[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Is it so hard for you to recognize that by essentially saying that the cop was wrong – which is what those quotes mean to any thinking person – and therefore the murderer of a black “child”, he created an environment where blacks saw rioting as a more justified and appropriate behavior? [/quote]
Now we’re moving from “he incited them to violence” and a ludicrous allusion to Goebbels, which is how this began, to “he created an atmosphere…”
I have already said that he was very obviously wrong about Brown – though if you think those people were protesting Brown and not some general and amorphous grievance for which Brown (incorrectly) became a synecdoche, then you haven’t spent enough time around “those people.” And at least some of that grievance is objectively legitimate.
But either way, I have yet to see a hint of a shred of evidence of incitement to violence. I recognize that you can think he shouldn’t have said what he said. But you can’t call a duck a deer.[/quote]
Please keep your responses to me about what I (not others) have written.[/quote]
“Which is how this began” was an acknowledgement that you were not involved in the Goebbels thing, and I did not mean to insinuate otherwise. The post of mine that you quoted said “So you don’t have any words inciting violence. OK.” It’s perfectly legitimate for me to point out that incitement to violence is not what you’re alleging, at least not directly.
No, I don’t. Remarks creating an “atmosphere conducive to violence” do not look, in their opening paragraphs, like this: "First and foremost, we are a nation built on the rule of law. And so we need to accept that this decision was the grand jury’s to make. There are Americans who agree with it, and there are Americans who are deeply disappointed, even angry. It’s an understandable reaction. But I join Michael’s parents in asking anyone who protests this decision to do so peacefully. Let me repeat Michael’s father’s words: “Hurting others or destroying property is not the answer. No matter what the grand jury decides, I do not want my son’s death to be in vain. I want it to lead to incredible change, positive change, change that makes the St. Louis region better for everyone.”
The President is not our babysitter. When he says that there are some things wrong with police procedure vis-a-vis blacks in this country – a statement with which I’ve already said I at least partially agree – but everybody needs to remain peaceful, he is neither inciting violence nor creating “an atmosphere conducive to violence” by any stretch of the imagination, and to suggest otherwise is nonsense. If that message encourages someone to be violent, that’s a problem with the person, not the message. People rioted and burned shit because they were idiots and criminals, not because of prepared remarks read on CNN about calmly airing grievances and bottle-throwing not fixing anything.
And they started before Obama finished his remarks, long before any of them heard anything he’d said – which eviscerates any causal relationship.