Thanks man! I’m just glad she’s healthy and alert.
Ahh, at least you didn’t feel a different the few times you switched it up. Do you go through a private practice for your treatment?
Yeah, my doctor is a naturopath on TRT himself out of a chiropractic office.
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My primary care doctor ran my first labs and told me I was good at at 307 total. I emailed him that I wasnt happy with my numbers and wanted further thyroid testing and he ignored me so I dropped him.
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Typical, mine told me my 250’s reading was fine too.
No it has a high amount in the scrotul skin and that’s why it converts to DHT.
Since You are not building esters up in your system. Your testing of this new protocol will be short lived. Sure long term estrogen build up is unknown, but it’s les than cypionate. Cream doesn’t sit in the system for 30 days and slowly release as you add more. Keep that in mind. if you feel horrid you can change dose and be fine within 1-2 days since it has a much much much shorter half life.
Just do yourself a favor and do not expect much benefit for 2-4 weeks after the injections are stopped. You are on a small dose so it should not be a big deal after week 1…just be careful. Those esters are still in the body and releasing for a few weeks as you apply cream.
When I started cream in injections I did not wait and i felt like crap until about 4 weeks out.
I’m surprised your doc made the move to this and not scrotul. I would just stay on injections and add an ai. Skin gel or cream creates more e2 than what I’m suggesting .
Hope that helps
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Morons I hate how they are so ignorant
Yah boy congrats!!!
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Gotcha, the opposite. I really wanted to do it scrotally and I’m also surprised my doctor wasn’t into it.
This is a good thing, however, if it fails I’m not looking forward to having to go through the reintroduction period back onto injections.
Another thing I’ve seen from the reading. Idk why he’d suggest this if it increases E2 even more than injections.
I’m really frustrated and all over the place with this stuff so I apologize. Truth be told I’m scared shitless of trying the cream because of how E2 affects me.
I can say with confidence to Just do scrotul. Start with a very very small dose. If you take a small dose on the skin it won’t be potent and you are going to feel like shit from low t.
If you take one click and apply to scrotum you should get mich higher levels and les e2 than the skin.
I wouldn’t suggest it if I was not confident or did not understand the science.
Get some ai because you might end up going in that if this doesn’t work. Don’t drive yourself crazy trying to stay off it.
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Thanks for the advice man. Would you mind linking all the studies you have on scrotal application? I need them for speaking with my doctor.
Look at the one above and one sec for the others
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/andr.12357
A couple videos with good info that you should watch.
This guy has a Facebook page that has docs within and I’d love to invite you. You can get more answers from a bunch of professionals and folks who are studying this throughly. My email is in my profile . Send me your Facebook email and name and I’ll add you. Once friends I will invite.
This group is a spin off from jay Campbell’s paid Facebook group. Many of the folks here have been banned by jay or got sick of the militaristic nonsense on the paid. Also many docs left the jay Campbell hemisphere after they found out he was being very unprofessional and etc.
So yeah I’d love to get you on the group brother.
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Thanks a lot man!
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Just posted labs in my thread man. Profile - rise80 - Forums - T Nation. Quick rundown though Total is 800 (264-916), free 25.7 (8.7-25.1), E2 14 (8.0-35), DHT 260 (30-85) and hematocrit 49.1% (37.5-51.0).
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Thanks for the heads up, those are great numbers besides the E2. How are you feeling?
I feel pretty good overall. I’m sure I will feel even better after i let my E2 climb back up. Going to adjust my AI from .5mg a week to .25. I also skipped last nights dose all together. I dont know what to think about those DHT numbers though. Thats pretty damn high.
They are, have you asked physiolojik? He might be able to give you some insight on whether the high DHT is an issue.
I haven’t. I’ll have to go to his ask thread in the pharma section and ask. Hopefully i can get something out of him.
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Good deal man.
I know we’ve talked this to death, but I’m still on the fence about the scrotal cream application. Did you get the idea on your own and you’re just using your prescription for this purpose, or is your doctor up on the research? I’m scared of starting a new protocol without the full support of my doctor. His talk about intratesticular estrogen freaks me out too. He wants me to just apply to shoulders and biceps but it’s not practical for me with a newborn nor does the research show it to be very effective. I guess I should just ask physiolojik myself.
DHT is fine . They’ve been raising it for a long time and it does not effect prostate or cause other issues. It’s probably st peak and then drops.