[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
“Western idealism, universal freedom, is such that all lives are to be respected on a
basic, fundamental level” is some SIXTIES hippie bullshit.[/quote]
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
This is where I get that sense of idealism from, not the hippie movement.
[/quote]The Declaration of Independence lists those as “unalienable rights”. When that was written, they still owned slaves, were slaughtering native Americans by the village (men, women and children) and had no problem what so ever about waging a bloody war with Britain for seven years after that. Methinks there’s just a TOUCH of hypocrisy in that idealism… [quote]
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
The commanders in charge during WWII certainly didn’t have that bullshit holding them back when we nuked the shit out of Japan. And HOLY SHIT… IT WORKED! Took the will to fight right out of those imperialist bastards to the point where they GAVE UP THEIR ARMY… [/quote]
Current historical thought holds that the U.S. destroying the shit out of the Japanese forces, to the point that the homelands themselves were threatened, essentially removed any legitimacy that militarist had. The Japanese people saw that their armies were not, after all, invincible. This paved the way for the more moderate factions to speak out.
[/quote]Imagine that…[quote]
[/quote]A history lesson that has nothing to do with the situation at hand OR what I wrote. [quote]
In short… You’re wrong. You are speaking out of your ass.
[/quote]No, you decided to give me a history lesson. Different times, different set of circumstances - I don’t think the bomb is the ONLY thing we should do. It’s a START. Do you REALLY think that I believe this is 1945? C’mon, buddy… [quote]
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
But I’m just talking out of my ass. We should just pretend that shit didn’t happen and that the Japanese DIDN’T completely and utterly STOP all aggressive activities when we wiped out two of their cities. I’m not saying it’s NICE. I’m saying it would WORK. And that it’s a strategy that we should consider.
You apparently had a problem with a country HANGING two convicted terrorists in response to their group BURNING A MAN ALIVE… [/quote]
No, I have a problem with responding to brutality with brutality. Declaring war and beating a country to submission after they attacked us is fine. What the U.S. did to Japan is perfectly fine, and in my honest opinion the U.S. should have destroyed Japan and completely rewritten them in the manner we did with Germany. The Japanese should have been humbled to the point that they are forever apologetic to the East Asian countries they brutalized as does the Germans to the Jews. None of this happened, and it still pisses me off.
[/quote]I can’t argue with you on that point - that’s pretty fucked up.[quote]
As I mentioned to Aragorn, I was responding more to this “These ISIS terrorists are scum and should be treated as such.” portion of Gkhan’s posts. Fighting and killing people is fine, but when we descend to being as brutal as they are, then what moral ground do we have? It becomes a pointless exercise and we lose any justification we had in destroying them.
[/quote]Who gives a fuck about the “moral high ground”? War is not won with “morality”, it is won by destroying your enemy to the point where he cannot attack you anymore. THAT’S IT. Morality has no place in war. Especially when you are fighting against religious fanatics who will willingly DIE for their cause. At that point, you can throw your morality out the window if you want even a CHANCE of winning against such a determined enemy. Our “justification” in destroying them lies not with any “moral authority”, it lies in the fact that they are burning people, cutting their heads off, raping villages of women and girls, and persecuting EVERYONE who they come across - even other muslims. FUCK THEM! They don’t get the privilege of being treated like a “normal” enemy. The Geneva Convention doesn’t apply here - it’s not like THEY will follow it! Sometimes to be a champion, you must explore the darkness too…[quote]
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
We aren’t dealing with a Western democracy. We are dealing with a pack of sub-human animals who are brainwashed by an evil religion. And that religion is spreading and putting ALL Western democracy in grave danger.[/quote]
BULLSHIT. The Germans killing off 6 million people and forcibly murdering and sterilizing anyone they don’t like doesn’t qualify them as “sub-human animals?” What of the Japanese murdering tens of millions of East Asian peoples? Doesn’t that qualify them as “sub-human animals”?
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I wasn’t alive during WWII, so I can’t really DO anything about that now, can I? Can YOU? Why are you so pissed about something that’s outside of your sphere of influence. It happened, it’s over, end of story - learn from it and move on. ISIS is HERE and NOW. They are a blight on our planet that needs to be wiped out. We have the power to do it, but not the will. Why aren’t you pissed off about THAT?