[quote]smh_23 wrote:
No. A perfectly legitimate tactic in debate – one of the best, in fact – is to deduce from your opponent’s argument an axiom and then test that axiom to see if it is so widely applicable/absurd/ahistorical as to dilute his argument to meaninglessness.[/quote]
None of these words here mean a damn thing related to Obamacare, or our arguement except in your opinion of yourself.
America’s long, slow decline into collectivism isn’t refutation that one particular portion of said decline isn’t. Jesus, our progressive tax system, which I prefer to flat tax, is communistic in nature. It attempts to even out the classes, or at the very least takes from the able and gives to the need. ANd it for shit sure tries to control behaviors, in a limp dick somewhat ineffective manner no doubt.
Government dictation of a market (labor market in this instance) is central planning. Central planning that effects, and controls all companies and employees means those actors, outside the government don’t have freedom of choice. They don’t have ownership over their means, it is “collective” in that the government is “the people”. Obamacare controls the labor market. No not completely, but in large magnitude, magnitudes you don’t understand, and most outside of management don’t.
The (quite ridiculous I might add) additional taxation Obamacare burdens on “the upper class” is nothing short of redistribution of wealth, which the man has specifically advocated for, with his own words, that you’ll now argue mean something else. Redistribution is without question the elimination of “classes” and the “equalization” of the people.
And no, people being forced into Ponzi Schemes (SS & Medicare) and the subsequent perversion of those programs do not make the above not true. The fact we have welfare and other social programs (I’m not arguing the fact you have a legit point that we’ve been sliding down the rabbit hole for a long while) doesn’t make the above suddenly untrue, or go away.
The fucking man’s most recent tax plan is so laughably class warfare political rhetoric, I can’t believe I would have to outline it as such.
Fuck, and no. Not even close. Calling an orange, the color orange doesnt’ suddenly make it a grapefruit because they have similar colors and are both citrus.
[quote] My response to you accomplished all of this, legitimately and easily.
I am done explaining how this works.[/quote]
No, your response was a lazy way of focusing on some technical aspect of argument in order to avoid the actual point.