HGH?
Ok, seriously. I’d go with fish oil, because I love eating food but… to eat that much fish everyday would be absolutely brutal.
Fish oil for reasons listed above. Also because I never eat fish, as it tastes like fuck-all.
Protein is nice to have as a supp (I use Metabolic Drive myself) but I could do without it. I’d just eat more steak. How horrible.
[quote]kinein wrote:
You build muscle from protein.
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Exactly.
Why you would choose fish oil over a protein powder when your primary goal is muscle mass is beyond me.
Flintstone vitamins, because they’re tastey, and that’s what Jay Cutler used to win his 2 Olympia titles (I read it in Musclemag!)
S
mega-dosing fish oil
the benefits are just too numerous and significant particularly no more joint soreness
[quote]rsg wrote:
kinein wrote:
You build muscle from protein.
Exactly.
Why you would choose fish oil over a protein powder when your primary goal is muscle mass is beyond me.[/quote]
You can easily get plenty of high quality protein from a bunch of different foods. Eggs, red and white meat…but LONG CHAINED omega 3 fatty acids sources are pretty scarce in our food.
Sure you build muscle from protein but you also need a bunch of other nutrients to trigger optimal muscle growth and body recovery capacity, long chained omega 3 are one of them.
EDIT: and don’t forget the ratio of omega-6/omega-3 in our modern diet is pretty fucked up unless your main protein source is from fresh cold water fish and you don’t over consume omega 6 rich products…
[quote]rsg wrote:
kinein wrote:
You build muscle from protein.
Exactly.
Why you would choose fish oil over a protein powder when your primary goal is muscle mass is beyond me.[/quote]
I don’t follow your logic…
if protein is paramount then protein powder to insure your are ingesting sufficient amount of protein would be my first choice… don’t get me wrong good fats are important but protein first…
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
You could easily get your BCAAs and Protein from food, but there’s no way anyone wants to eat enough fish each day to get their healthy fats. Throw my vote for Flameout.
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as always you are wise… but fish oil is not the only way to get your fats… coconut oil, natural peanut butter, flax oil… and virgin olive oil… most are dirt cheep and can be had at most stores…
well it’s a toss up so get both and live without soap or something… ha ha…
solid
[quote]inthego wrote:
rsg wrote:
kinein wrote:
You build muscle from protein.
Exactly.
Why you would choose fish oil over a protein powder when your primary goal is muscle mass is beyond me.
I don’t follow your logic…
if protein is paramount then protein powder to insure your are ingesting sufficient amount of protein would be my first choice… don’t get me wrong good fats are important but protein first…[/quote]
That’s what I was saying.
As a BODYBUILDING supplement, protein should be a primary choice for most people.
Fish oil is going to keep you healthy, but it’s not going to add extra protein to meals that are lacking.
[quote]rsg wrote:
As a BODYBUILDING supplement, protein should be a primary choice for most people.
Fish oil is going to keep you healthy, but it’s not going to add extra protein to meals that are lacking.[/quote]
I get joint problems. Hence my choice of Flameout. Anyway, every meal should include protein shouldn’t it? 
[quote]inthego wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
You could easily get your BCAAs and Protein from food, but there’s no way anyone wants to eat enough fish each day to get their healthy fats. Throw my vote for Flameout.
S
as always you are wise… but fish oil is not the only way to get your fats… coconut oil, natural peanut butter, flax oil… and virgin olive oil… most are dirt cheep and can be had at most stores…
well it’s a toss up so get both and live without soap or something… ha ha…
solid[/quote]
Well, of course you could get any type of nutrient totally from food. THe easiest being protein. And yes, you can get all of your fats from real food sources, it just seems easier to me to get more protein in your diet than good fats, especially if you’re used to high doses of omega 3’s. I know that not only do my joints feel better taking about 12-20g of fish oils a day, but I’m naturally leaner, even I’m not cutting. I don’t think I’d even WANT to eat enough fish each day to keep that up -lol
S
Cool. This thread turned interesting. I think the fish oil vs. protein thingy is good. I’d like to hear more.
[quote]rsg wrote:
As a BODYBUILDING supplement, protein should be a primary choice for most people.[/quote]
How about if you’re more into powerlifting?
for the money though, ZMA can’t be beat.
for only $15/month it’s a staple supplement for me.
I love a good night’s rest
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
rsg wrote:
As a BODYBUILDING supplement, protein should be a primary choice for most people.
How about if you’re more into powerlifting?[/quote]
I’m not a powerlifter, so I’d rather avoid that side of suggestions.
However, if you are getting enough food (and protein) then get a fish oil supp. If not, then get some protein powder; that’s what it comes down to.
BCAAs are more effective (I’ve found) when used in large amounts, and they cost quite a bit in large amounts so I wouldn’t suggest them to someone on a tight budget.
ZMA I never really got much out of besides some weird dreams, the same goes for creatine so that’s why I don’t ever suggest these anymore (from a personal point of view).
I’d get that big bucket of
SurgeWheyCreatinoAcidOil with ZMA!
Seriously, why would I pick ONE supplement? I choose the combinations that are most effective at a price that I can afford.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
inthego wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
You could easily get your BCAAs and Protein from food, but there’s no way anyone wants to eat enough fish each day to get their healthy fats. Throw my vote for Flameout.
S
as always you are wise… but fish oil is not the only way to get your fats… coconut oil, natural peanut butter, flax oil… and virgin olive oil… most are dirt cheep and can be had at most stores…
well it’s a toss up so get both and live without soap or something… ha ha…
solid
Well, of course you could get any type of nutrient totally from food. THe easiest being protein. And yes, you can get all of your fats from real food sources, it just seems easier to me to get more protein in your diet than good fats, especially if you’re used to high doses of omega 3’s. I know that not only do my joints feel better taking about 12-20g of fish oils a day, but I’m naturally leaner, even I’m not cutting. I don’t think I’d even WANT to eat enough fish each day to keep that up -lol
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Precisely. I’m sure quite a few people here would agree that eating more meat for more protein would be more pleasurable than eating more fish for more fat. The quality of fats in Flameout is generally higher than what is found in most of our food, and quite possibly more cost effective than eating wild caught salmon and grass-fed beef every day. While proteins may be more easily absorbed or utilized in supplement form (Whey Hydrolysates, Isolates) or serve some other special purposes(Casein), protein from food sources is just as good in all but a few circumstances, say, post-workout, and even then, suitable food substitues can be used, albeit to lesser effect.
What it all comes down to is what any given individual is lacking in their diet, and I can safely say that the vast majority of bodybuilders (powerlifters, look-good-nekkid-folks–people who train) are getting more than enough protein, but not nearly enough good fats or Omega-3. Like I said before: I’ll just eat more steak; fish tastes like fuck-all.
Honestly, I’d say two supplements are of equal paramount importance: Surge, and Flameout. I wouldn’t be caught without either, and wouldn’t trade one for the other, as they both fufill a specific requirement that my diet needs.
A good carb powder or cheap dextrose.
Insulin WILL make you grow. BCAA’s and protein increase the likelihood that you’ll grow.
Fish Oil.
“1. I start and end all supplement discussions with Flameout. Take it. A lot of it. 2. The best supplement from a cost to benefit ratio is orange flavored sugar-free Metamucil. Talk to any athlete about the issues of “elimination” and you’ll see the benefits. It also seems to do wonders for blood profiles.” - Dan John, Becoming That Guy.