[quote]Vegita wrote:
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I was being Sarcastic of course.
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Make me feel like a moron.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Michael Barone raised an interesting point (and question).
Clearly, Juan Williams’ affilation with FOX greatly bothered NPR and NPR’s audience.
So, by contrast, how much did Juan Williams’ affiliation with NPR bother FOX and FOX’s audience?[/quote]
Not at all. We see where the open minded people are and it isn’t NPR.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Michael Barone raised an interesting point (and question).
Clearly, Juan Williams’ affilation with FOX greatly bothered NPR and NPR’s audience.
So, by contrast, how much did Juan Williams’ affiliation with NPR bother FOX and FOX’s audience?[/quote]
Excellent point my good Sir!
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[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Considering he is FOX news resident, foaming at the mouth, right wing, radical, nut job, I would have to say this is not a surprise. Williams should count himself lucky that he isn’t living in Europe, where he would be in jail for making racist remarks.
Just remember this when NPR is fund raising. [/quote]
Jaun williams is not right wing at all.[/quote]
Just in case you didn’t realize it, I was being sarcastic about him being right wing. I watch FOX enough to be quite familiar with his beliefs. I can’t say that I agree with him much but he does seem like decent person. That is why I think it is a real shame for him to be treated in such a terrible fashion.
But he is lucky this isn’t Europe because they don’t have freedom of speech over there. He would be arrested and charged with racism offenses for what he said.
Of course what is silly about the whole affair is muslims in traditional dress aren’t necessarily the ones you need to worry about getting on a plane. It is the ones who are trying to blend in so they don’t attract attention that we really need to look out for. [/quote]
My bad, it is hard to read sarcasm. That is a good point about the ones trying to blend in.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Michael Barone raised an interesting point (and question).
Clearly, Juan Williams’ affilation with FOX greatly bothered NPR and NPR’s audience.
So, by contrast, how much did Juan Williams’ affiliation with NPR bother FOX and FOX’s audience?[/quote]
First of all Juan Williams is center/conservative by NPR standards so he was on thin ice with the NPR crowd already. I never liked him much and I didn’t even realize that he was a regular on fox news which I and many of my ilk are philosophically opposed too.
So as a centrist conservative he wasnt too controversial over at fox to begin with, and I think hes a generally a pretty responsible journalist so he wasnt doing any off the reservation style stuff like Beck or Olbermann that I find so distasteful. He was basically a footnote on FOX I feel. A nod towards ‘fair and balanced’
still dont think he should have been fired.
Interesting story that just happened here…
Obama is here at my alma mater, rallying for Barbara Boxer, and a union worker who was setting up equipment was fired and sent home for wearing a USS George HW Bush sweatshirt to the rally. The man’s son is serving on that battleship in the Gulf, and was showing his support.
Apparently, you can’t even wear something patriotic when President Gridlock comes to visit.
[quote]Eli B wrote:
First of all Juan Williams is center/conservative by NPR standards…[/quote]
Well, this fact, if true, is nothing short of an indictment of NPR.
I think that is nothing short of an indictment of NPR’s audience. No one should be on “thin ice” because of a political bent on a publicly supported radio outfit so long as he is otherwise qualified.
Full disclosure, I listen to NPR a fair amount. Or, I used to.
But he isn’t a “centrist conservative” generally - only one by the prism of NPR’s orthodoxy. More fairly stated, he is a liberal representing a liberal voice among other talking heads at FOX. In any event, he wasn’t controversial at FOX.
Actually, I think quite the opposite - he’s pretty well-known at FOX and by FOX’s audience.
That’s good, he shouldn’t have been.
But I still find it interesting that FOX’s audience has always been nonplussed by Williams’ relationship with NPR, yet NPR’s audience largely thinks him some kind of apostate because he maintains a relationship at FOX.
Just one more example that, when you peel back the layers, the Left’s commitment to “tolerance” and “open-mindedness” is, well, hypocrisy on stilts. And always has been.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Just one more example that, when you peel back the layers, the Left’s commitment to “tolerance” and “open-mindedness” is, well, hypocrisy on stilts. And always has been.
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Juan was mentioning this today. He said he thought it was the right who was intolerant, but now he’s beginning to think otherwise.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Just one more example that, when you peel back the layers, the Left’s commitment to “tolerance” and “open-mindedness” is, well, hypocrisy on stilts. And always has been.
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Juan was mentioning this today. He said he thought it was the right who was intolerant, but now he’s beginning to think otherwise.[/quote]
If anyone has ever had the opportunity to hear out the opinions of black AND white liberals concerning black republicans…yeah, they would’ve, or at least should’ve, woken up right then. Nothing like a white liberal questioning “the blackness” of an ‘Uncle Tom.’
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Michael Barone raised an interesting point (and question).
Clearly, Juan Williams’ affilation with FOX greatly bothered NPR and NPR’s audience.
So, by contrast, how much did Juan Williams’ affiliation with NPR bother FOX and FOX’s audience?[/quote]I have a feeling his sitting in for Bill O’Reilly on occasion didn’t help much either though ol Billy is no arch conservative in my view. He is in most liberal’s view though. I’m sure it’s been said, but he isn’t a sycophantic worshiper of the Obama administration either. He is generally a supporter.
A. What is Muslim garb? Other than a Burqa worn by some women I can’t think of anything. Sikhs wear turbans.
B. The 911 hijackers wore “normal” clothes.
C. He prefaced what he said with, “I’m not a bigot but…” That phrase has preceded a bigoted comment 99.999% of the time.
D. IMO being fired for stating your feelings isn’t necessarily the right thing to do, unless you tell a female coworker, for example, your true feelings when it comes to her breasts. So just being honest or just stating an opinion doesn’t give you a free pass automatically, all the time. Speech is not 100% free.
Had Williams acknowledged what he felt was bigoted rather than try and use his past work on the subject of racism and bigotry to give him a pass (like someone who says, “I’m not racist. I have black friends,” to defend racist comments) then maybe it would have been perceived differently. He did state later that stereotyping Muslims was wrong but to try and divorce himself from that wrong as though his feelings were not bigoted but anyone else who felt that way was bigoted; that’s just being a douche. And that whole “Muslim garb” thing was ignorant. Williams is supposed to be an intelligent and informed individual but he should know terrorists don’t wear signs.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
A. What is Muslim garb? Other than a Burqa worn by some women I can’t think of anything. Sikhs wear turbans.
B. The 911 hijackers wore “normal” clothes.
C. He prefaced what he said with, “I’m not a bigot but…” That phrase has preceded a bigoted comment 99.999% of the time.
D. IMO being fired for stating your feelings isn’t necessarily the right thing to do, unless you tell a female coworker, for example, your true feelings when it comes to her breasts. So just being honest or just stating an opinion doesn’t give you a free pass automatically, all the time. Speech is not 100% free.
Had Williams acknowledged what he felt was bigoted rather than try and use his past work on the subject of racism and bigotry to give him a pass (like someone who says, “I’m not racist. I have black friends,” to defend racist comments) then maybe it would have been perceived differently. He did state later that stereotyping Muslims was wrong but to try and divorce himself from that wrong as though his feelings were not bigoted but anyone else who felt that way was bigoted; that’s just being a douche. And that whole “Muslim garb” thing was ignorant. Williams is supposed to be an intelligent and informed individual but he should know terrorists don’t wear signs.
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Seems like Libs get alot more passes with their “bigotry” than Conservatives. How many times have we seen Maddow, Olberman, and the NAACP speak of racism towards the Tea Party, yet not once, NOT ONCE, have I seen a reprimand or repercussion (other than the Liberal candidate being voted out)?
People are tired of the bullshit, and the fear of being painted a racist has come and gone now. No one cares anymore, and they shouldn’t, because calling someone a racist will always be a fall-back excuse when someone doesn’t get their way.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
A. What is Muslim garb? Other than a Burqa worn by some women I can’t think of anything. Sikhs wear turbans.
B. The 911 hijackers wore “normal” clothes.
C. He prefaced what he said with, “I’m not a bigot but…” That phrase has preceded a bigoted comment 99.999% of the time.
D. IMO being fired for stating your feelings isn’t necessarily the right thing to do, unless you tell a female coworker, for example, your true feelings when it comes to her breasts. So just being honest or just stating an opinion doesn’t give you a free pass automatically, all the time. Speech is not 100% free.
Had Williams acknowledged what he felt was bigoted rather than try and use his past work on the subject of racism and bigotry to give him a pass (like someone who says, “I’m not racist. I have black friends,” to defend racist comments) then maybe it would have been perceived differently. He did state later that stereotyping Muslims was wrong but to try and divorce himself from that wrong as though his feelings were not bigoted but anyone else who felt that way was bigoted; that’s just being a douche. And that whole “Muslim garb” thing was ignorant. Williams is supposed to be an intelligent and informed individual but he should know terrorists don’t wear signs.
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Seems like Libs get alot more passes with their “bigotry” than Conservatives. How many times have we seen Maddow, Olberman, and the NAACP speak of racism towards the Tea Party, yet not once, NOT ONCE, have I seen a reprimand or repercussion (other than the Liberal candidate being voted out)?
People are tired of the bullshit, and the fear of being painted a racist has come and gone now. No one cares anymore, and they shouldn’t, because calling someone a racist will always be a fall-back excuse when someone doesn’t get their way. [/quote]
You do know that Williams is a lib so therefore, using your logic, he should have gotten a pass. Rick Sanchez and Helen Thomas as well.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Had Williams acknowledged what he felt was bigoted rather than try and use his past work on the subject of racism and bigotry to give him a pass (like someone who says, “I’m not racist. I have black friends,” to defend racist comments) then maybe it would have been perceived differently. He did state later that stereotyping Muslims was wrong but to try and divorce himself from that wrong as though his feelings were not bigoted but anyone else who felt that way was bigoted; that’s just being a douche. And that whole “Muslim garb” thing was ignorant. Williams is supposed to be an intelligent and informed individual but he should know terrorists don’t wear signs.
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What he said wasn’t bigoted at all.
My wife has admitted to me that while she was walking alone down a street at night and was approached by an adult male, she felt nervous.
So, using your standard of judging Williams’ as bigoted, clearly my wife is a man-hating misogynist.
Meanwhile, out here in the real world, I would suggest that my wife was experiencing a perfectly rational response to the fact that most rapes, and indeed most street crimes, are committed by men, in sparsely populated areas, and out of public view.
[quote]MrRezister wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Had Williams acknowledged what he felt was bigoted rather than try and use his past work on the subject of racism and bigotry to give him a pass (like someone who says, “I’m not racist. I have black friends,” to defend racist comments) then maybe it would have been perceived differently. He did state later that stereotyping Muslims was wrong but to try and divorce himself from that wrong as though his feelings were not bigoted but anyone else who felt that way was bigoted; that’s just being a douche. And that whole “Muslim garb” thing was ignorant. Williams is supposed to be an intelligent and informed individual but he should know terrorists don’t wear signs.
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What he said wasn’t bigoted at all.
My wife has admitted to me that while she was walking alone down a street at night and was approached by an adult male, she felt nervous.
So, using your standard of judging Williams’ as bigoted, clearly my wife is a man-hating misogynist.
Meanwhile, out here in the real world, I would suggest that my wife was experiencing a perfectly rational response to the fact that most rapes, and indeed most street crimes, are committed by men, in sparsely populated areas, and out of public view.
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Meh, rape is hardly a street crime.
Statistically speaking your wife is most likely to be raped by you, followed by a co-worker or some other aquaintance.
So therefore she really is a misogynist?
Ok, thanks for clearing that up.
[quote]MrRezister wrote:
So therefore she really is a misogynist?
Ok, thanks for clearing that up.[/quote]
Na, she suffers from misandry.
actually, i would say she suffers from androphobia
probably induced by TV (or her female friends).
same thing for Williams.
he suffers from islamophobia
probably induced by TV (or his male friends).
My wife hates and fears all men.
Got it.
not all men. not everytime. not everywhere.
these phobia are irrationals versions of rational fears.
rapists and terrorists are objectively dangerous.
but androphobia and islamophobia are based on negative fantasies. some kind of personnal storytelling.
these fears need a specific background to arise.
a dark alley, a clouded night.
an airport. a traditionnal garb.
symbols.