KD13 Not Very Strongman

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shoulder warm up

dips
+14kg 5x10

high incline
20kg dc rest pause
20/8/7

flys
2x12

parallet push ups
2x10

tricep tri set
2 runs

[kd13]

I have returned to work today so training time is going to take a hit.

Arrived at work to be told that the break room is going to be closed and people need to eat and take breaks sat in there cars, so my colleagues are sat with packed lunch on laps in cars…

Meanwhile in the Covid-19 bug out van (formally daddys adventure van…

Roof is popped letting the sun light in, food cooked and I have beers in the fridge. Winning a bit at life today.

[kd13]

shoulder warm up

neutral grip chin
+28kg 7/6/3
died off bad with the extra 3kg so added 2 BW sets as punishment.
BW 9/6

db row lat focus into upper focus
Super set
20kg 10 reps of each x 2 sets

db pull over
2x failure

band row mechanical drop set
2 runs

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-72HWZHceW/?igshid=l4zjn07sdkgi

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ez curl
24kg +bar 5x10reps

hammer curl
15kg 3x failure

top half chin/curl pull up things
3x failure

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shoulder warm up

dips
+20kg 5x10 wasn’t expecting to get this so pretty happy.

db incline
20kg+ band
3x failure

db squeeze press
15kg 3x failure

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https://www.instagram.com/p/B_VDlJND5sO/?igshid=bnfpoueit27z

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shoulder warm up

90° db shoulder press
26kg 8/7/6

3 way laterals
3 sets (these were murder)

rear delt flys/swings
7.5kg 3x20

shrugs
2x failure with 6sec holds each rep

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Most of my back workout has been outdoors but rain too heavy tonight. Had to drop the weighted chins, t bar and band drop set rows (no low anchor indoor). Shame as I’ve been enjoying the current back session.

indoor pull up bar
Bw 12/12/9/6

db row
25kg 3x15

bench db row
15kg 2x failure

trapydia superset

https://www.instagram.com/p/BuJ7qpBF6YX/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

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@Christian_Thibaudeau

Ok let’s examine the losing muscle part. Unless you are already at under 10% body fat, it is very much unlikely that you are losing muscle if you are still training and eating sufficient protein (1 - 1.25g per pound). Even in a caloric deficit.

You might FEEL like you are losing muscle. You might look smaller, deflated. But that comes from storing less glycogen and water inside your muscles. Glycogen is how your body stores carbs inside the muscles It is a combination of glucose (broken down carbs) and water.

If you are cutting calories (and likely carbs) you will store less glycogen in your muscles, because you don’t have “extra energy” to store since you are pretty much using it all.

If you store less glycogen and water inside your muscles they become flat, deflated, smaller LOOKING. A muscle with less glycogen/water is like a balloon with less air.

It can mess up with your mind, but it’s not muscle loss.

To build (or maintain) muscle you need a growth stimulus, protein for muscle repair and energy to fuel the building process.

If you are still training hard and eating sufficient protein you should at least maintain muscle.

“What about energy?” if I’m in a caloric deficit don’t I lack the energy to build muscle?

Not if you are over 8-9% body fat. Above that level your body has plenty of stored energy to fuel the process without risking running out of stored fuel.

Once you get down to low body fat levels, it can be possible to be unable to fuel the repair process as the body might want to preserve the little energy store it has, for “survival”.

But until you are really lean, unless you REALLY consume an idiotic amount of calories, you should not lose muscle.

“Yeah, but I’m also losing strength, doesn’t that indicate muscle loss?”

Not necessarily.

It is true that a lot of people lose some strength when they diet down. But it is rarely due to muscle loss. There are other reasons.

First, notice that the strength loss is mostly on multi-joint exercises. The bench press, military press and squats are especially affected. This loss in “strength” (really more like a performance drop on a few lifts) doesn’t happen on isolation exercises, machine movements and often doesn’t affect pulling movements.

It is typical to maintain or even increase strength on triceps extensions, pec deck and DB lateral raises… yet have the bench press (which uses the same muscles) go down.

Clearly this is not due to muscle loss otherwise the isolation exercises would go down too.

In fact, oftentimes the free-weight bench press will go down but pressing on a machine or smith machine will stay up or even increase.

The reason for that is a decrease in passive stability. Passive stability is when non-contractile elements stabilize a joint by increasing pressure. For example, if you blow up a muscle by storing more water, glycogen and fat, that muscle becomes inflated and “pack” the joint more. This creates pressure which makes the joint more stable. Even body fat can contribute to passive stabilization and water retention too.

Why is that important? Because if a joint is less stable, the body will protect itself by inhibiting force production (not allowing you to use all of your strength potential to avoid injuries). The more stable the body feels, the more of your strength it will allow you to use. That’s why it is common for powerlifters to “bloat up” before a meet: they will eat a boatload of salty high carb food and drink tons of water to increase both glycogen and water retention. This increases passive stability and allows them to lift more weight.

Pressing movements are more affected because they are more “dangerous” for the shoulder joint, which is the less stable joint in the body.

Another reason why you can be losing strength while dieting down is due to beta-adrenergic desensitization.

The beta-adrenergic receptors are the ones that interact with adrenaline. At the muscle level, beta-receptors, when activated by adrenaline, increase muscle contraction strength and speed. At the brain/nervous system level, when activated they will increase coordination, drive, willpower, confidence, etc.

In other words, when your beta-adrenergic receptors respond well to adrenaline your chance of a optimal physical performance is much higher.

By opposition, if they are not responding well to adrenaline (that’s what happen when they are desensitized, or downregulated) then strength/speed goes down. You also find yourself in a worse mental state to perform at a high level.

Why is that relevant to dieting? You desensitize the beta adrenergic receptors by overproducing adrenaline. Either bursts that are excessive or adrenaline levels that stay high for too long.

Adrenaline is increased in large part by cortisol. Cortisol increases the conversion of noradrenaline to adrenaline.

One of the functions of cortisol is to mobilize stored energy. And, obviously, when you are dieting down you need to mobilize more energy so cortisol production goes up… and so does adrenaline (that’s the reason why a lot of people have a hard time sleeping properly when dieting down).

In that regard, dieting can lead to a decrease in physical (and mental) performance by making you less responsive to adrenaline. When that happens, strength will go down more across the board. But it normally takes longer to occur than the strength loss from lowered passive stability.

Another reason for a loss of strength is your mental state. If you feel small and don’t sleep as well it will be much harder to get amped up to lift big weights. It’s like you program yourself to believe that you are losing muscle and getting weaker. Self full-filling prophecy.

Really, you are likely not losing muscle.

FURTHERMORE, in your case, strength isn’t even going down! That is a clear sign that you are not losing muscle.

What I think is that you had expectations about being at a certain weight when you get to the leanness level you want. But when you approach that weight and don’t yet look lean you assume that it is because you are losing muscle along with the fat. But the reality is that you are not losing muscle, you just have more fat to lose than you thought and also carry less muscle than you assumed. Not fun to hear, but it’s the truth.In all fairness you CAN lose muscle when dieting down. But this normally occurs only…

*When you are under 9-10% body fat… and even then it’s not automatic, just more likely to occur

*When you have been dieting down for a very long time

*If the level of caloric restriction is excessive (e.g. losing more than 1.5kg/3lbs per week after the first week)

There are factors that can make it harder to build muscle or retain it while in a deficit. The main ones are the higher cortisol levels, lowered mTOR and IGF-1 levels.

The former (cortisol levels) will occur when cutting calories, that’s just a fact. But cortisol can also be released due to life stress and the training session. A lot of people who actually lose muscle when dieting down LOSE MUSCLE BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID OF LOSING MUSCLE.

What?! When you are afraid of losing muscle you might. dramatically increase your training volume in hope to prevent the loss of muscle. “I’m gonna kill do a lot more training that way I won’t lose muscles”… or because since you feel flatter/more deflated or because it’s harder to get a pump (not only because of reduced carbs, but mostly because of a reduction of sodium intake). When you don’t get a pump, you feel like you are losing your muscles so you do a stupid amount of volume just to get a feel.

That excessive volume will lead to too much cortisol, which can lead to muscle loss. And it can also lead to causing too much muscle damage for your body to recover from. You CAN’T maintain or even add muscle when dieting down. But your capacity to repair and build muscle is much lower… if you cause too much muscle damage in that state you can lose tissue.

The moral of the story is this:

1. Use an appropriate caloric intake (aim for losing 1kg/2lbs per week, after the first week, where you will lose more. At least until you are around a true 10-11%. At which point if you which to get leaner you should shoot for morel like a 0.5kg/1lbs loss per week).
2. Keep protein high (1.25g per pound of starting bodyweight, do not lower that as body weight goes down).
3. Keep carbs around the workout this is to decrease the cortisol response, maintain glycogen stores and perform better. I would also consume sodium around the workout. Of course, PLAZMA is the perfect formula for this, as it contains other electrolytes.
4. Don’t be stupid with volume, it won’t be helpful as much as intensity. Do fewer sets, but push them to the limit or close to it.
5. It’s all about mindset. You WILL feel flat. You WILL feel smaller in your clothes. And for a good number of weeks you will NOT look any better because you look smaller but are not yet lean enough to look defined. This period is super hard mentally. Heck, some people might tell you that you look smaller or ask you if you stopped training. This can be demoralizing. Know that you are not losing muscle… and if you endure, you will look better.
6. Keep sodium high… it will help keep you fuller looking and get pumps.

One thing I want to mention though, and it is your decision. You are only 75kg on 173cm. That is not very big (this is not a critique). What I mean is that you need to understand that, depending on how lean you are at the moment, you might need to get much much smaller than you think to get ripped. You might end up at 62kg to get the leanness level that you want.

I’m saying this because it will influence your perception… for. example let’s say that you go from 75kg to 70kg and you still don’t look lean. If in your mind, dieting would take you to a shredded 70kg and you are not yet ripped when you reach 70kg the first reaction will be to think that you are losing muscle instead of fat. Whereas the reality is that you need to lose more fat than you thought to get to the leanness level you want.

Here is an example. When I was still working with bodybuilders, a guy approached me for coaching. He wanted to do a bodybuilding show. He was 175cm and around 100kg. He told me that he thought he could be at the bottom of the heavyweight or top of the lightheavy class (so 90-94kg). I told him that on contest day he would be 80kg. He looked like he saw a ghost.

The guy was not fat, mind you. Just the typical bro physique level. Muscular but not defined.

Fast forward to contest day. He ended up being EXACTLY 80kg! He won his class and the overall.

Case in point he needed to lose 20kg to look like what he wanted whereas he initially believed that he needed to drop 10kg.

Posting this in my log so I find it again easier.

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Fancied a dip amrap tonight with BW instead of the weighted 5x10.
Break in the rain just before I started training so got them in.

dips amrap nice smooth reps 2 min rest between sets
30/19/17
This pumped my chest up big time.

incline
25kg 8/8/8/8

band fly for upper chest
2x failure

pjr pull over
2x15

bench db tricep extention
2x failure

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My shoulder sessions have kinda lacked a heavier press recently (been pressing last or for higher reps) so will get my reps up with the 30kgs on db shoulder press. 3 sets of 12 will be a nice target to hit before pushing the pr sets.

shoulder warm up

db shoulder press below 90°
30kg 10/9/8

Previous pr set was 11 reps, stop 2 or 3 reps short of failure on that first set so easy would have beat it. Pushed hard for another 10 but failed so was happy to only drop 1 rep per set.

side laterals
7.5kg 3x15

db upright row
7.5kg failure rest pause

band pull aparts
100 reps

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weighted chin
+28kg 7/6/5 dropped into (2 reps up on last time. Not great but will take it today)
+8kg x 5 dropped into
Bw x 4

db row
25kg 3x10

bench row for upper back
10kg x 2 failure

Called it there as energy levels feel low.

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dips
22kg 10/10/10/8/8
Failed on the straight 10s tonight with the extra 2kg, energy levels still feel pretty low so not surprised.

low incline db press
30kg 10/8/6

upper chest fly
2x failure

squeeze press
1x failure

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@kd13

+28kg 7/6/5 dropped into (2 reps up on last time. Not great but will take it today)

18 reps on 3 sets of +60 lb chins with your form (full extension, and chin WAY over the bar) is great, by any metric.

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Thanks buddy, always feels poor if I dont at least steal a rep on the first set. Lol.

Im enjoying the weighted pullups at the minute.

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I find the best way to get a rep PR on the first set is to overwarmup or at least just do a quick double/triple with that working weight before diving straight into it.

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I most certainly need to be implementing that, the first time my hands touched the bar was the working set.

I’ve done over warm ups before as part of the GMM routine. Thanks for reminding me of them, will do it next time and see what happens.

[jshaving]

What’s the story behind your log title? Just a joke? Never really posted in here but I check in from time to time. Good work!

[kd13]

Nice to have you on board dude.

Check this out for the name change…post 24 and onwards, but the 23 posts before set the scene. Lol

How Much Strength/Muscle Will I Lose on a Big Diet?

Okay so my situation is a bit confusing but basically, I haven’t worked out in a little over a year, used to bench maybe a max of 220 pounds, I’m wondering how much strength I will lose if I start going to the gym again, lifting very light (the bar for reps), while also going on the carnivore diet which from what I’ve heard at my weight makes you lose 5-10 pounds the first couple of weeks or more, and then maybe like 5 pounds for a few weeks, and then 3 pounds every week for months (something li…

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A few years back I thought muscle ups looked cool and tried them, trained a little towards doing them but never actually did one. Lost interest as I always do, not tried since.

Walked past my bar on my way to the shed and thought i would give it a go (saw the recent muscle up thread).

Apparently I can now do muscle ups. Maybe not that clean but I got up there!