kids against you.

Unless you are willing to live a life where she uses your kids against you in a hostage taking scenario, at least pretend to not give a fuck.

Yeah, that is kind of fucked up. [/quote]

This is not another “who cares least wins.” Your take on it is entirely fucked up.

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That is exactly what it is.

And, neither I, nor my take on it, is fucked up for seeing it the way it is.

One could decry the way our societies have set things up, but what good would it do?

Personally, if I was in that position, I would resort to using relentless terror.

Probably.

There is a reason why I dont get into that position, because if the justice system would be against me and public opinion would be against me and I would have no socially sanctioned recourse whatsoever I would most likely turn to the dark arts.

If I ever had children, noone would take them away from me.

Noone.

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And…SCENE!

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I can’t speak for all states, but I know that in PA, whoever files for custody first gets custody of the children until an agreement is reached. I would look into that if I were you.

My ex and I had a amicable divorce and it was a given that I had primary custody (he has open visitation, but has no desire for more, which made it easy). We only used an attorney to file the divorce paperwork so I did all of the custody/support stuff myself with LegalZoom. We had the custody and support agreements ironed out for almost 2 years before we got around to officially filing the divorce paperwork. What I am saying is, be proactive. Contact child services and see what has to be done and get that shit nailed down. You don’t need an attorney to file for custody. Do that first and then worry about the ensuing fight. Just my 2 cents.

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[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
I can’t speak for all states, but I know that in PA, whoever files for custody first gets custody of the children until an agreement is reached. I would look into that if I were you.

My ex and I had a amicable divorce and it was a given that I had primary custody (he has open visitation, but has no desire for more, which made it easy). We only used an attorney to file the divorce paperwork so I did all of the custody/support stuff myself with LegalZoom. We had the custody and support agreements ironed out for almost 2 years before we got around to officially filing the divorce paperwork. What I am saying is, be proactive. Contact child services and see what has to be done and get that shit nailed down. You don’t need an attorney to file for custody. Do that first and then worry about the ensuing fight. Just my 2 cents.

http://singleparents.about.com/od/financialhelp/tp/help-for-single-parents-in-every-state.htm[/quote]
Hey thanks for the site, i’ll take a look at it. I already contacted a lawyer. meeting tomorrow.

Edit:Glad you two could settle amicably. It is just not possible in this case.

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[quote]randomonymous wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
I can’t speak for all states, but I know that in PA, whoever files for custody first gets custody of the children until an agreement is reached. I would look into that if I were you.

My ex and I had a amicable divorce and it was a given that I had primary custody (he has open visitation, but has no desire for more, which made it easy). We only used an attorney to file the divorce paperwork so I did all of the custody/support stuff myself with LegalZoom. We had the custody and support agreements ironed out for almost 2 years before we got around to officially filing the divorce paperwork. What I am saying is, be proactive. Contact child services and see what has to be done and get that shit nailed down. You don’t need an attorney to file for custody. Do that first and then worry about the ensuing fight. Just my 2 cents.

http://singleparents.about.com/od/financialhelp/tp/help-for-single-parents-in-every-state.htm[/quote]
Hey thanks for the site, i’ll take a look at it. I already contacted a lawyer. meeting tomorrow.

Edit:Glad you two could settle amicably. It is just not possible in this case.[/quote]

I hope my statement about my own divorce did not come across as judgmental. I think I started writing with a point about how I am by no means an expert at these matters and while it might have been easy for me, I cannot speak on how a situation such as first filing would work in a more complicated case. Unfortunately, it kinda came across a bit more holier than thou than I meant it to be. I apologize if you took it that way.

The point I mostly wanted to get across was that custody was something you should jump on immediately and not wait for an attorney to at least file. But, seeing as you are meeting with one today, the entire point was moot.

Best of luck :slight_smile:

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I feel for you buddy. I hope it all turns out well for you and the kids.

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[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

[quote]randomonymous wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
I can’t speak for all states, but I know that in PA, whoever files for custody first gets custody of the children until an agreement is reached. I would look into that if I were you.

My ex and I had a amicable divorce and it was a given that I had primary custody (he has open visitation, but has no desire for more, which made it easy). We only used an attorney to file the divorce paperwork so I did all of the custody/support stuff myself with LegalZoom. We had the custody and support agreements ironed out for almost 2 years before we got around to officially filing the divorce paperwork. What I am saying is, be proactive. Contact child services and see what has to be done and get that shit nailed down. You don’t need an attorney to file for custody. Do that first and then worry about the ensuing fight. Just my 2 cents.

http://singleparents.about.com/od/financialhelp/tp/help-for-single-parents-in-every-state.htm[/quote]
Hey thanks for the site, i’ll take a look at it. I already contacted a lawyer. meeting tomorrow.

Edit:Glad you two could settle amicably. It is just not possible in this case.[/quote]

I hope my statement about my own divorce did not come across as judgmental. I think I started writing with a point about how I am by no means an expert at these matters and while it might have been easy for me, I cannot speak on how a situation such as first filing would work in a more complicated case. Unfortunately, it kinda came across a bit more holier than thou than I meant it to be. I apologize if you took it that way.

The point I mostly wanted to get across was that custody was something you should jump on immediately and not wait for an attorney to at least file. But, seeing as you are meeting with one today, the entire point was moot.

Best of luck :slight_smile:

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No worries, I don’t think you came across negatively at all. Thanks for the feedback, it makes it easier to deal with it all by just getting different perspectives.

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Hello

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any update good sir?

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not sure you have access to her facebook, but if so activity log->search. Keep track of the odd times on stuff. Compare to phone calls and texts if you have cell provider account access. searching messages will show more than people realize bc people forget the amount of shit saved on there. Iphones have a ghost log of all texts on certain models. typing in divorce could give you a hint of something on there, even if it’s deleted, it shows a snip (and who she talks to about that, most importantly).

If she has an android phone and you have her google account info then you have a gold mine of info, and can even track location without it being known. If all’s bad then you can get a cheap inactive smart phone charged in a weird spot recording audio and video, that can upload them to dropbox via wifi. If she’s clueless then something right on the desktop cpu, but if you get caught she has leverage over you and will be on to you.

Keep your cool, and even act more lovely than usual maybe, lol.

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[quote]Highjumper wrote:
any update good sir?[/quote]
Bump for two-month update

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Dude is most like either:
A.) In Jail,
B.) Chained up in a hotel bathroom with a ball-gag strapped in his mouth, or
C.) A Troll and not returning

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Fuck I read this whole thread for it to end with no conclusion. Well fuck me. Hopefully usmccds423 that asshole is all three of those. In jail chained to the bathroom gag in mouth getting raped by a troll never to return to this forum. That would be a slap on the wrist for the sort of build up/anti climax this fucker just pulled on me. Next time I am skipping straight to the end and Quitin Tarentino’ing the thread.

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[quote]A-rod wrote:
Fuck I read this whole thread for it to end with no conclusion. Well fuck me. Hopefully usmccds423 that asshole is all three of those. In jail chained to the bathroom gag in mouth getting raped by a troll never to return to this forum. That would be a slap on the wrist for the sort of build up/anti climax this fucker just pulled on me. Next time I am skipping straight to the end and Quitin Tarentino’ing the thread.[/quote]

Lol, ya these threads come and go on here.

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Sorry forgot about this. Let me read up on what you guys wrote, then I’ll respond.

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Ok so I filed a few weeks ago, had her served. Didn’t give her a reason why, just that I want a divorce. She did admit that she had been thinking of divorce as well, but was going to wait until after the family vacation this summer(do this every year with her side of the family). Pleaded with me to not go through lawyers. I politely refused.

She then said I had to move out, which I also politely disagreed to. I got a VERY good lawyer. She got a lawyer just the other day, pro bono. As far as the home situation, I have not left. She hasn’t moved out either, but is only home about 2 nights a week. The initial hearing is in a few weeks. I have been keeping two journals in the meantime. One is detailing what the kids and I do when we are together. the other is a history of her activity, comments, behavior.

I do also have printed proof of her infidelity, but I am just keeping that on the back burner for now, because it might not hold much weight(legally. personally, it holds a lot of weight)

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Well that sucks

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I take back those mean things I said about you Rando.

[quote]randomonymous wrote:
Ok so I filed a few weeks ago, had her served. Didn’t give her a reason why, just that I want a divorce. She did admit that she had been thinking of divorce as well, but was going to wait until after the family vacation this summer(do this every year with her side of the family). Pleaded with me to not go through lawyers. I politely refused.

She then said I had to move out, which I also politely disagreed to. I got a VERY good lawyer. She got a lawyer just the other day, pro bono. As far as the home situation, I have not left. She hasn’t moved out either, but is only home about 2 nights a week. The initial hearing is in a few weeks. I have been keeping two journals in the meantime. One is detailing what the kids and I do when we are together. the other is a history of her activity, comments, behavior.

I do also have printed proof of her infidelity, but I am just keeping that on the back burner for now, because it might not hold much weight(legally. personally, it holds a lot of weight)[/quote]

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[quote]A-rod wrote:
I take back those mean things I said about you Rando.

[quote]randomonymous wrote:
Ok so I filed a few weeks ago, had her served. Didn’t give her a reason why, just that I want a divorce. She did admit that she had been thinking of divorce as well, but was going to wait until after the family vacation this summer(do this every year with her side of the family). Pleaded with me to not go through lawyers. I politely refused.

She then said I had to move out, which I also politely disagreed to. I got a VERY good lawyer. She got a lawyer just the other day, pro bono. As far as the home situation, I have not left. She hasn’t moved out either, but is only home about 2 nights a week. The initial hearing is in a few weeks. I have been keeping two journals in the meantime. One is detailing what the kids and I do when we are together. the other is a history of her activity, comments, behavior.

I do also have printed proof of her infidelity, but I am just keeping that on the back burner for now, because it might not hold much weight(legally. personally, it holds a lot of weight)[/quote]
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It’s all good. It will be interesting to see her reaction when she eventually finds out what I know. And that I can print out the proof on paper. I won’t do it but I have played in my head the idea of throwing around the nicknames they had for each other in regular conversation. I don’t know if I mentioned it but he dumped her already and she is now onto someone else.