[quote]Limo Driver wrote:
Try parkour.[/quote]
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[quote]FirestormWarrior wrote:
[quote]Limo Driver wrote:
Try parkour.[/quote]
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You mean like this?
[quote]Limo Driver wrote:
Try parkour.[/quote]
Jesus shuttup.
[quote]What2putHere wrote:
which is better for stamina? jump rope or running?[/quote]
Both. Do both.
For the guy that talked about boxers- find a trainer and ask him what the most important part of the training is. He’ll say “roadwork.” That’s running.
Jumping rope is fantastic for coordination and rhytym, but if you want good endurance, you need to run as well.
Roadwork is not necessary to improve aerobic conditioning. In fact, for boxing or any other combat sport running is just a means to an end. This end can be accomplished with other “tools”. Running is popular with many boxers because it is cheap and can be done anywhere. Let us not forget that fighting is not a purely aerobic sport. You can gain the necessary conditioning with the heavy bag, mitt work, and sparring.
There are some who contend that aerobic fitness is necessary for combat but I would say it only depends on how long you must fight for. The shorter and fewer the rounds the less aerobically fit one needs to be.
An amateur boxer who only fights 3 2 minute rounds is not the same as a pro who must go 12 3 minute rounds. An amateur can focus more on anaerobic fitness and improve skills with shorter rounds whereas a pro already has the necessary skills but must display them for a much longer duration.
Just remember that training should always be sport specific; and if it’s just for fun then no worries…do whatever you want.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Roadwork is not necessary to improve aerobic conditioning. In fact, for boxing or any other combat sport running is just a means to an end. This end can be accomplished with other “tools”. Running is popular with many boxers because it is cheap and can be done anywhere. Let us not forget that fighting is not a purely aerobic sport. You can gain the necessary conditioning with the heavy bag, mitt work, and sparring.[/quote]
I think that is true and personally speaking I have seen a ton of improvement in my aerobic fitness (for example dropped by resting heart rate from ~61 to 52) without a ton of roadwork. I generally only jog once a week because going more than that (a) beats up my feet and shins and (b) it’s cold as hell on the east coast right now.
***I’ve used a combination of rowing, running or biking for steady long-distances, building up to doing sessions of 60 mins @ 130-150 BPM (although more like 120 on the bike or rower because you’re sitting)
***I’ve done sled dragging for steady long-distances (60 mins @ 130-150) or shorter with a slightly higher heart rate (something like 2 x 15mins @ 160-165 BPM)
***I’ve done something like jump rope for 3 mins and then do ab/neck/upper back/shoulder work for 1 min, trying to keep heart rate between 130-150 the whole time and gone for about 60 minutes total
***I’ve also used bag work for aerobic conditioning, something like 10 sets of 5 mins on, 1 min off, not letting my heart rate get past 165 during the work sessions. I like this as it’s a good way to get in a ton of kicking repetitions.
But I think a lot of people are quick to throw out roadwork because they need to feel like they are doing something newer and cooler. Thousands of athletes of all sports have gotten in great aerobic shape by doing plain old distance running. It’s a tool that you can do almost anywhere at almost any time and will get the job done.
I do agree that conditioning can be done through you technical practice but there are two concerns I have with that:
(1) If you have shit technique with something, you can be reinforcing shit technique by doing it for an hour consecutively.
(2) The most important thing you can be doing in the fight gym is your technique work. If I can only make it into the fight gym for 90 minutes today, I’m not going to waste half of that doing conditioning when I can do that by running in the morning or jumping rope in my backyard or whatever.
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There are some who contend that aerobic fitness is necessary for combat but I would say it only depends on how long you must fight for. The shorter and fewer the rounds the less aerobically fit one needs to be.
An amateur boxer who only fights 3 2 minute rounds is not the same as a pro who must go 12 3 minute rounds. An amateur can focus more on anaerobic fitness and improve skills with shorter rounds whereas a pro already has the necessary skills but must display them for a much longer duration…[/quote]
This is a good point, but I think one thing that people neglect is the fact that you also need to be in shape to train. I was a competitive athlete my whole life and only got into combat sports about 6 months ago, after my college career was over. One advantage I have over every amateur guy (and even a couple of the pro guys) at my fight gym is conditioning. I notice that some guys get a half hour into the training session and start to get sloppy or lazy with their technique work because they are tired. I’m far from the best but I’ve made a lot of improvements (I’ve definitely surpassed some guys who have been training longer) and I definitely credit that to (1) being a pretty good natural athlete but also (2) being able to train harder and longer because I’m in better shape.
I think it’s popular to shit on aerobic training (not saying you are, just saying in general) nowadays because going on a 5-mile jog isn’t cool and exciting. You also don’t really gas aerobically where you just hit a wall and can’t do anything like you do when you gas from anaerobic work. I think that having aerobic conditioning manifests itself in more subtle ways, but has an incredible cumulative effect when you look over a longer period (like a few months) of your training.
jtrinsey,
All excellent points. One way that beginners can keep from reinforcing bad habits is by training for shorter durations (think about how long amateurs fight for) until they 1) become more proficient with skill and 2) become more conditioned. These two things can be trained at the same time. We would just gradually add more duration as long as skill work is not breaking down.
But I do agree the biggest reasons for being aerobically fit is twofold: 1) we can train longer and harder and 2) we can recover more quickly.
It was not my intent to knock aerobic fitness at all but rather to just point out there are lots of tools in our tool box if we would only think more imaginatively. Anytime we move for long durations without rest we are taxing the aerobic pathways. There are endless ways our bodies can move.
Personally, I hate running so I am very biased against it. Blame all those LSD runs I did while in the USMC.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
This is a good point, but I think one thing that people neglect is the fact that you also need to be in shape to train. [/quote]
Why does everybody always want to forget this?
I remember the year the yankees were popping hamstrings left and right in the beginning of the season. The new age trainer who got fired’s major statement during training camp was “I don’t believe in running and jogging”, I knew right then they were going to get hurt. And sure enough they’d run fast as hell to first and pop a hamstring running to second.
Nothing matches running for training legs to be ready for sports.
Fighters don’t run while fighting why do they need to be prepared to run? Couldn’t they prepare themselves largely by training footwork in the ring?
[quote]jacross wrote:
[quote]hueyOT wrote:
I find jumping rope significantly easier than running.
that’s because jumping rope is significantly easier than running. but to be completely accurate, it would depend on what speed of running vs. what speed of jumping rope. :-[/quote]
Thanks for explaining that Huey. I have spent many nights awake, fretting over this problem but now that you have provided the answer, I am finally free to move on with my life.
By the way did you know that water is wet?[/quote]
You’re an AFL fan, jokes on you 