…and apologies for a borderline t-jack. Get it? haha.
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
meh…i enjoyed the movie, but it was a little propaganda-ish, no? Blah blah blah, brown people with weapons are the source of the world’s problems, we’d better get BIGGER weapons…
Enjoyable film, but hardly an original plotline. Buncha fuckin’ sheep y’all are.
You do realize that plot line was written about 50 years ago? It is the original plot line.
No, I did not realize this. Doesn’t really change the point of my post, though. It’s release to the public amid an existing sea of these sorts of themes is just sort of redundant.
Not that a guy should expect too much from a superhero flick, just an observation and a reflection of my own feelings about there being far too many weapons in the world.
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Uh, it does change the point of your post. Your point was that it was unoriginal…when it is the original from which movies like RoboCop and many others borrowed some references.
You simply felt it picked some random enemy when that enemy “The Ten Rings” was symbolic of an enemy written half a century ago.
This story is now an American Classic. The fact that YOU alone didn’t know this just makes you uneducated on the subject which means your opinion means very little.
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
meh…i enjoyed the movie, but it was a little propaganda-ish, no? Blah blah blah, brown people with weapons are the source of the world’s problems, we’d better get BIGGER weapons…
Enjoyable film, but hardly an original plotline. Buncha fuckin’ sheep y’all are.
You do realize that plot line was written about 50 years ago? It is the original plot line.
No, I did not realize this. Doesn’t really change the point of my post, though. It’s release to the public amid an existing sea of these sorts of themes is just sort of redundant.
Not that a guy should expect too much from a superhero flick, just an observation and a reflection of my own feelings about there being far too many weapons in the world.
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People said the same thing about 300, and you know what? It’s a fucking movie
lol…take the foot off the pedal there, big fella. You’re sure quick to fire off the insults, eh?
The point of my post was in relation to existing examples of bigotry/stereotypes that exist all over modern culture, and the fact that this is no different.
It doesn’t “make me uneducated”, haha.
The movie was great. I’d been looking forward to seeing it for almost a year now and haven’t been disappointed.
Tony Stark was always one of the more interesting characters in the Marvel Universe and I’m curious about what they’ll come up with in the sequel.
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
People said the same thing about 300, and you know what? It’s a fucking movie[/quote]
Which, again, many seemed unaware that it was based on a graphic novel…which is why it was as stylized as it was and not a true documentary.
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
lol…take the foot off the pedal there, big fella. You’re sure quick to fire off the insults, eh?
The point of my post was in relation to existing examples of bigotry/stereotypes that exist all over modern culture, and the fact that this is no different.
It doesn’t “make me uneducated”, haha.
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That wasn’t an insult. It was simply the truth. You didn’t know…therefore, you were uneducated on the subject. I could have used “clueless”, “ignorant” and even “blind” and it still wouldn’t have been a personal insult.
You might be the smartest person on the forums, but you were still uneducated about this.
I also don’t see your point about bigotry. Because the enemy happened to involve some people with brown skin? They clearly mentioned that the Ten Rings consisted of ALL nations from Russia to Iraq. You missed this?
[quote]That wasn’t an insult. It was simply the truth. You didn’t know…therefore, you were uneducated on the subject. I could have used “clueless”, “ignorant” and even “blind” and it still wouldn’t have been a personal insult.
You might be the smartest person on the forums, but you were still uneducated about this.[/quote]
Under your context, perhaps. I think perhaps we’re arguing semantics here, though.
If indeed this “American Classic” is the film version of the original good white guys vs the evil brown guys, then so be it - it just doesn’t stand out as an original idea in today’s culture, even though perhaps it may be in reality.
Capiche?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also don’t see your point about bigotry. Because the enemy happened to involve some people with brown skin? They clearly mentioned that the Ten Rings consisted of ALL nations from Russia to Iraq. You missed this?[/quote]
What I saw were the evil brown guys getting hold of the good white guys’ weapons and using them for their own devious design.
Certainly they were prominent. You can’t argue that this wasn’t leveraging current world events for the sake of ticket sales.
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I also don’t see your point about bigotry. Because the enemy happened to involve some people with brown skin? They clearly mentioned that the Ten Rings consisted of ALL nations from Russia to Iraq. You missed this?
What I saw were the evil brown guys getting hold of the good white guys’ weapons and using them for their own devious design.
Certainly they were prominent. You can’t argue that this wasn’t leveraging current world events for the sake of ticket sales.
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The main evil guy who gave those “brown guys” the weapons was White.
Actually some of the ‘good white guys’ dealt their weapons under the table to the Ten Rings.
And some of the ‘good white guys’ felt good about war mongering.
True enough. The white guy who was in a position of power, the head of a big corporation, well off, etc. A corrupted executive in American big business is indeed also a villainous character.
Call them the ten rings, call them whatever you like - the first real images of afghanis that you see are them fighting out of caves and using torture to get what they want.
It is what it is.
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
True enough. The white guy who was in a position of power, the head of a big corporation, well off, etc. A corrupted executive in American big business is indeed also a villainous character.
Call them the ten rings, call them whatever you like - the first real images of afghanis that you see are them fighting out of caves and using torture to get what they want.
It is what it is.[/quote]
Way to go Captain Obvious! Here’s a cooke.
5 pages for a discussion on a great movie to turn into a propaganda bitch. Who cares it’s a movie, I don’t base my views thoughts or opinions on what a movie has in it.
Can I ask how they could have done Iron Man without some sort of warfare? Without Tony Stark getting shrapnel in his heart? Can’t be done and if it was the movie would have sucked worse than the Roger Corman Fantastic Four with the Jeweler as the villian
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[quote]George Carlin wrote about stupid people:
… And it doesn’t take you very long to spot one of them does it? Take you about eight seconds. You’ll be listening to some guy…you say… “this guy is fucking stupid!” [/quote]
Certainly was one of the best recent comic book movies made, maybe the best after Sin City… It was a good thing not to overload it with action, but I’d have liked to see more Ironman vs actually dangerous multiple opponents and not just him shooting some ragged terrorists, though even that was very well executed.
I still dislike those up close, fast paced blurry as hell action scenes where you can’t really see too well what happens (music video cuts, ruined the Transformers for me)… I do understand it is a necesity when you have actors that aren’t great martial artists for example, but with all the CGI at hand today those aren’t necesary at all to make the action look great. Luckilly only a few of those in this movie so not really worth whining about.
Casting was good and even Gwyneth managed to come off as a warm and fuckable hottie (Claire Danes in Stardust btw) for once. If you’ve seen movies like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang I dont think there was any question about if Robert Downey Jr. could deliver or not. The Dude gave me a chill.
Plenty of scenes to lol about for sure. Liked it a lot, have to watch again for shit I missed… especially the ending, knew it was there but had to leave before the credits ended.
Oh and hey Prof, if you were serious… the strip club was IN THE PLANE! How cool was that… 
[quote]R@NE wrote:
Oh and hey Prof, if you were serious… the strip club was IN THE PLANE! How cool was that…
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Dude…I was taking notes.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
R@NE wrote:
Oh and hey Prof, if you were serious… the strip club was IN THE PLANE! How cool was that…
Dude…I was taking notes.[/quote]
Well I mean… uh… damn. 
thought the movie was awesome, can’t wait for the next batch of marvel movies. Definitely seeing the new Hulk.
The only thing that bugged me was that I kept on waiting for Jeff Bridges to say “that rug really tied the room together”. He did a great job as Obi, but he’ll always be The Dude.
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
meh…i enjoyed the movie, but it was a little propaganda-ish, no? Blah blah blah, brown people with weapons are the source of the world’s problems, we’d better get BIGGER weapons…
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brown people with weapons are the source of the worlds problems, that’s what you thought the message of the movie was? Ill clue you in on something here: That was not the message of the movie.
[quote]elliot007 wrote:
brown people with weapons are the source of the worlds problems, that’s what you thought the message of the movie was? Ill clue you in on something here: That was not the message of the movie.[/quote]
The message was: explosions and witty banter are cool.