Just. Don't. Suck. Vol. 2

Glad to see you hopped onto a modified Washed-Up Meathead :+1: For strength purposes, I had to change the set-rep scheme for each day’s main lifts. At the time, I was working out at Planet Fitness and doing flat Smith bench, standing DB OHP, and Smith low rack deadlifts. With the changes I made, I found the program both beneficial and recoverable.

Happy belated Thanksgiving! I apologize for not yet replying to your post in my log a couple months ago. I’ve had a rough six months and have to fight to drag myself into the gym three days a week. My postkng is way down, but I actually read through every post of my friend’s logs and leave a massive train of likes :joy:

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You’re making up for me. I’m barely posting workouts and definitely not browsing other logs. I find that I’m lacking focus these days. I start to read on here and I’m just not into it. It’s quite the opposite of my earlier days.

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11.30.22

SQUAT
120 x 5
170 x 5
210 x 3
260 x 1
285 x 1
315 x 1

DB INCLINE
55 x 10
60 x 10 x 4
PULL-UPS
4 x 8

PRESS DOWN
90 x 15
100 x 10
105 x 10

12.2.22

SQUAT
240 x 5
270 x 3
300 x 1

OHP
95 x 5
115 x 5
130 x 7

POWER CLEAN
185 x 2
205 x 2
225 x 2
245 x 1
265 x 1 very ugly

HALF SQUATS
300 x 3, 3
BOX JUMPS
3 x 5
UNDERHAND B.O. ROW
235 x 8 x 3

PUSH-UPS
20, 10, 5, 3, 3, 2, 2 in 2:20
Supposed to be 50. Miscounted.

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I know I’m not a prominent member around here, but this is still a platform where I can share good things. This is how I feel these days.

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1.16.23

Just some random training thoughts. Skip to the end for the TLDR version…

I love playing basketball and I love to deadlift heavy weights. How do those two things go together? Are they conflicting? Maybe. What about leg training in general? :thinking:

Well, I’m trying to figure all of that out. I’ve been dealing with a decent amount of pain in my right knee for about 6-8 months now. It sucks. I’m good with day to day movement, but it takes 5-10 minutes for me to warm up to jog and give me a nice sharp stabbing pain right where my patellar tendon meets the bottom of my knee cap. I played basketball last night and it went surprisingly well. The last time I played prior to that was three or four weeks ago and it was a struggle. It actually took the joy out of the game. I didn’t want to run because it might create the need for a sudden stop of change of direction. I didn’t want to jump. I walked away from that night wondering what the heck I was doing.

I reached out to my awesome physical therapist and finally accepted that it was time to let go of basketball for awhile. I still want to play and I still want to be able to jump, but I have to fix this. I stopped all leg lifting four weeks ago. I’ve been doing wall sits instead of squats and RFESS. I haven’t given up deadlifting and I’m doing clean pulls instead of power cleans. My form on the catch puts a lot of stress on the anterior knee and that’s bad. I have 10 PT sessions scheduled over the next four weeks and I have a long list of things to address.

Back to my original question about basketball and leg training. The reason I bring that up is because my body feels pretty awesome compared to usual and the biggest change is the removal of squats and leg lifting. I’ve read multiple times that we average adults don’t need to squat and deadlift. We can get away with choosing one for our heavy lifts. I’ve been stubborn with that, but those smart people might be on to something. I can still deadlift 500+ pounds and I’m pushing to 1RM, 3RM, or 5RM each week (something I got from the Tier Training). I’m just finishing up a four week cycle of training like I did when I lived at the US Olympic Training Center way back in 2007 (minus all the squat movements). The reason I decided to go back to that program is that it has two workouts that you do twice a week. The second time you do it each week you drop the weights by 20% and it seems to really help with recovery. That was also the time that I hit my max vertical and that’s something I’d like to get back. I know I won’t get it all back, but a few more inches would be nice.

I’ve been training consistently (like usual) and getting in about two cardio sessions a week (favoring the elliptical these days). My knee feels better, but it’s not healed. I think the official term for my problem is patellar tendinopathy. I’m not sure if I’ll ever be pain free, but I’m hoping for some sort of relief. The reason I say that is because I subluxed my right patella in high school and never had it cleaned up. The leftover junk from that is causing problems now (in addition to the patellar tendon issue). On the training front, I’m going to start using the Tried and True Bodybuilding Template. My training goals are pretty simple - maintain size, find my old strength on bench and OHP, and basketball performance. I’ve been trying to improve my bench strength for like the past year and I don’t think it’s going anywhere. I should also probably lose some weight. I’m fighting the urge to go back to the Y where I can use machines again. I have access to two high school weight rooms and my home gym so it seems like a waste of money. On the other hand, my joints might benefit from the machines.

Well, that about sums it up. I’m just about the same as I was last year and the year before that and the year before that.


TLDR Version: I still train consistently. My deadlift is still 500+ pounds. I haven’t squatted or done any leg training besides deadlifts, hang clean pulls, and calf raises for the past month and my body feels the best it has in years with the exception of my knees. My right knee has patellar tendinopathy and I start physical therapy this week. The cause of the knee pain is basketball and leg training that moves my knees forward and puts stress on the anterior portion.

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Update

I joined the Y today! It feels good to be back at a commercial gym. Lifting at home or work doesn’t feel the same. It’s also pretty awesome to have machines to rehab some of my ailments.

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100% feeling this. I’ve avoided machines for years and now they are exactly what I need for the same sorts of reasons you mentioned!

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Happy New Year! It’s good to see you back. I think re-joining the gym was a smart move, both for motivation and joint health. For when you return to leg training, do you have access to a sled / Prowler? It complements deadlifts very well and, at least for me, doesn’t have the downsides of squats.

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Squats don’t actually hurt my knees in the moment. I think switching to low bar has helped that. My future leg training might consist of deadlifts, clean pulls, leg press, leg extensions, and leg curls. I don’t have a prowler or sled, but I have a big tire I could tie a rope to and drag. I might be drifting away from my usual leg lifting. For the sake of longevity, bodybuilding type training might be my future. I can hit the muscles with machines and avoid barbell lifts that are unnecessary. I’ll still have to battle my ego. I never hit a 4 plate squat and I think I could get to that if I tried, but what’s the point. It’s tough to me honest with myself. No one cares if I do that and it could be detrimental to my knee health.

I told my PT that I’m feeling pretty good since ditching the usual leg training. Her response was ā€œAre you going to learn from that?ā€

Maybe… :laughing:

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Narrator: He did not, in fact, learn from that.

(This could apply to me)

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It’s pure ego, but the deciding factor in my potential failure to stay away from squat is my students. The questions never stop. ā€œHow much do you squat? How much do you bench?ā€ I like to be able to say a number bigger than what they lift. :man_shrugging:

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1.27.22

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Strong!

I love how the camera shakes at the end.

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I didn’t even notice that! That’s one of the side effects of having the weight room on the third floor.

I also nearly passed out.

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Nice dude, rep was fast!

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2.5.23

I deadlifted 455 for 5 on Thursday and could have probably done 7 or 8. I think that’s still a 5RM PR for me. I was nervous going into it and thrilled afterwards.

I did some single leg isometric squat holds the other day. The only way to keep the bar from moving was to load it up. I put three 55 lb plates on each side so the total weight was 375. One of my students saw it and asked if I was squatting it. I had to inform him of the truth, but it brought back the itch to squat. I’ve been doing squat movements at PT, so the pattern has been getting grooved. I put 135 on the bar with plans to build up with sets of eight. Well, I felt weak on the first set so I just did 3x8 with 135. My legs are sore today because I was getting some great depth. But the ultimate feedback to help me with my plans moving forward - my patellar tendon hurts today. It didn’t bother me during the movement, but it’s aggravated today. This concludes me experiment with squats. Squats are dead to me.

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The day the music died…

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Bring on the leg press!!!

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3.7.23

Physical therapy is going good for my right knee. I started back up hoping to heal my knee and move on. Luck for me, I have awesome PTs who are actually addressing the cause of my problem. And the cause is anterior knee glide. I’ve dealt with patellar tendon pain off and on throughout my basketball life. If you watch me jump, it makes sense. I’m very upright and my knees shoot forward. I think hang power cleans are really what led me to this point. I increased my volume (I might have even shared a graphic on here a while back) and it hammered my knees.

For now, the fix is to avoid anterior knee movement. That means I can box squat, but I have to focus very hard on my shins. My femurs are so long that my box squats feel like a good morning. I’m also jumping and practicing my landings. My natural landing is to let my knees shoot forward. I’m focusing on getting my hips back. It’s unnatural because my chest is pointed at the ground. Every athletic stance starts with knee and hip flexion with the chest up so you can see your opponent. To get into the proper position, I’m bent way over. I’m not sure what that means long term.

I picked up a copy of Lee Boyce’s new book Strength Training for All Body Types: The Science of Lifting and Levers and checked out the squatting section last night. Unfortunately, my situation points to more front squats or no squats at all. I think I can continue the box squats and add some leg press for future ā€œhealthyā€ workouts.

Some Training Highlights

  • I’m on week three of my new deadlift approach of doing a 5RM, 3RM, and 1RM (this week) from a deficit. I pulled 455 x 3 last week while standing on a plate that is close to three inches thick.
  • I’m trying Training Maximally for bench and OHP (5x5, 5x3, 5x1)
  • I had my students focus on the weak part of each big lift for a few week and then switched to emphasizing their strong point for a couple weeks. We’re maxing out this week and the results are starting to come in - one kid think rack pulls helped his deadlift because he added 20 lbs to his max and said it felt like the weight flew once he got to his knees. I have another student who strained his quad playing 7-on-7 football over the weekend so his max week is shot. I had him do strict OHP instead of push press and he added 20 lbs to his max from December: 105 to 125 lbs. That might be the progress I’m most impressed with so far. Overhead lifts are stubborn and to add 20% in three months is freaking awesome.
  • And on the note of training weak points and strong points, I’ve added pin presses to my overhead training and they feel great. I found some racks that allow me to do this standing and it actually feels like it hits my delts more than full ROM presses.
  • And lastly, my right shoulder is hurting again… probably from maxing out on DB Bench a few weeks ago (I got the 120s for 1 by the way). I had a good thought after pin presses today - I might need to limit my benching to 90 degrees and up. This means using pins to set the depth and just focusing on lockout or just stopping when my elbows hit the 90 degree point. This was my restriction after my first shoulder surgery so I’m guessing it’s a good modification now.
  • Oh, and I’ll be playing around with my deficit 1RM Thursday. It better be at least 5 plates.
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Glad to hear the knee is improving and you’re still getting after it!

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