[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Yeah, you’re right, we deserve it. ROFLMAO. Idiocy like this almost makes me happy that Europe will be part of the Calphate in a generate. Enjoy Sharia.
For the reocrd, the average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is one standard deviation above the average European. The best evidence of this is your post.[/quote]
Protip: Anything Alffi posts will be bigoted and ignorant in some way.
Stop biting.
Also for the record there is neither Jew nor gentile, black or white, bond or free, rich or poor, male or female or any other earthly distinction in the gospel of Christ. Many members, one body all in Him, equally esteemed and loved. That is THE gospel. Anything that sets one man against another based on race, gender or station is not the gospel of Christ, but an evil perverse torturing of the scriptures not recognized by him.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Alffi wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]weby wrote:
[Silly Youtube Clip]
Wow. So much to be learned from this.
Like, say, how to post a meaningless video.[/quote]
Well, that and there are drunk assholes in every country, including Israel.
But there are certainly hard feelings among many Jewish people regarding some elements of Christian civilization. The World Counsel of Churches (liberal Methodists and non-Missouri Synod Lutherans and others) basically tells Jews to “go die already” on a regular basis.
There has been 1900 years of pogroms, forced conversions, kidnapping of children, expulsions, ghettos, and routine attempts at genocide.
Obviously, such treatment creates hard feelings.[/quote]
If you knew a person who was fired from every job he took, kicked out of all clubs he went and generally shunned then do you think that guy would be entirely innocent and all the other people wrong? Is there a remote possibility that it might be more complicated?
Even when jews don’t really practice any religion, they still call themselves jews, meaning that they identify strongly as a race, regardless of where they are. Thus, their interests as a race may well overcome their loyalty to any nation they inhabit, for example, and cause consequent disdain.
There is, of course, the argument which goes that jews have been persecuted because they are so succesful and brilliant. If it is any judge, the average IQ of Israel is significantly lower than that of USA and many european nations. Even when studying jews in exclusion, the differences (going by the most glamorous stats presented for jews) are not that great, and there are just not that many jews in the world.
As such, if it’s all about petty jealousy, why are not people mad about italians, japanese, germans and other large nationalities or just plain artificial cliques of connected folks (similar to how jews identify by name and tradition) who could, for all reasonable purposes, wield just as much influence?[/quote]
Yeah, you’re right, we deserve it. ROFLMAO. Idiocy like this almost makes me happy that Europe will be part of the Calphate in a generate. Enjoy Sharia.
For the reocrd, the average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is one standard deviation above the average European. The best evidence of this is your post.
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I’m not saying you deserve it but it makes you think. All I suggested is that it might be more complicated. Or is it OK to hate christians but bigoted to think that jews might have wronged as well? Both sides have their own interests at stake.
The only reason your prediction about Europe could hold water is europeans are kind universalists, as lamented centuries ago by great thinkers. Jews, they alleged, are not. In a darwinian sense, jews may well deserve to claim the mantle and so may the muslims you think will conquer Europe. But morally and intellectually, I don’t think so. Furthermore, Israel is generously supported by the white american taxpayer for no benefit in return. There is no true obstacle to a dedicated group of goyim of doing away with jews if they so wished. Christinsanity and good will of christians over the world keeps heaping support for Israel and jews as spritual brethren.
Some studies set the average IQ of ashkenazis at 103 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence. Others higher. When comparing isolated types of intelligence like math and verbal ability, it seems some scores are average and some slightly higher. One standard deviation is 15 points. “IQ and the Wealth of Nations” sets the lowest available european national IQ (Croatia) as 90. IQ and the Wealth of Nations - Wikipedia
The scores are on the rise but assuming that Croatia represents the low point of european IQ, there may not be any european countries with IQ’s one standard deviation below that of ashkenazis.
Ashkenazis make up 80% of the jewish population which is relatively much as jews go but amounts to 8-11 millions. Objectively speaking, there is no reason to think that this group of people would wield massive influence when a country the size of Germany easily sports far more brainpower than Israel and the world jews combined. As such, the often cited figures regarding the disproportionate numbers of jewish Nobel winners do not reflect the reality regarding the spread of brains but something else, such as social organization. When a large enough group of people believing themselves to be heaven’s gift assumes a helm, you may hypothetize that they will award other chosenites, rather than fellow americans for example (as race is deeper than nationality). As germans saw it back in the 19th century, jews stick together and grasp for domination while europeans are egalitarians. It is not meritocratic, as there is not a shortage of gentiles to replace the most fitting jew for any leadership position, of which there is a limited number.
If we were to look at the world from a jewish black and white perspective of classifying people to gentiles and non-gentiles (our interests vs. theirs and dismissively using a negative to define most of the world’s people) then obviously the world would come out on top, in potential as well as achivement. Same thing would happen with comparing whites and jews, or east asians and jews. Or christians and jews. Americans or jews etc.
Although some would certainly say the same about me, it really is a bit befuddling what some people spend their time s e r i o u s l y thinking about.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Alffi wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]weby wrote:
[Silly Youtube Clip]
Wow. So much to be learned from this.
Like, say, how to post a meaningless video.[/quote]
Well, that and there are drunk assholes in every country, including Israel.
But there are certainly hard feelings among many Jewish people regarding some elements of Christian civilization. The World Counsel of Churches (liberal Methodists and non-Missouri Synod Lutherans and others) basically tells Jews to “go die already” on a regular basis.
There has been 1900 years of pogroms, forced conversions, kidnapping of children, expulsions, ghettos, and routine attempts at genocide.
Obviously, such treatment creates hard feelings.[/quote]
If you knew a person who was fired from every job he took, kicked out of all clubs he went and generally shunned then do you think that guy would be entirely innocent and all the other people wrong? Is there a remote possibility that it might be more complicated?
Even when jews don’t really practice any religion, they still call themselves jews, meaning that they identify strongly as a race, regardless of where they are. Thus, their interests as a race may well overcome their loyalty to any nation they inhabit, for example, and cause consequent disdain.
There is, of course, the argument which goes that jews have been persecuted because they are so succesful and brilliant. If it is any judge, the average IQ of Israel is significantly lower than that of USA and many european nations. Even when studying jews in exclusion, the differences (going by the most glamorous stats presented for jews) are not that great, and there are just not that many jews in the world.
As such, if it’s all about petty jealousy, why are not people mad about italians, japanese, germans and other large nationalities or just plain artificial cliques of connected folks (similar to how jews identify by name and tradition) who could, for all reasonable purposes, wield just as much influence? [/quote]
Yeah, you’re right, we deserve it. ROFLMAO. Idiocy like this almost makes me happy that Europe will be part of the Calphate in a generate. Enjoy Sharia.
For the reocrd, the average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is one standard deviation above the average European. The best evidence of this is your post.
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I’m not saying you deserve it but it makes you think. All I suggested is that it might be more complicated. Or is it OK to hate christians but bigoted to think that jews might have wronged as well? Both sides have their own interests at stake.
The only reason your prediction about Europe could hold water is europeans are kind universalists, as lamented centuries ago by great thinkers. Jews, they alleged, are not. In a darwinian sense, jews may well deserve to claim the mantle and so may the muslims you think will conquer Europe. But morally and intellectually, I don’t think so. Furthermore, Israel is generously supported by the white american taxpayer for no benefit in return. There is no true obstacle to a dedicated group of goyim of doing away with jews if they so wished. Christinsanity and good will of christians over the world keeps heaping support for Israel and jews as spritual brethren.
Some studies set the average IQ of ashkenazis at 103 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence. Others higher. When comparing isolated types of intelligence like math and verbal ability, it seems some scores are average and some slightly higher. One standard deviation is 15 points. “IQ and the Wealth of Nations” sets the lowest available european national IQ (Croatia) as 90. IQ and the Wealth of Nations - Wikipedia
The scores are on the rise but assuming that Croatia represents the low point of european IQ, there may not be any european countries with IQ’s one standard deviation below that of ashkenazis.
Ashkenazis make up 80% of the jewish population which is relatively much as jews go but amounts to 8-11 millions. Objectively speaking, there is no reason to think that this group of people would wield massive influence when a country the size of Germany easily sports far more brainpower than Israel and the world jews combined. As such, the often cited figures regarding the disproportionate numbers of jewish Nobel winners do not reflect the reality regarding the spread of brains but something else, such as social organization. When a large enough group of people believing themselves to be heaven’s gift assumes a helm, you may hypothetize that they will award other chosenites, rather than fellow americans for example (as race is deeper than nationality). As germans saw it back in the 19th century, jews stick together and grasp for domination while europeans are egalitarians. It is not meritocratic, as there is not a shortage of gentiles to replace the most fitting jew for any leadership position, of which there is a limited number.
If we were to look at the world from a jewish black and white perspective of classifying people to gentiles and non-gentiles (our interests vs. theirs and dismissively using a negative to define most of the world’s people) then obviously the world would come out on top, in potential as well as achivement. Same thing would happen with comparing whites and jews, or east asians and jews. Or christians and jews. Americans or jews etc.
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I think a member of the master race should at least have mastered the quote function…
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Also for the record there is neither Jew nor gentile, black or white, bond or free, rich or poor, male or female or any other earthly distinction in the gospel of Christ. Many members, one body all in Him, equally esteemed and loved. That is THE gospel. Anything that sets one man against another based on race, gender or station is not the gospel of Christ, but an evil perverse torturing of the scriptures not recognized by him.
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So no religious, racial, gender, or economic discrimination is allowed…but sexual orientation is fair game. Come to think of it, there are quite a few examples of slavery, misogyny, and bigotry in the bible. I’m not sure everyone really is equally esteemed and loved as you claim.
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Also for the record there is neither Jew nor gentile, black or white, bond or free, rich or poor, male or female or any other earthly distinction in the gospel of Christ. Many members, one body all in Him, equally esteemed and loved. That is THE gospel. Anything that sets one man against another based on race, gender or station is not the gospel of Christ, but an evil perverse torturing of the scriptures not recognized by him.
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So no religious, racial, gender, or economic discrimination is allowed…but sexual orientation is fair game. Come to think of it, there are quite a few examples of slavery, misogyny, and bigotry in the bible. I’m not sure everyone really is equally esteemed and loved as you claim.[/quote]
I am sure.
Allow me to clarify with a post of mine from July 3rd. It will save me more typing.
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There are 2 species of man in the world since the fulfillment of the law in Christ. Those who by free grace(this cannot be emphasized enough) have been born again into the life and mind of the resurrected Son of God and those who have not and remain for the moment dead in trespasses and sins.
To the former every single last speck of data possible from the movement of sub atomic particles to the majesty of the intelligent moral agency of the image of God in man having been created male and female. Everything, Screams the plainly self evident truth that He is and we are His children having been redeemed from death to life.
To the latter every single last speck of data screams one of a thousand derivative versions of anything but that. It is their nature inherited from the first Adam. A nature it must never be forgotten we still share in our old self.
Of course we shouldn’t shrink from claiming all facts including scientific ones for the God who brought them into existence. However, attempting to argue them into belief with detailed debate does not usually bear fruit for 2 main reasons. First and most importantly is what I said in my first post. They cannot hear it. Second they usually (but certainly not always) have more expertise on the topic at hand and in that arena are better at it than we are. At least among the educated this is often true.
Also, it very easily degenerates into a campaign to win the debate and self righteously ridicule the opponent. God has not called us to win arguments. He’s called us to win souls and the 2 are very often not the same thing. People are not nearly as impressed by what you know as they are by how you live even if they don’t consciously realize it. Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven. Matthew 5:16 NASB The testimony of a loving sanctified life bows to no argument.
Don’t mind me. I can get carried away very easily. I would have been (should have been) in prison or dead or both if not for the unfathomable love and mercy shown me by a holy God who had every right to leave me in the destruction of my own sin. [/quote]
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Also for the record there is neither Jew nor gentile, black or white, bond or free, rich or poor, male or female or any other earthly distinction in the gospel of Christ. Many members, one body all in Him, equally esteemed and loved. That is THE gospel. Anything that sets one man against another based on race, gender or station is not the gospel of Christ, but an evil perverse torturing of the scriptures not recognized by him.
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Nice post and this is exactly how I was raised. That’s why it baffles me when one religion claims to be “more true” than another religion. Christ is Universal, encompassing everyone all at once, whether they realize and allow it or not.
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Also for the record there is neither Jew nor gentile, black or white, bond or free, rich or poor, male or female or any other earthly distinction in the gospel of Christ. Many members, one body all in Him, equally esteemed and loved. That is THE gospel. Anything that sets one man against another based on race, gender or station is not the gospel of Christ, but an evil perverse torturing of the scriptures not recognized by him.
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Nice post and this is exactly how I was raised. That’s why it baffles me when one religion claims to be “more true” than another religion. Christ is Universal, encompassing everyone all at once, whether they realize and allow it or not.[/quote]You missed the “in Him” part which is most assuredly not universal. A truncated quotation from the 7th of Matthew:[quote]6-"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. <<<>>> 13-Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14-For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. <<<>>> 15-Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheepâ??s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. <<<>>> 21-Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22-Many will say to Me on that day, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?” 23-And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.” <<<>>> 28-When Jesus had finished these words, the crowds were amazed at His teaching; 29-for He was teaching them as one having authority, and not as their scribes. [/quote]There’s PLENTY more. Jesus of Nazareth was the very definition of division and controversy. They killed Him after all. (but not for long, bless His holy name). His gospel, THE true gospel, is precise, narrow and exclusive at the same it is efficacious to ANYONE He calls unto HIMSELF. He will not however leave them as they were. The truly regenerate (Christian) will begin a lifelong journey of transformation from sin to righteousness according to His commandments. No transformation? no Jesus. These truths are absolutely everywhere evinced in the whole of scripture from Genesis to Revelation.
Yes, he associated with and even made apostles out of adulterers, thieves and murderers. but HE RADICALLY CHANGED them. This idea of a femmy, gooey, I’m ok, you’re ok, can’t we all just get along, Rodney King gospel is a recent fatal corruption of the last 100 years or so.
Well, I’m not familiar with Rodney King, so I can’t really respond to that.
But I will say that division and contrast is good and necessary. It forms the background from which choices are made. And the spark of Divinity (Christ) exists in every living being and beyond. Of course, at any given moment, the individual expression can be on the high-side or the low-side or anywhere in-between. But it exists everywhere, Universally, whether it’s full blast, like Jesus, or dormant and buried like in a criminal.
Like you said before, it doesn’t matter what a persons race, sex, or position is in Christ. I would add that it doesn’t matter to Divinity (Christ) what your religion is, but I’ll bet you’d disagree with that(!).
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
Well, I’m not familiar with Rodney King, so I can’t really respond to that.
But I will say that division and contrast is good and necessary. It forms the background from which choices are made. And the spark of Divinity (Christ) exists in every living being and beyond. Of course, at any given moment, the individual expression can be on the high-side or the low-side or anywhere in-between. But it exists everywhere, Universally, whether it’s full blast, like Jesus, or dormant and buried like in a criminal.
Like you said before, it doesn’t matter what a persons race, sex, or position is in Christ. I would add that it doesn’t matter to Divinity (Christ) what your religion is, but I’ll bet you’d disagree with that(!).
[/quote]Unity school huh? Believe whatever you want, but what you just said has nothing whatever to do with the God or Christ of the historic Christian gospel of the bible. So yes, except for your unfamiliarity with Rodney “can’t we all jist git along” King, which I’m not in a position to question, I disagree with every syllable you just typed by your definitions.
Oh yes, Unity School certainly had a way of cutting through the weeds, didn’t they?
They did have an positive influence on me way back when. I didn’t really spend a lot of time on their writings, not necessary. In retrospect though, I’d say they made a short but potent impact on me. Permanently burned away a lot of crap, thank God. Very grateful for that.
Whether you agree with it or not really doesn’t matter. I would say there is a Biblical basis for their teaching. But the amazing thing about the Bible and its thumpers, is that everyone can find passages to support their position. Piece of cake really.
But considering that everything else about existence on the planet has evolved over the past 2000 years, why wouldn’t the means to salvation/atonement have evolved as well?
Unsurprisingly, I continue to disagree with everything you just said. Why bother with the bible or Jesus at all? Just believe whatever mysticism suits your fancy.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]weby wrote:
judaism is a lie, Christianity is not.[/quote]
If Judaism is a lie, wouldn’t that make Christianity a lie?[/quote]
Yes.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]weby wrote:
[Silly Youtube Clip]
Wow. So much to be learned from this.
Like, say, how to post a meaningless video.[/quote]
Well, that and there are drunk assholes in every country, including Israel.
But there are certainly hard feelings among many Jewish people regarding some elements of Christian civilization. The World Counsel of Churches (liberal Methodists and non-Missouri Synod Lutherans and others) basically tells Jews to “go die already” on a regular basis.
There has been 1900 years of pogroms, forced conversions, kidnapping of children, expulsions, ghettos, and routine attempts at genocide.
Obviously, such treatment creates hard feelings.[/quote]
If you knew a person who was fired from every job he took, kicked out of all clubs he went and generally shunned then do you think that guy would be entirely innocent and all the other people wrong? Is there a remote possibility that it might be more complicated?
Even when jews don’t really practice any religion, they still call themselves jews, meaning that they identify strongly as a race, regardless of where they are. Thus, their interests as a race may well overcome their loyalty to any nation they inhabit, for example, and cause consequent disdain.
There is, of course, the argument which goes that jews have been persecuted because they are so succesful and brilliant. If it is any judge, the average IQ of Israel is significantly lower than that of USA and many european nations. Even when studying jews in exclusion, the differences (going by the most glamorous stats presented for jews) are not that great, and there are just not that many jews in the world.
As such, if it’s all about petty jealousy, why are not people mad about italians, japanese, germans and other large nationalities or just plain artificial cliques of connected folks (similar to how jews identify by name and tradition) who could, for all reasonable purposes, wield just as much influence?[/quote]
Some of the most successful people in the world have relatively low IQ’s compared to others.
Doesn’t take a genius to be successful. It takes common sense.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
If you knew a person who was fired from every job he took, kicked out of all clubs he went and generally shunned then do you think that guy would be entirely innocent and all the other people wrong? Is there a remote possibility that it might be more complicated?
Even when jews don’t really practice any religion, they still call themselves jews, meaning that they identify strongly as a race, regardless of where they are. Thus, their interests as a race may well overcome their loyalty to any nation they inhabit, for example, and cause consequent disdain.
There is, of course, the argument which goes that jews have been persecuted because they are so succesful and brilliant. If it is any judge, the average IQ of Israel is significantly lower than that of USA and many european nations. Even when studying jews in exclusion, the differences (going by the most glamorous stats presented for jews) are not that great, and there are just not that many jews in the world.
As such, if it’s all about petty jealousy, why are not people mad about italians, japanese, germans and other large nationalities or just plain artificial cliques of connected folks (similar to how jews identify by name and tradition) who could, for all reasonable purposes, wield just as much influence?[/quote]
Some of the most successful people in the world have relatively low IQ’s compared to others.
Doesn’t take a genius to be successful. It takes common sense.
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Also for the record there is neither Jew nor gentile, black or white, bond or free, rich or poor, male or female or any other earthly distinction in the gospel of Christ. Many members, one body all in Him, equally esteemed and loved. That is THE gospel. Anything that sets one man against another based on race, gender or station is not the gospel of Christ, but an evil perverse torturing of the scriptures not recognized by him.
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Nice post and this is exactly how I was raised. That’s why it baffles me when one religion claims to be “more true” than another religion. Christ is Universal, encompassing everyone all at once, whether they realize and allow it or not.[/quote]
You just stepped in shit.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Unsurprisingly, I continue to disagree with everything you just said. Why bother with the bible or Jesus at all? Just believe whatever mysticism suits your fancy.[/quote]
Yep…I use the St. Bonaventura Mysticism. I prefer nothing.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Also for the record there is neither Jew nor gentile, black or white, bond or free, rich or poor, male or female or any other earthly distinction in the gospel of Christ. Many members, one body all in Him, equally esteemed and loved. That is THE gospel. Anything that sets one man against another based on race, gender or station is not the gospel of Christ, but an evil perverse torturing of the scriptures not recognized by him.
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Nice post and this is exactly how I was raised. That’s why it baffles me when one religion claims to be “more true” than another religion. Christ is Universal, encompassing everyone all at once, whether they realize and allow it or not.[/quote]
You just stepped in shit.[/quote]
On the contrary, my friend.
I won’t touch dat shit.