Just Prescribed AIs for High Estradiol. Dosage Advice?

He guys been on TRT for a few years or so. Have always been around 800 T and high 30’s for estradiol.

I haven’t tested in about 4 months and it shocked to see my estradiol hit 94 in my last test. I have not been active due to a B12 deficiency due to years of antacids. It hit my muscles making them fatigued. So im worried the lack of exercise may have contributed.

My question is ive now been prescribed Anastrozole at 1mg a day for 3 months until the next test. The dosage seems a bit high from what i read. Any advise? Should i split it and ask for a test in a month? I’m also feeling better and ready to hit the gym again.

Want to add im on 100ml a week and pin on Sunday.

Thanks

Dude! One MG a day is definitely going to make your life a living hell. Your doc should be held accountable for this bad prescribed dose. Dont take more than .25mg as a starting point. Even then, how about you also make some changes to your life. Exercise and eat right. If you feel better dont touch it. Personally I wouldnt touch the stuff, but I wont argue with those who are determined to manually adjust Aromatase function.

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What was your Total test value at that E2 level out of interest?

Test was 747 took the test the day after pin.

I was think the same. .25 a day, then take a lab about 4 weeks later?

Interesting one, I’d want to know what has suddenly changed instead of band-aiding with Arimidex. A similar Total T but increased E2 might point towards changes in your SHBG. Has that value changed much? It might be useful to now Albumin also if you have it. I agree with middleages ~ 1mg a week split into 2 doses seems a more common prescription. Maybe 1mg/d is a typo or you’ve misread it? Worth a check

No, no, no, that is the dose for women with breast cancer.

My GP probably has only 1 patient that does TRT and that would be me.

I’ll drop that dose to 0.5 per week which seems to be a normal dose, would you all agree? Ill retest after. How long should i wait? 4 weeks? Then test E2 and T?

Do you guys have a good lab site i can use? He wants to retest in 3 months but that is too long IMO.

Jesus Christ no

Take a look at Boron, It dropped me for 40 to 12. I stopped the Anastrozole to try this. I’m happy. This article got me to take the challenge and it works for me. Boron is very safe and we need it.

https://www.amazon.com/Nutricost-Boron-Capsules-5mg-Veggie/dp/B07X27P7V4/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=boron&qid=1632853298&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&smid=A2YD2H3KGK1F4L&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExQkpDTTBTMDUxOE42JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwOTY0MzE0MU9LVTVDSFEwSFVYNCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNzY1ODMyM0syMTY0WEtTMk42NCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

I’ll try Boron Blue. Any thoughts on just half 0.5 a week and then get tested in 4 weeks? Any advice on a lab site where i can get the E2 tested for cheap?

0.25mg twice per week seems to be a common starting point to bring down E2. It really is driven by blood work from there though. I was always advised to have blood work done 6 weeks after protocol change for reference.

I have never paid extra for a “sensitive” E2 check which I believe is called Liquid chromatography tandem mass spectrometry and apparently costs more than the typical method. If I was trying to dial in my E2 after an inexplicable jump I would want to know that the result was accurate and probably pay the extra if I could. There’s always a chance your result might be inaccurate. It’s been shown that the difference between the test methods can be so far out the standard number is pretty much useless.

ECLIA vs LC/MS/MS TESTING FOR E2

The ECLIA test (aka immunoassay or IA) for E2 management is commonly used for those on TRT. It is not an incorrect test or a test for women, but simply one way to check estradiol levels. The other commonly utilized test is the LC/MS/MS method (aka liquid chromatography dual mass spectrometry, sensitive or ultrasensitive). It is the more expensive of the two. There are inherent advantages and disadvantages to each of these two methods. I have been fortunate to be able to speak with professionals who work with both methods. One is a PhD researcher for Pfizer and the other is a medical doctor at Quest. I’ll summarize their comments.

The ECLIA method is the more reliable of the two in terms of consistent results. The equipment is easier to operate thus accuracy is less reliant on the skill of the operator. If the same sample were to be tested twenty times, there would be very little, if any, difference in the results.

The ECLIA method is not as “sensitive” in that it will not pick up E2 levels below 15pg/mL. If your E2 level with this test is 1-14pg/mL, the reported result will be “<15”. Because of this, it is not recommended for menopausal women, men in whom very low levels of E2 are suspected, or children. In other words, if your levels are below 15pg/mL, and it is important to know if the level is 1 or 14pg/mL, you do not want this test. For us, this is likely moot, since if you are experiencing low E2 symptoms and your test comes back at <15, you have your answer. For a woman being treated with anti-estrogen therapy for breast cancer, it may be necessary to know if the E2 level is zero or fourteen because therapeutically, they want zero estrogen.

A disadvantage to IA testing is that it may pick up other steroid metabolites, which in men would be very low levels, but still could alter the result. Another potential disadvantage is that elevated levels of C-reactive protein (CRP) may elevate the result. CRP is elevated in serious infections, cancer, auto-immune diseases, like rheumatoid arthritis and other rheumatoid diseases, cardiovascular disease and morbid obesity. Even birth control pills could increase CRP. A normal CRP level is 0-5 to 10mg/L. In the referenced illnesses, CRP can go over 100, or even over 200mg/L. Unless battling one of these serious conditions, CRP interference is unlikely.

The LC/MS/MS method will pick up lower E2 levels and would be indicated in menopausal women and some men if very low E2 levels are suspected and it is desired to know exactly how low, children and the previously mentioned women on anti-estrogen therapy. It will not be influenced by elevated CRP levels or other steroid metabolites.

While some may believe the ECLIA test is for women, on the contrary, as it pertains to women on anti-estrogen therapy, such as breast cancer patients, the LC/MS/MS is the test for women as CRP levels are a consideration and it is necessary to know if the treatment has achieved an estrogen level of zero.

On the other side of the coin, LC/MS/MS equipment is “temperamental” (as stated by the PhD who operates both) and results are more likely to be inconsistent. Because of this, researchers will often run the same sample multiple times.

It is not clear if FDA approval is significant, but this appears on Quest’s lab reports: This test was developed, and its analytical performance characteristics have been determined by Quest Diagnostics Nichols Institute San Juan Capistrano. It has not been cleared or approved by FDA. This assay has been validated pursuant to the CLIA regulations and is used for clinical purposes. This statement is on LabCorp’s results: This test was developed and its performance characteristics determined by LabCorp. It has not been cleared by the Food and Drug Administration.

It is unlikely that any difference in the same sample run through both methods will be clinically significant. Estradiol must be evaluated, and it should be checked initially and ongoing after starting TRT. It obviously makes sense to use the same method throughout. Most important are previous history and symptoms related to low or high E2. Those are correlated with before and after lab results. Any estradiol management should not be utilized without symptoms confirmed by lab results.

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Interesting read highpull you got a link to the paper?

Yes, me. I wrote it.

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Appreciated some good info there. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the link below.

The dude seems to be putting some good knowledge about AAS and TRT out into the mainstream. It’s worth noting that much of his content is entertainment and he also has affiliations with a TRT clinic that provide high sensitivity tests as a service i.e it makes business sense to promote it.

I think he is wrong on this. I’ll stick with the lab experts that I spoke with personally. I’ve also run both tests concurrently on many guys:

IA LC 37-49
IA LC 38-52
IA LC 41-53


IA LC 50-68
IA LC 55-79

IA LC 33-31
IA LC 28-27 clear
IA LC 23-23
IA LC 26-21

I know a lot of TRT doctors and none go with ultrasensitive LC/MS/MS testing. But, if you want to use it, go ahead. The guy in the video is chasing numbers whereas I would be more focused on comparing pre and post TRT levels to one another, regardless of the actual number.

Good lord fire your doctor as this is negligent prescribing this much anastrozole! A 3mg per week dosage over several months has been shown to cause osteoporosis.

I’ve had my E2 at 28->93 and feel the same, don’t treat a number.

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Excellent examples. It was beginning to look like the sensitive was usually higher than the standard method but that got debunked with the later values. I still have questions as to why they are so different at times. I wonder what the % tolerance is and to what extent the machines are calibrated and if there is a industry standard for it. Human error in a high accuracy and moderately precise process can’t ever be a good thing.

Blood levels are stable at 5 x half life. For test cyp with an 8 day half life you should wait 6 weeks before getting tested but as Anastrozole has a 48 hour half life a blood test in 10 days would be meaningful.

1mg a day? Good work questioning it and asking on here!

I need a very low dose AI. I dissolve 3 x 1mg tablets in 20ml of vodka and take (orally of course!) 0.25ml per day using a measuring pipette. That’s just 0.0375mg per day. Any more or any less I get the bends!!