Jon Stewart Highlights the Hypocrisy

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]loppar wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’ve heard it and don’t believe a word of it. Lots of people hate their father but don’t go to the trouble of legally changing their name out of “spite”. He’s hardly going to say he changed his name to avoid being seen as a Jew is he? So he made up some bullshit about spiting the old man.[/quote]

I suppose Tony Curtis, Kirk Douglas, Jonah Hill and literally hundreds upon hundreds of Jewish people that have changed their surnames in show business are self hating Jews?[/quote]

No… It’s a pretty well accepted anecdote that Jews don’t fair as well as actors and actresses as do their non-Jewish counterparts.

America is a cesspool of oppression and evil capitalism, being a Jew in show business is no exception.

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[quote]loppar wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’ve heard it and don’t believe a word of it. Lots of people hate their father but don’t go to the trouble of legally changing their name out of “spite”. He’s hardly going to say he changed his name to avoid being seen as a Jew is he? So he made up some bullshit about spiting the old man.[/quote]

I suppose Tony Curtis, Kirk Douglas, Jonah Hill and literally hundreds upon hundreds of Jewish people that have changed their surnames in show business are self hating Jews?[/quote]

It’s more complex than that. Someone who identies as a Jew not only gets openly hostile and passive aggressive behaviour from some folk they also bear a responsibility in that their bad behaviour reflects poorly on the community. Basically these Hollywood types don’t have the character or the balls to be a Jew.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
It will be like the next bailout: student loans.

Who will get the blame? Sallie Mae, the schools or the students?[/quote]

It is one thing to call Wall Street not the only player in the collapse. It is quite another to make the preposterous idea that they had no hand in it. [/quote]

Sure. They are all culpable. There was a lot of money to be made post-collapse.

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The poor fuckin’ Jews just can’t catch a break.

Everybody spends so much of history hating them, and now that many of us have come to entirely accept them, even admire them, they have to evince a particular set of political biases – none of which has anything whatsoever to do with their self-regard – or else they hate themselves. And they had better not go by their first and middle names if they go into show business. That really makes them hate themselves, unlike all of these people:

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[quote]H factor wrote:

You can’t change stupid people, but it is not stupid people’s job to make sure they can’t get a huge loan. That is the person giving out the loans job. [/quote]

I disagree. If someone wants to package their morning shit and sell it, and someone is dumb enough to buy it, it isn’t government’s place to stop that. It is Darwinism. The world needs less people dumb enough to buy shit anyway.

That said, I have no problems with laws that say the person HAS to tell the truth and advertise their shit, as shit.

See the difference? Your statement has big daddy government taking care of use. Mine has the government forcing honest disclosure, but people making their own choices.

The incentive for banks was returns. The fact the entire shit show crashed pretty much destroyed the incentives.

The incentive for the government was just another bubble propped up by the Fed to placate the economy that is in desperate need of a depression. I know what sounds evil, but you can’t inflate away all the cycles in an economy except growth. Eventually you run out of bubbles to create.

The fed is out of ideas, they can’t just makes rates negative. We’re on a crash course for complete and total global meltdown, worse than the one that gave rise to Hitler. Unless we have some sort of technological ultra breakthrough (development of the viable alternative to the internal combustion engine that doesn’t just transfer the use of fossil fuels like most “smart” cars…) we are straight doomed.

Real estate is going to be worth it’s weight in gold for time eternal. SO the incentive for the average Joe to mortgage a home they can’t afford will never go away.

You’re missing what the problem is/was.

[quote]What type of reform changes do you think need to be made and why?

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I have no issue with additional disclosure rules, rules over fed manipulations of the money supply, and rules preventing another bailout.

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:
And they had better not go by their first and middle names if they go into show business. [/quote]

I think Sarah Silverman mentions it a lot, that you are better off not being “like really jewish” in Hollywood.

I’m pretty sure I’m not pulling the discrimination card out of my ass here. It’s possible, but I don’t think so.

There are plenty of successful Jews in show business, plenty, but I think the overall idea was not to be super jewish…

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:
The poor fuckin’ Jews just can’t catch a break.

Everybody spends so much of history hating them, and now that many of us have come to entirely accept them, even admire them, they have to evince a particular set of political biases – none of which has anything whatsoever to do with their self-regard – or else they hate themselves. And they had better not go by their first and middle names if they go into show business. That really makes them hate themselves, unlike all of these people:

It’s a completely different thing when a Gentile changes their name for a number of reasons. One is that Gentiles don’t get passive aggressive and hostile behaviour from some folk in the same sort of way and they(Gentiles) aren’t a group of people like say European Jews, three quarters of whom were wiped out a little while ago and now the fate of the survivors is intrinsically connected to the fate of Israel. Those are some of the reasons it’s different.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’ve heard it and don’t believe a word of it. Lots of people hate their father but don’t go to the trouble of legally changing their name out of “spite”. He’s hardly going to say he changed his name to avoid being seen as a Jew is he? So he made up some bullshit about spiting the old man.[/quote]

I did, though more to honor and identify with the family that primarily raised me rather than to spite the one who contributed sperm and financial support while screwing dozens of women not named JLD2k3’s mom while married to her for 20 years.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
On point as usual.

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I considered this judge a fucking imbecile. The punishment doled out was a travesty of justice. My take on the cheating scandal is, who gives a fuck? Fire them and don’t let them work in education anymore. 20 years in prison with a mandatory 7 served is beyond ridiculous to me. Prison for changing a few scores? The justice in this situation is so disproportionate to the crime, it’s ridiculous. Slap them on the wrist and let it go. There should not be a single person in prison serving longer terms than any person convicted of rape or murder. But that is what you have here. Manslaughter terms and rape terms shorter than a test cheat? Come the fuck on…

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:
And they had better not go by their first and middle names if they go into show business. [/quote]

I think Sarah Silverman mentions it a lot, that you are better off not being “like really jewish” in Hollywood.

I’m pretty sure I’m not pulling the discrimination card out of my ass here. It’s possible, but I don’t think so.

There are plenty of successful Jews in show business, plenty, but I think the overall idea was not to be super jewish… [/quote]

Sure, lots of people get discriminated against. There is even the simple fact that longer and funny-sounding (to WASP ears) names are simply not going to be as conducive to fame-success as a strong 2-3-syllable slice of American pie like Brad Pitt.

But none of this – discrimination or otherwise – leads anywhere close to “self-loathing,” which is a stupid and reductive and condescending term. Jon Stewart goes with his middle name because it might make it slightly easier for him in show biz —> becomes millionaire. More like self-loving, treating himself to all those piles of money.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’ve heard it and don’t believe a word of it. Lots of people hate their father but don’t go to the trouble of legally changing their name out of “spite”. He’s hardly going to say he changed his name to avoid being seen as a Jew is he? So he made up some bullshit about spiting the old man.[/quote]

Actually, I could understand do that. Depends on how big an asshole your related to. I don’t know if Stewart really did that or if it was just show-biz, but I could see doing it.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:
The poor fuckin’ Jews just can’t catch a break.

Everybody spends so much of history hating them, and now that many of us have come to entirely accept them, even admire them, they have to evince a particular set of political biases – none of which has anything whatsoever to do with their self-regard – or else they hate themselves. And they had better not go by their first and middle names if they go into show business. That really makes them hate themselves, unlike all of these people:

It’s a completely different thing when a Gentile changes their name for a number of reasons. One is that Gentiles don’t get passive aggressive and hostile behaviour from some folk in the same sort of way[/quote]

Jews are the only people discriminated against, the only people who “get passive aggressive and hostile” behavior because of their identity (i.e., in the same sort of way)? No, not in the slightest. Not at all.

I can name as many Jews as Hispanics/blacks who have hit it big in entertainment and show business, and I can guarantee you that someone with a name like Jaquarius Abidemi Do’ote has as much to gain from a stage name as does Ari Goldstein.

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and they(Gentiles) aren’t a group of people like say European Jews, three quarters of whom were wiped out a little while ago[/quote]

Which has nothing to do with any of this. I bet Jon Stewart isn’t a fan of the Shoah. Doesn’t mean he can’t dislike Bibi Netanyahu, and it doesn’t mean he hates himself. Obviously.

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and now the fate of the survivors is intrinsically connected to the fate of Israel.[/quote]

Stewart – like, until recently, most Jews – doesn’t live in Israel, and doesn’t have to live in it, and doesn’t have to like it, and doesn’t have to care about it. And even if he did live there, he could criticize Israeli policy from sunup to sundown…and still not loathe himself in the slightest.

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

Jews are the only people discriminated against, the only people who “get passive aggressive and hostile” behavior because of their identity (i.e., in the same sort of way)? No, not in the slightest.
I can name as many Jews as Hispanics/blacks who have hit it big in entertainment and show business, and I can guarantee you that someone with a name like Jaquarius Abidemi Do’ote has as much to gain from a stage name as does Ari Goldstein.

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You’ll guarantee me will you? Really I don’t want to argue about whether everyone is discriminated against in equal measure or not. It really doesn’t interest me anyway as I’m not black, Hispanic or a self identifying Jew. I’m just giving my opinion from my experience.

Half the Israeli nationalists don’t really support Netanyahu because they’re left-wing, socialist Zionists not conservatives. But Stewart isn’t a supporter of Israel or Netanyahu. He’s not interested in the slightest in Israel and therefore not interested in the fate of the Jews. It’s not politics or even left and right. It’s a matter of responsibility and survival.

He’s a Jew and he hates being a Jew.

And I don’t have to like him nor refrain from expressing why.

Well I certainly loath him anyway.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Stewart isn’t a supporter of Israel or Netanyahu.[/quote]

Nor is he required to be in order not to hate himself.

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He’s not interested in the slightest in Israel[/quote]

This ^ is hyperbole, but here again: nor is he required to be in order not to hate himself.

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and therefore not interested in the fate of the Jews.[/quote]

More hyperbole. Criticism of Israeli conduct and policy =/= hatred or dislike of Jews =/= hatred of dislike of oneself for being Jewish.

So you keep saying without evidence.

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And I don’t have to like him nor refrain from expressing why.[/quote]

Of course not. But this doesn’t stop you from being wrong.

But I suppose I won’t refrain from expressing my own opinion then. “Self-loathing Jew” has become a kind of quasi-antisemitic slur, reducing an entire people and religion and history to a set of simplistic political biases to which they must subscribe or else become thought-criminals, wrong-thinkers: self-loathing…what term should we use here? What comparison? A lowly animal will work – one undeserving even of its own self-regard. A lion won’t do. Neither will an eagle. We need something that lives in filth, spreads disease perhaps…

Edited.

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Okay pedant. He loves himself(a Jew) whilst having no interest in Jewry, Judaism or Jewish culture. Is that satisfactory?

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Okay pedant. He loves himself(a Jew) whilst having no interest in Jewry, Judaism or Jewish culture. Is that satisfactory? [/quote]

Even if you had the first idea about how much interest he has in “Jewry” and “Jewish culture” – which you don’t – Stewart’s being uninterested in the religion and history of his ancestors no more signals his hatred of himself than my being uninterested in the religion and history of my ancestors signals the same in me.

Pedant or no, this is fun and fucking easy.

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Okay pedant. He loves himself(a Jew) whilst having no interest in Jewry, Judaism or Jewish culture. Is that satisfactory? [/quote]

Even if you had the first idea about how much interest he has in “Jewry” and “Jewish culture” – which you don’t – Stewart’s being uninterested in the religion and history of his ancestors no more signals his hatred of himself than my being uninterested in the religion and history of my ancestors signals the same in me.

Pedant or no, this is fun and fucking easy.[/quote]

It’s infantile and demonstrative of why I shouldn’t waste so much time here.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Okay pedant. He loves himself(a Jew) whilst having no interest in Jewry, Judaism or Jewish culture. Is that satisfactory? [/quote]

Even if you had the first idea about how much interest he has in “Jewry” and “Jewish culture” – which you don’t – Stewart’s being uninterested in the religion and history of his ancestors no more signals his hatred of himself than my being uninterested in the religion and history of my ancestors signals the same in me.

Pedant or no, this is fun and fucking easy.[/quote]

It’s infantile and demonstrative of why I shouldn’t waste so much time here.
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I think what’s infantile is making purely hyperbolic comments that you can’t possibly prove (and entirely just reflect your opinion on a man) and then whining when someone calls you on it.

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
It will be like the next bailout: student loans.

Who will get the blame? Sallie Mae, the schools or the students?[/quote]

The real blame lies with government. Capitalism is a system of profit and loss. A free market only works when you have both. When the government decides to pick winners and losers with subsidized anything, like home and student loans, it tips the balance and diminishes competition by artificially changing supply and demand. Every major financial crisis had been a failure of (too much) government.

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I’m just curious smh - when I walk through Bondi / Watsons Bay / Bellvue Hill etc on a Saturday morning there’s Israeli guys in sunglasses outside every synagogue acting as security, asking strangers who they are / what they’re doing etc. They’re just being melodramatic right? Drama queens right? I mean it’s no more likely they’ll be harmed than some Puerto Rican guy. That’s what you’re saying isn’t it?