Quote me ever sayng that the dangers of AAS are minimal. Short of that all of your respenses are nothing more than a lazy liar.
Rainjack ,
Just wanna point out that I just did that.
You are a dumb hick and there is nothing that will change that .
To tim , I don’t wish things would stop it’s a post on the internet don’t be so dramatic . I said originially that steroids are dangerous and they are . That is educated .
This thread is over … I said that !! [/quote]
Dramatic? If you say so.
Life is inherently dangerous. Saying steroids are dangerous is myopically simple. Every single action you make has a danger associated with it.
Please detail these ‘dangers’ that are associated with steroid use. If you can, then you are finally making an informed argument. Until now, you are making idiotic blanket statements.
[quote]Tim K wrote:
Please detail these ‘dangers’ that are associated with steroid use. If you can, then you are finally making an informed argument. Until now, you are making idiotic blanket statements. [/quote]
Been there. Tried that. Even bought the t-shirt. It goes against everything in jjjjjjjjay’s being to make an informed argument.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Tim K wrote:
Please detail these ‘dangers’ that are associated with steroid use. If you can, then you are finally making an informed argument. Until now, you are making idiotic blanket statements.
Been there. Tried that. Even bought the t-shirt. It goes against everything in jjjjjjjjay’s being to make an informed argument. [/quote]
The really ridiculous thing is not that his belief that illegal steroids pose dangers. You guys who use know what they are and their extent better than he does. The really ridiculous thing is that he thinks legal, designer steroids aren’t dangerous. Compounds that may actually be combinations of illegal banned substances that are legal in that configuration through some loophole that the government has not addressed. Compounds that are highly toxic and pose more threats than illegal steroids. Worse, he thinks the legal label attached to these compounds somehow means that milk thistle and herbal test boosters are sufficient PCT.
jjay - listen here, Nimrod. If you’re against steroids, then what the hell are you doing on this board? I don’t know you, and you don’t know me, but if you’re all for using supplements and natural methods, that’s fine. But you can take your mal-informed attitudes to another board if all you’re gonna do on this one is speak shit.
I know some guys overuse steroids, and some do a couple of cycles in moderation, and it all falls along a spectrum from responsible, self-accountable use to all-out abuse, but to make a blanket statement about anything is to invite trouble. The world is not black-and-white, my young friend. It comes in many colours and shades of grey.
jjay - Let me just add that I came to this board to learn, discuss and get advice on steroids use and how to do them safely. That is the reason why most of us are here in the first place. But it seems like the only reason you are here is to spout off your anti-AAS points of view and to disrespect everyone with your immature “Yo mama’s a douchebag!” type of attitude.
[quote]jjay wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
jjay wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
jjay wrote:
Even assuming that any/all of it was true, so what? Ok, steroids are bad. What is the point? Where are you going with this?
That is the point . What do you think they make all that shit up . I know rainjack does , But you ?
Incidentally, did I not see you posting about MAG-10 in other threads? Looks like you have had some problems. Did you use it according to directions? It sounds to me like you have had more issues with MAG-10 [perhaps because of incorrect use?] than many of these people have had with steroids.
No , I used it more then I should have . I’ve taken care of the problem and hopefully that will be the end of it . [/quote]
Alright, I must say something. I tried…oh I tried…just not to get involved here…but I must!
Everyone, MAG-10 is a stack of steroids.
4-AD-EC is a steroid.
They are hormones, and though a bit of them “convert” to the more recognizable forms through enzymic pathways, they are still steroids.
It is absolutely amazing to me how some people can straight faced say that they don’t use steroids but they use MAG-10…or 4-AD-EC, or whatever.
Know what Methandriol is? The form used by many in the past is called M.D. and is basically a methylized (spelling, I know) version of 4-AD. How many people here would categorize Methandriol as a “pro-hormone”.
This whole “pro-hormone” definition is a made up, greatly conceived nomenclature to mask what it really is…an honest happy go lucky steroid!!
JJay, my man, I don’t have any specific beef with you. But dude, if you used MAG-10, you have used steroids. You didn’t use the steroid properly, abused it, and suffered some unfortunate side effects that you tried to treat with a “natural” form of PCT. Just like the rest of us.
[quote]FCFighter wrote:
I said I was done with this thread, but it won’t fucking die anyway with or without my 2 cents. So here goes…
What if someone only takes enough juice/testosterone to get to the high end of normal? to even the playing field with someone that has naturally high T levels and therefore makes faster gains?
Or maybe everyone with naturally high T levels should take some type of drug(estrogen?) to make sure they aren’t “cheating”?
And as far as “lying” goes(which was the original point of this thread)it has been painfully obvious that no matter how much you try to educate some people, they will still hang on to their own preconceived notions(right or wrong). So why expose yourself to the criticism from someone that is ignorant of the REALITY of AAS and has no interest whatsoever in listening to those that do know or finding out for themselves? [/quote]
ummm… Well if someone has naturally high T levels, thats the way it is. As for someone trying to get to the high end of normal… well you can do that without steroids. But if you cant, go play golf or something. You obviously aren’t made to become a bodybuilder.
I know I don’t know all there is to know about AAS. I don’t have to know everything to know they are costly and potentially dangerous if not handled with great respect. That’s not the issue. The issue is that there is no good reason for using steroids. Plain and simple. Make the most of what you got, and stop worrying about what other people have. I also know that they are not worth the trouble espessially when I will get great gains without their help. It might take me longer, but I am not in a hurry. Everyone wants to be bigger faster. When some people get to their genetic potential, that just isn’t good enough.
Hey rainjack, you keep telling people to bring you proof and evidence of their claims. That’s great, but guess what? We dont fuckign have to. You know just as well as anyone else what you are doing to yourself. I don’t give a flying fuck if you are doing it “safely” or not. THe bottom line is you are using AAS and untill YOU give me a good reason , you are the one needing to proove something. Not me. I don’t need to see another 30 year old working out with a sudden bad case of zits all over to know there are fools in every gym, but you, you obviously know what you are doing. There must be a good reason why, and I doubt that it’s because you are naturally testosterone deficient.
Roargathor - Who made you the authority on what people should or should not do to their bodies, and for what reasons? Just admit that you’re too much of a scared pussy to put some extra testosterone power into your body. You’re just a product of the fear-mongering system of control that is against us getting bigger and stronger by any means necessary.
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I don’t need to see another 30 year old working out with a sudden bad case of zits all over to know there are fools in every gym… [/quote]
and more bullshit
You just judged me. Just because a person does some gear doesn’t mean they are a fool. Now take your judgementalism and biased views elsewhere.
[quote]Roargathor wrote:
Hey rainjack, you keep telling people to bring you proof and evidence of their claims. That’s great, but guess what? We dont fuckign have to.[/quote]
No you don’t have to, but it pretty much invalidates any point you try to make when your proof is “I just know it…I don’t need to prove anything”. It just make syou look stupid. But that’s fine with me.
I need to prove nothing -especially to bigoted fools such as yourself. You are the one that passed judgement on an entire community without provocation. Now you are telling me I need to give you a good reason why I take steroids? Fuck Off.
The proof I have asked for from you and your dim-witted friend was to make you try and read about the subject that you have demonized. You have proven time and again your unwillingness to be objective. It is sad that you are so proud of your bigoted ignorance.
Yes I am test deficient. Very much so. Exogenous testosterone made me feel like I always thought I should, but just never did.
And I use it to help me build muscle. But then again - that is my choice, and not open for debate. If you don’t like my choice - tough shit. I am not throwing what I do in your face, but you seem hell bent on spreading baseless propaganda and passing judgement on those that disagree with the lies you have made up in your head.
[quote]Roargathor wrote:
ummm… Well if someone has naturally high T levels, thats the way it is. As for someone trying to get to the high end of normal… well you can do that without steroids. But if you cant, go play golf or something. You obviously aren’t made to become a bodybuilder.
I know I don’t know all there is to know about AAS. I don’t have to know everything to know they are costly and potentially dangerous if not handled with great respect. That’s not the issue. The issue is that there is no good reason for using steroids. Plain and simple. Make the most of what you got, and stop worrying about what other people have. I also know that they are not worth the trouble espessially when I will get great gains without their help. It might take me longer, but I am not in a hurry. Everyone wants to be bigger faster. When some people get to their genetic potential, that just isn’t good enough. [/quote]
Dude it’s obvious you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. You keep spouting the same knee-jerk reaction that most people have after being brainwashed so many years by the media, STEROIDS=BAD.
What makes you even more incredible is the fact that you created a whole new username and profile(or lack thereof) just to post in this thread. What are YOU scared of?
Until you can post under your usual username, stop telling everyone else how wrong, immoral, stupid, etc. they are for using something that doesn’t involve you in the least.
[quote]FCFighter wrote:
Roargathor wrote:
ummm… Well if someone has naturally high T levels, thats the way it is. As for someone trying to get to the high end of normal… well you can do that without steroids. But if you cant, go play golf or something. You obviously aren’t made to become a bodybuilder.
I know I don’t know all there is to know about AAS. I don’t have to know everything to know they are costly and potentially dangerous if not handled with great respect. That’s not the issue. The issue is that there is no good reason for using steroids. Plain and simple. Make the most of what you got, and stop worrying about what other people have. I also know that they are not worth the trouble espessially when I will get great gains without their help. It might take me longer, but I am not in a hurry. Everyone wants to be bigger faster. When some people get to their genetic potential, that just isn’t good enough.
Dude it’s obvious you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. You keep spouting the same knee-jerk reaction that most people have after being brainwashed so many years by the media, STEROIDS=BAD.
What makes you even more incredible is the fact that you created a whole new username and profile(or lack thereof) just to post in this thread. What are YOU scared of?
Until you can post under your usual username, stop telling everyone else how wrong, immoral, stupid, etc. they are for using something that doesn’t involve you in the least. [/quote]
I created this profile, because it is the only one I have. I came here for the one pourpose of trolling these forums. I have said this before. But you idiots seem to think it’s worth getting all bent out of shape for some reason.
You are right, what you do to your bodies has no effect on me, and to tell you thr truth, I really don’t give a fuck what you do. THe fact is you all are tools, used to entertain me. You have no clue how much I laugh after reading your posts.
[quote]Roargathor wrote:
You are right, what you do to your bodies has no effect on me, and to tell you thr truth, I really don’t give a fuck what you do. THe fact is you all are tools, used to entertain me. You have no clue how much I laugh after reading your posts. [/quote]
Someone needs to get a real life. Nice toi know you admit to being a troll. I can only hope your stupidity/ignorance is poart of the act.
I have friends at the gym who use AAS, and I give them incredible amounts of shit for it. They give it back, its all good. Whatever floats your boat. I have never known a juicer to claim that what he lifts is all his. THey admit to having help.
Anyway none of you here on this forum are anymore rightious for knowing all you know about what tricks you are using. Face it, without steroids many of you would be half the men you used to be. LOL! I’m soo funny!
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Roargathor wrote:
You are right, what you do to your bodies has no effect on me, and to tell you thr truth, I really don’t give a fuck what you do. THe fact is you all are tools, used to entertain me. You have no clue how much I laugh after reading your posts.
Someone needs to get a real life. Nice toi know you admit to being a troll. I can only hope your stupidity/ignorance is poart of the act. [/quote]
I admitted to being a troll like 4 for pages ago. I have a real life. I think… As for stupidity and ignorance, I can’t tell you i’m not. Or I wont rather. You wil ultimately judge for yourself based only on what you know. That is all. I saw a guy on tv, he used steroids and his arms exploded! SERIOUS!
[quote]Roargathor wrote:
THe fact is you all are tools, used to entertain me. You have no clue how much I laugh after reading your posts. [/quote]
lol. The only ‘tool’ around here is you. What a sad, pathetic life a person must lead if the only entertainment they get is out of trolling internet forums. How many hours must you spend doing this, I don’t know.
You know what a real life is? It’s what goes on in between the times when you’re not sitting in front of a PC screen. Now go out there and get one, you sad moron! LOL
[quote]Roargathor wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Roargathor wrote:
You are right, what you do to your bodies has no effect on me, and to tell you thr truth, I really don’t give a fuck what you do. THe fact is you all are tools, used to entertain me. You have no clue how much I laugh after reading your posts.
Someone needs to get a real life. Nice toi know you admit to being a troll. I can only hope your stupidity/ignorance is poart of the act.
I admitted to being a troll like 4 for pages ago. I have a real life. I think… As for stupidity and ignorance, I can’t tell you i’m not. Or I wont rather. You wil ultimately judge for yourself based only on what you know. That is all. I saw a guy on tv, he used steroids and his arms exploded! SERIOUS![/quote]
he used huge amounts of synthol…got a friggin abcess/infection because he is an idiot…and his arm suffered the consequences of his stupidity. not from AAS, from using insane amounts of oil…and improper sterilization/injection techniques.