Judo for BJJ

Hey , I’ve been doing bjj for a couple of years now and my grappling skill are improving a lot. However, I been noticing a weakness in my standing game. I know this question has probably been asked before but what the hell. Does anyone have any recommendation on judo throws that translate well to bjj (don’t leave me in a potentially dangerous position)?

I’d prefer to sign up at one of the judo clubs in our city but my schedule just won’t allow it.

Thanks in advance.

If you can possibly train with a local HS or college wrestling team, even if only for a few months, do it. I wrestled just for my senior year in college, and my takedowns are miles ahead of most other white belts i run into.

Judo is better than BJJ.

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Lol ok, i couldn’t resist.

Ok throws… I would avoid any makikomi variation, they’ll leave your opponent in a confortable back mount position.

Takedowns are always a safe choice, the downside is that it’ll be pretty much useless anyway to get yourself in an dominant position (opponent will pull guard inmediatly when you do the takedown). But they are good for getting in the ground game fast.

I’ll go with o-goshi variations ( the ones when you have the armpit locked and throw by crossing the hips). They’ll leave in a dominant position (side guard) if you throw him right. Not to mention that all the crowd will say “ohhhh” he made the other guy fly!!". just be careful if your opponent sits while you are performing the throw (basic judo defense move).

Good luck :wink:

@twisner - We have a some pretty good wrestlers in our class, They’re starting to give us some pointers.

@BAdWolf - lol, I’d love to be able to do both. Thanks for the advise!

I personally would recommend tai-otoshi, harai-goshi or uchi-mata. In order of difficulty.

Tai-otoshi is probably the easiest. You enter it in a similar way to the o-goshi hip throws BAdWolf mentioned. I personally go for it with my arm over the opponents head (like in koshi-guruma), thus pinning his body to mine and then use his forward momentum, along with rotating my torso to throw him across my leg. If you look up a picture of tai-otoshi you’ll get the picture quickly. By putting my arm around his head (or at least by grabbing the back of his gi lapel, behind the head) I reduce the pressure on my shoulder. Follow him down from the throw and you’ll end up in a strong pin such as kesa-gatamee.

tai otosh is a badass throw when done right, ive seen people get concussed from it. I think most turning/hip throws are pretty easy to pull off…gi or no gi and some of the more effective ones. My footsweeps suck however.

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Takedowns are always a safe choice, the downside is that it’ll be pretty much useless anyway to get yourself in an dominant position (opponent will pull guard inmediatly when you do the takedown). But they are good for getting in the ground game fast.

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If you hit a good single leg, it can be pretty difficult for your opponent to pull guard. That’s different than a slow double at a squared up opponent, that’s not going to get you anywhere against someone halfway decent.

Judo is pretty sick though…

I actually lost in the absolute division by a judo takedown at the houston jiu jitsu championships. It was the same ankle pick that I like to do where you grab the farside lapel and pull your opponent to make them step and pick up their stepping ankle and push your fist into their collar bone. 2-0 and that was the entire BJJ match.

Check out Dave Camarillo’s book, “Guerilla Jiu Jitsu”. He’s a black belt in Judo and BJJ and combines the two very effectively in a very aggressive style. The main thing that he stresses from Judo in BJJ competition is grip fighting. Once you win that fight, a basic throw or takedown to superior position is much easier to achieve.

Thanks for the info. I might be able to get some help from a friend who just got his judo brown belt. I’ll get him to take me through those throws. Any opinions of “Judo Unleashed”?

Judo Unleashed is a good book. However, as you might be aware, some important points can be lost when learning judo through a book.

As a sankyu, I’ve always favored ashi waza - foot techniques, especially when going against wrestlers or bjj guys. Sasae tsurikomi ashi works well when they’re leaning forward, and you’ll be in a position for side control.

If that throw doesn’t work, it’s because they defended it by leaning back and immediately posturing up, allowing you to attempt other throws such as Osoto Gari.

Both Sasae and Osoto are relatively easy to learn and, if successful, put you in a good position for the ground game.

Try judoinfo.com for more information / videos.

Hey guys, thanks for all the info. I just have my first tutorial and I have a boat load to learn! I have to really work on Kuzushi. I think for the next few weeks I’ll be focusing on this, Osoto Gari and Ouchi Gari. Again, I’ll be focusing on proper Kuzushi for these techniques. Again thanks for the info and please keep it coming.

I have a lot of success using a simple tomoe nage

http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/tomoenage.htm

Once I have grips I unbalance, put my foot up to the hip and sit back, depending on their reaction I can either complete the throw, change to an ankle pick or pull guard (normally sweeping in the same motion)

It works well because a lot of BJJ guys will using pushing pressure in the clinch. That said, most BJJ tournaments end up being a competition to see who can pull guard first :slight_smile:

Ultimately i’ve been much more wrestling than training bjj and you can always use the take-down to get advantageous position and if things are bad you just posture up and go back standing.

I’ve played with the tomoe nage. I like the fact that its possible to transition right into an armbar.

We got a couple of wrestlers in class. Amazing base and hard to keep on the mat. That is Ryan Hall’s thoughts on grappling as well isn’t it? If you aren’t dominant, stand up.

really? i like that way of thinking who is ryan hall?

This is Ryan Hall