I appreciate you and Orion correcting me on a blatant misuse of a word. And I have to give you points for consistency. But frankly, I think it’s bluntly stupid to diagnose a psychological disorder in a person who admits to feeling anxiety in a potentially dangerous situation, just because the potential is tiny and remote.
[quote]MrRezister wrote:
I appreciate you and Orion correcting me on a blatant misuse of a word. And I have to give you points for consistency. But frankly, I think it’s bluntly stupid to diagnose a psychological disorder in a person who admits to feeling anxiety in a potentially dangerous situation, just because the potential is tiny and remote.[/quote]
Plus, there’s no phobia involved. Nervousness, a heightened awareness, is hardly phobic…You’re wife is perfectly fine being more alert around a strange man. Especially when there’s not much, if any, other company around. Getting struck by lighting is fairly remote, but I still remove myself from outdoors during a lighting storm.
No, sorry. I’ve been told by intellectuals that my wife is a fucking headcase and that’s just all there is to it.
I’ve got to take her out back and shoot her now.
She is broken.
[quote]MrRezister wrote:
No, sorry. I’ve been told by intellectuals that my wife is a fucking headcase and that’s just all there is to it.
I’ve got to take her out back and shoot her now.
She is broken.[/quote]
See, we are nothing if not constructive.
i actually agree.
these kind of “phobias” are quite prevalent, probably quasi-universal, and they are harmless as long as do not become collective, and the basis of an ideology.
for the record, i don’t think Williams needed to be fired, nor cured.
and your wife, despite being a bit irrationnal in some circonstances, is probably perfectly fine.
[quote]MrRezister wrote:
Meanwhile, out here in the real world, I would suggest that my wife was experiencing a perfectly rational response to the fact that most rapes, and indeed most street crimes, are committed by men, in sparsely populated areas, and out of public view.
[/quote]
But, most terror acts in the US and Europe are not committed by Muslims. Less than 10% of all acts have any connection to Islam. Also, what do you mean most street crimes are committed in sparsely populated areas? Like drive by shootings, prostitution, drug dealing, etc., in highly condensed population centers like inner cities?
And bigotry is not applied to discrimination based on sex so your wife example is not a good one. Change man to a man of a particular race and then you enter the realm of bigotry.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]MrRezister wrote:
Meanwhile, out here in the real world, I would suggest that my wife was experiencing a perfectly rational response to the fact that most rapes, and indeed most street crimes, are committed by men, in sparsely populated areas, and out of public view.
[/quote]
But, most terror acts in the US and Europe are not committed by Muslims. Less than 10% of all acts have any connection to Islam. Also, what do you mean most street crimes are committed in sparsely populated areas? Like drive by shootings, prostitution, drug dealing, etc., in highly condensed population centers like inner cities?
And bigotry is not applied to discrimination based on sex so your wife example is not a good one. Change man to a man of a particular race and then you enter the realm of bigotry. [/quote]
My man, you are completely discounting the effect of a very very high profile event. Namely, 9-11. Because of the emotional impact of 9-11, any and every crime or attempted crime by a muslim, or someone with ties to muslims, is going to be amplified within the minds of the general public.
If you are walking out in your yard and one day you get a bee sting. No big deal, you say ow, and go about your life. Now say in one week you get 2 bee stings in your yard. You think, what bad luck, dumb bees. Now say you get stung 20 times in one day because you accidentally stirred an underground nest? I’ll tell you what you are going to do. You are going to find and remove or have someone remove the nest, and for many years, you will take notice of bees and wasps with much more attention than you did prior to the event. You had a bad experience and it wasn’t pleasant. You will see a bee and a wasp starting a small nest, you will buy wasp spay and kill the nest. You will take extra steps to avoid getting stung 20 times like that again. Are you following me here?
What you and many liberals want us to act like goes against the basic survival programming of the human brain.
V
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
But, most terror acts in the US and Europe are not committed by Muslims. Less than 10% of all acts have any connection to Islam. [/quote]
Bull-Fucking-Shit! Please back this up.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]MrRezister wrote:
Meanwhile, out here in the real world, I would suggest that my wife was experiencing a perfectly rational response to the fact that most rapes, and indeed most street crimes, are committed by men, in sparsely populated areas, and out of public view.
[/quote]
But, most terror acts in the US and Europe are not committed by Muslims. Less than 10% of all acts have any connection to Islam. Also, what do you mean most street crimes are committed in sparsely populated areas? Like drive by shootings, prostitution, drug dealing, etc., in highly condensed population centers like inner cities?
And bigotry is not applied to discrimination based on sex so your wife example is not a good one. Change man to a man of a particular race and then you enter the realm of bigotry. [/quote]
If you change the man to a speciffic race, it becomes racism not bigotry.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]MrRezister wrote:
Meanwhile, out here in the real world, I would suggest that my wife was experiencing a perfectly rational response to the fact that most rapes, and indeed most street crimes, are committed by men, in sparsely populated areas, and out of public view.
[/quote]
But, most terror acts in the US and Europe are not committed by Muslims. Less than 10% of all acts have any connection to Islam. Also, what do you mean most street crimes are committed in sparsely populated areas? Like drive by shootings, prostitution, drug dealing, etc., in highly condensed population centers like inner cities?
And bigotry is not applied to discrimination based on sex so your wife example is not a good one. Change man to a man of a particular race and then you enter the realm of bigotry. [/quote]
My man, you are completely discounting the effect of a very very high profile event. Namely, 9-11. Because of the emotional impact of 9-11, any and every crime or attempted crime by a muslim, or someone with ties to muslims, is going to be amplified within the minds of the general public.
If you are walking out in your yard and one day you get a bee sting. No big deal, you say ow, and go about your life. Now say in one week you get 2 bee stings in your yard. You think, what bad luck, dumb bees. Now say you get stung 20 times in one day because you accidentally stirred an underground nest? I’ll tell you what you are going to do. You are going to find and remove or have someone remove the nest, and for many years, you will take notice of bees and wasps with much more attention than you did prior to the event. You had a bad experience and it wasn’t pleasant. You will see a bee and a wasp starting a small nest, you will buy wasp spay and kill the nest. You will take extra steps to avoid getting stung 20 times like that again. Are you following me here?
What you and many liberals want us to act like goes against the basic survival programming of the human brain.
V[/quote]
Good point V, but some will still say the two are not the same , and then blast you for hating all bees instead of just the 20 that stung you.
[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
My man, you are completely discounting the effect of a very very high profile event. Namely, 9-11. Because of the emotional impact of 9-11, any and every crime or attempted crime by a muslim, or someone with ties to muslims, is going to be amplified within the minds of the general public.
If you are walking out in your yard and one day you get a bee sting. No big deal, you say ow, and go about your life. Now say in one week you get 2 bee stings in your yard. You think, what bad luck, dumb bees. Now say you get stung 20 times in one day because you accidentally stirred an underground nest? I’ll tell you what you are going to do. You are going to find and remove or have someone remove the nest, and for many years, you will take notice of bees and wasps with much more attention than you did prior to the event. You had a bad experience and it wasn’t pleasant. You will see a bee and a wasp starting a small nest, you will buy wasp spay and kill the nest. You will take extra steps to avoid getting stung 20 times like that again. Are you following me here?
What you and many liberals want us to act like goes against the basic survival programming of the human brain.
V[/quote]
Good point V, but some will still say the two are not the same , and then blast you for hating all bees instead of just the 20 that stung you.[/quote]
You know, the last time I was in Minneapolis, my brother, his girlfriend, friend and I were jumped. It was black men that did it. What do you and Veg think? Should I be hating “all bees instead of just the 20 that stung me?”
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
You know, the last time I was in Minneapolis, my brother, his girlfriend, friend and I were jumped. It was black men that did it. What do you and Veg think? Should I be hating “all bees instead of just the 20 that stung me?”
[/quote]
Well, I don’t think so. Hating all? Nah. But, I sure as heck wouldn’t feel a bit of guilt when the old inner alarms bells go off.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
You know, the last time I was in Minneapolis, my brother, his girlfriend, friend and I were jumped. It was black men that did it. What do you and Veg think? Should I be hating “all bees instead of just the 20 that stung me?” [/quote]
Why would you, unless you had been jumped on the order of, say, 20 times, not just once?
Also, how many other times have you been around black men when they didn’t jump you?
And who said anything about “hating”? This is about heuristics. Look into it.
EDIT: I see where the “hating” comment came from (Super-T). Plainly, that is idiotic.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Had Williams acknowledged what he felt was bigoted…[/quote]
There was no need, because it isn’t “bigotry” that he was feeling. It was intuition.
Williams was not experiecing an “irrational suspicion or hatred” of Muslims - he was reacting because of experience and split-second judgments based on survival instincts.
Such instincts don’t cater to political correctness, nor do they care if they are ultimately wrong in the long run - and it’s the same instinct that makes a mousy woman change sides of the street when she sees a group of tattooed skinheads. Maybe she’s dead wrong - maybe they are Christian rock band - but she doesn’t care, because as a matter of survival, she doesn’t owe them the benefit of the doubt.
Such instincts also have obvious limits - but to pretend that they are equivalent to “bigotry” is not only galactically stupid, it is against our nature and flatly dangerous.
And how do we know this largely solves itself? Williams didn’t say he wouldn’t board the plane or otherwise fly with Muslims on board. He merely had a reaction, and not one he should apologize for.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
EDIT: I see where the “hating” comment came from (Super-T). Plainly, that is idiotic.[/quote]
Yep, this is why I posted. I’m glad you condemn it.
This is the crux of it, I think. Experience with a group takes away from such feelings.
Thunder Bolt and Gambit, Read my post I said OTHERS would say you hate not me. That is what happened to Juan. He mentions he gets nervous bording a plane with muslums, and now all of a sudden he is a biggot. Now go back and read the analogy that V gave, then read my post again now that I have explained it better. Maybe I should have written sarcasm on it to let people know. The only thing idiotic is jumping to conclusions with out comprehinding what you read.
[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
Thunder Bolt and Gambit, Read my post I said OTHERS would say you hate not me. That is what happened to Juan. He mentions he gets nervous bording a plane with muslums, and now all of a sudden he is a biggot. Now go back and read the analogy that V gave, then read my post again now that I have explained it better. Maybe I should have written sarcasm on it to let people know. The only thing idiotic is jumping to conclusions with out comprehinding what you read.[/quote]
He did not say he gets nervous with muslims on the plane, he gets nervous with people wearing muslim garb on planes.
Big difference.
Yes, yes - clearly he has a deep-rooted irrational fear of particular types of clothing. I recommend exposure to Fashion Week and electroshock therapy, stat.
eletroshock therapy could do the trick but i won’t recommend exposure to Fashion Week.
it would go against the first principle of the hippocratic oath : “never do harm to anyone”
[quote]John S. wrote:
[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
Thunder Bolt and Gambit, Read my post I said OTHERS would say you hate not me. That is what happened to Juan. He mentions he gets nervous bording a plane with muslums, and now all of a sudden he is a biggot. Now go back and read the analogy that V gave, then read my post again now that I have explained it better. Maybe I should have written sarcasm on it to let people know. The only thing idiotic is jumping to conclusions with out comprehinding what you read.[/quote]
He did not say he gets nervous with muslims on the plane, he gets nervous with people wearing muslim garb on planes.
Big difference.[/quote]
Thanks, I see where I left that out.