He’s beat him at every turn.
Intelligence is a funny thing ya know. Not always institutional in nature. There is something to life lessons and intuition.
I don’t get it. How can we possibly argue that the President of the U.S. is an idiot? Or even less than smart.
Let’s move on to something much more worth while.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Oh wait…you forgot: All of the old people will be living in the streets. AND IT’S ALL BUSH’S FAULT! LOL
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Actually, it’s likely to be most of us who will wind up living in the streets, not just the old people. The international economy is changing rapidly now. We’re used to having a sacrosanct dollar and the lion’s share of the natural resources. It’s not going to be working that way in future. There’s going to be a lot more global competition than in the past.
Is that Bush’s fault? No. But what is his fault is that so little is being done to position the country to compete.
World petroleum production is peaking: oil is going to become increasingly expensive. Encourage conservation? Incentive the big three to make hybrids? Hell no, let’s prattle about the Future of Hydrogen and give them a break on CAFE instead, and put some more tax discounts on trucks and SUVs. Alas, this did not save the SUV bacon. I gather GM now plans to lay off 25,000 workers over the next year.
No Child Left Behind could use some federal financing, the states are mostly too strapped to implement it. No dice, we’re too busy starving the beast.
Sure let’s fight an expensive and unnecessary war while we give tax cuts to the rich, some more tax cuts to the rich, and toss the citizenry a Medicare package that’s so expensive the truth can’t even be told about the bottom line while the thing is going through the Congress.
And just for ideological purity, let’s borrow another couple of trillion to make Social Security into the non-safety net it always should have been, if it hadn’t been for that evil Roosevelt guy and his New Deal.
Fiscal policy, wazzat?
Comparing Bush with Kerry is so last year, dudes. Comparing them on the basis of their college careers is truly stupid, real hide your head in the sand stuff. You don’t have to hate Bush for how stupid and ignorant he is. You can just hate his administration for what it’s not doing to strengthen the future of these United States.
Explains why Kerry went to either BU or BC Law, not Harvard or Yale. He must have really tanked LSAT to not get in to a “name” L or B school as a war protestor.
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
" There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things."
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He’s talking about the political reality of the situation, not the morally right thing to do.
[quote]loconnor29 wrote:
This whole debate is asinine. If you vote for a candidate on the basis of his undergraduate GPA, the country would be better off if you didn’t vote. John McCain is one of the finest public officials the United States has ever had and he finished close to the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy. There are far more important things in a leader than book smarts.[/quote]
Not only that, but you don’t get into medical, dental, law, or any other graduate school based on grades alone so why is anyone putting all focus on this? Any school of higher education puts focus on the student as a whole (especially lately)…how many extra-curricular activities they were involved in, do they show leadership qualities, do they work well in groups, how do the entrance exam scores match up with college performance. These are all the focus of most graduate schools regardless of what some may choose to believe. This is why none of this matters as far as one person making a “D”, especially if that individual was involved in other causes during the same time period and was able to pull their grades up after freshman year. My grades SUCKED in high school. I got to college and made Dean’s list every year afterwards. I sure as hell hope no one drags out my high school gpa to make a point about intelligence. It may have helped if I went to class.
Bottom line, this argument is retarded. Grades alone in college mean jack shit. I am more interested in what they did with their extra time. I would rather someone who made a 'C" but was involved in sports, student government, and outside community causes be chosen as a leader than someone who made a “C” yet just got drunk and high everyday. There is a huge difference and I see that article originally posted got into none of that.
[quote]loconnor29 wrote:
This whole debate is asinine. If you vote for a candidate on the basis of his undergraduate GPA, the country would be better off if you didn’t vote. John McCain is one of the finest public officials the United States has ever had and he finished close to the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy. There are far more important things in a leader than book smarts.[/quote]
Very true. Which is why I thought it was funny how many in the ABB crowd were so fixated on perceived flaws in Bush’s academic record throughout the entirety of the past two campaigns.
[quote]jackreape wrote:
Explains why Kerry went to either BU or BC Law, not Harvard or Yale. He must have really tanked LSAT to not get in to a “name” L or B school as a war protestor.[/quote]
He was already a celebrity in the anti-war crowd at that point, and had met and hung out with the Kennedys, whom one presumes would have put in a good word for him, so I agree doubly with this point.
[quote]vroom wrote:
How long ago was the most recent comparable test between the two anyway?
What do we have to go on, realistically, these day… anything at all?[/quote]
I think you are sort of missing the entire point. Kerry was supposed to be far superior intellectually!
Now it matters not if you go back to their college grades and they look about equal?
No wonder Kerry wouldn’t release the grades during the campaign. That would have blown his entire “I’m smart you are stupid” attack plan…
LOL I get a big kick out of Kerry!
[quote]endgamer711 wrote:
Comparing Bush with Kerry is so last year, dudes. Comparing them on the basis of their college careers is truly stupid, real hide your head in the sand stuff.[/quote]
Wrong!
We had to hear for the better part of one year how much smarter Kerry was than Bush.
Therefore, for the next few days you are going to have to hear about how, based upon their college grades that is just not the case!
I also remember SAT scores and military IQ tests being higher for GW Bush!
Why do these guys always want to change the conversation when it doesn’t come out the way they planned?
[quote]vroom wrote:
I’ll take Zeb’s answer here, the left probably does seriously underestimate the republican candidates. Well, either that or inflate their own.
The same is true the other way though.
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That right there tells me you’re not as balanced as you try to pretend.
Republicans have for years and years overestimated Dems.
The rank and file–hell, even the elected officials and party bosses.
If you actually tried to learn about the other side–instead of just tossing out a sop–you’d know this.
This isn’t an attack, vroom, it’s just a statement of fact as I see it.
Zeb, when are you going to realize its the same shit all the time, whether from left or right?
You sound so silly always trying to pin something on the evil left while the right is usually doing the exact same thing itself.
I would ask again, what, if anything, do you think the general public has with which to form an opinion of GW’s intelligence.
Rightly or wrongly, that is his television manner. Most of us, except for you and your visit to his neverland ranch as a child, have never met GW and really don’t have any inside information from which to form an opinion.
Given that, describe how intelligent he appears to the masses as he bumbles his way through his speeches.
This, I’m afraid, is the reality of the situation, so he’s going to be called a moron for the rest of his life, whether it is deserved or not.
Sorry. I know it troubles you to have your godlike hero thrashed in such a way…
[quote]Republicans have for years and years overestimated Dems.
The rank and file–hell, even the elected officials and party bosses.[/quote]
I’m not seeing that reflected in these parts Joe. Statements such that they are dumb enought to try to impeach GW with nothing but a single memo have abounded lately.
That’s overestimating?
Show me. Show me this overestimation that you talk of. I’m pretty convinced both parties play these silly reindeer games…
I think maybe thinking your party isn’t playing these games is a little bit of self-delusion on your part, not a bias on my part.
I grew up conservative, cheerleading Ronald Reagen, so I do have a bit of background with respect to being a sycophant for the party in power.
[Side Note: Please, readers our there, spare me the god awful quotes you think are so witty about who is a liberal or conservate and why they later change.]
So, in return, no attackage, but I think you are biased… and can’t see that both parties play the same games.
[quote]vroom wrote:
I would ask again, what, if anything, do you think the general public has with which to form an opinion of GW’s intelligence.
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So…beyond his grades, beyond his accomplishments (you tried becoming a jet fighter pilot? The great McCain crashed several planes in training. GWB never did), beyond becoming the first re-elected Republican govenor in forever in Texas, beyond being elected twice to POTUS…shit, beyond all this stuff you’re right…there’s nothing to judge him by.
Most people–not the my lib friends because they hate him just for the sake of hating–but most people get a charge out of the way he talks.
It makes us laugh. We also like that he makes jokes about it and himself (“been known to mangle a syll-ah-bull myself”) as opposed to say Kerry who falls on the bunny slope and then bitches out the Secret Service agent.
For the love of God vroom, let go of the hate!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
No wonder Kerry wouldn’t release the grades during the campaign. That would have blown his entire “I’m smart you are stupid” attack plan…
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I know I personally wasn’t voting on someone based on college grades so I couldn’t have cared less about him not releasing his. If anything, it seems like a move to avoid giving his opponents any more character assassination fire which they were happy to thrust around. This would have meant nothing to me in September and means nothing to me now.
In fact, if it does mean anything to you now, you seriously have issues.
Joe, there is no hate. Look, the stuff you typed isn’t really what the general public sees…
If the general public paid that much attention they wouldn’t fall for all the slanderous bullshit that occurs right at election time.
Joe, let go of the bias!
[quote]vroom wrote:
Why do these guys always want to change the conversation when it doesn’t come out the way they planned?
Zeb, when are you going to realize its the same shit all the time, whether from left or right?
You sound so silly always trying to pin something on the evil left while the right is usually doing the exact same thing itself.
I would ask again, what, if anything, do you think the general public has with which to form an opinion of GW’s intelligence.
Rightly or wrongly, that is his television manner. Most of us, except for you and your visit to his neverland ranch as a child, have never met GW and really don’t have any inside information from which to form an opinion.
Given that, describe how intelligent he appears to the masses as he bumbles his way through his speeches.
This, I’m afraid, is the reality of the situation, so he’s going to be called a moron for the rest of his life, whether it is deserved or not.
Sorry. I know it troubles you to have your godlike hero thrashed in such a way…[/quote]
vroom:
I know you like to play the antagonistic spoiled liberal brat (just agreeing with your own assesment), but you need to give it a break once in a while.
You are simply trying to change the conversation yet again. This thread is about Kerry not quite being up to par relative to his grades. And this after bragging about how “intelligent” he is compared to our “stupid” President (the third stupid President in a line starting with Ike the Reagan). There is irony here for all to see, well all but you. As a die hard ultra liberal I can’t imagine you ever giving credit to anyone on the right (or who is right for that matter).
I have started threads actually knocking the President on certain issues. Did you miss those oh liberal wonder boy? However, when it comes to intelligence, I think Bush is far and away smarter than he is given credit for, and certainly a whole lot smarter than a message board poster by the name of “vroom.” If you don’t believe me just compare lifetime accomplishments.
“Accomplishments do not mean you are smart…whaaaaaaa”
[quote]vroom wrote:
Joe, there is no hate. Look, the stuff you typed isn’t really what the general public sees…
So…beyond his grades, beyond his accomplishments (you tried becoming a jet fighter pilot? The great McCain crashed several planes in training. GWB never did), beyond becoming the first re-elected Republican govenor in forever in Texas, beyond being elected twice to POTUS…shit, beyond all this stuff you’re right…there’s nothing to judge him by.
If the general public paid that much attention they wouldn’t fall for all the slanderous bullshit that occurs right at election time.
Joe, let go of the bias![/quote]
Joe:
You have to remember the number one rule when it comes to the far left:
Their hate is something that they cling to hoping beyond hope that something bad will happen. It could be to the economy, or in Iraq, heck anywhere will do. Then they can blame Bush and will once again feel “empowered.”
At least until the next time Americans (which leaves out vroom) go to the polls!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You are simply trying to change the conversation yet again. This thread is about Kerry not quite being up to par relative to his grades. And this after bragging about how “intelligent” he is compared to our “stupid” President (the third stupid President in a line starting with Ike the Reagan). There is irony here for all to see, well all but you. As a die hard ultra liberal I can’t imagine you ever giving credit to anyone on the right (or who is right for that matter).
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The bad thing is, you actually believe this garbage. I know some truly dumb people who could study for an exam really well. I wouldn’t trust them with much outside of that, especially if it involved any amount of common sense. Grades in school do not judge intelligence. Period. No matter how you try to twist that, no one has based any concept of the president’s mental accuity on his ability to take a test in college.
Who gives a shit? ZEB, dont you have some pull ups to do?
Zeb, Joe,
I’m not trying to argue whether or not Bush is or isn’t intelligent. I hope you can see that.
The reality of the situation, as I see it, is that the general public does not care about this issue as deeply as most of us do. They don’t look deep enough to go back through historic grades and try to trump on anothers viewpoints with this stuff.
The general public will see the candidates on TV or on the news, hear a few sound bytes, then make up their minds about the candidates and about their votes – if they weren’t predecided from birth based on their upbringing.
To claim that its a liberal hate filled thing to claim the president is dumb, when he appears dumb when he is presented on television, is simply a mistake. So he isn’t really dumb. He looks dumb. He’s going to get called dumb.
I think the Kerry flip-flopping label is quite similar actually. Anyone who bothers to look into voting records, to find the underlying issues, will see that the flip-flopping isn’t an issue as it was held out to be. However, nobody really looks. Then, Kerry makes an unfortunate comment (on TV) and everyone holds it against him… look, look, he is a flip-flopper.
It’s the same damned thing. People go by what they actually see.
Bush isn’t “dumb”. Kerry isn’t a “flip-flopper”. Those are the caricatures that have stuck to these two clowns, whether you like, I like, they like it, or not.
Delude yourself into thinking this is some type of bias all you want. You are simply fighting against the world to try to change the worlds opinion of your demigod.
Nobody really cares guys. The next erection is a couple years away, and Bush isn’t running. Save up your angst for whoever the two new candidates end up being.