[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Good points. I didnt even think of the ‘cns rebound’
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Now people will be talking about cluster shots, drink ramping (this is where you start off with a lager, then move on to heavy ales) etc.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]metal.head wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]metal.head wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
dehydration.
I dont understand how people get hangovers. Just take a multivitamin and drink a few bottles of water before you go to sleep [/quote]
Same…never had a hangover yet.[/quote]
it just means that you didnt drink quite enough to get one. water and vitamins might work for a 12 pack of beer or so, but once you are drinking over a bottle of booze in a night, hangovers are imminent and unavoidable.
i have never met one person who drinks a bottle a day that doesnt get hangovers (not that hangovers are their biggest problem at that point.)
i was a bartender for over 10 years, and i have never heard that from any power drinker ever (myself included).
every mammal gets hangovers if they drink enough.
just sayin. [/quote]
Cool story bro
Im pretty sure the raging alcoholics you know didnt take the time to drink enough water before they faceplanted into the couch the same way Mr Hungry didnt drink enough beer to get a hangover.
A hangover happens when the brain shrinks from dehydration and pulls on the layers of tissue (the part with pain receptors) that surround it. Drink enough water and that wont happen. [/quote]
it’s not that simple. hangovers are a lot more than just dehydration.
acetaldehyde, oxygen radicals, hydroxyethyl radicals, and adducts are nasty byproducts of intoxication that are unavoidable, in addition to increased cortisol levels system-wide.
drinking suppresses the cns and then it rebounds the next day, and when the cns is over excited, you become intolerant to light, noise, stress etc. in addition to nausea, sweating, increase in blood pressure etc
acetaldehyde and adducts affect hemoglobin, albumin, and even collagen, which are insanely important to normal physiology. lipid peroxidation happens in there too somewhere too, in the middle of the pathway, i think.
in addition to that, with the repetitive trauma from drinking, your nervous system develops neurological “wind up” which means that the pain pathways sprout more and more connections, creating more efficient pathways to transmit pain. so all these nociceptive pathways, which are now increasingly efficient transmit pain that much faster as time goes on. your nervous system remembers all this and there is an effect called “kindling” which makes all of the above even more efficient bc it is already primed to do the above.
in addition to the alcohol itself, lots of alcoholic beverages have “congeners” in them, which increase the prostaglandins which produce pain. thats why red wine hurts more than vodka.
the withdrawal effects of alcohol, which take place in the next day or so also set in. then you also have inflammatory effects of the alcohol, which mimic omega 6’s/arachadonic acid and they have the opposite effect of the omega 3s that we all take. so now you have body wide, cellular inflammation.
true that the wastoids i knew didnt take care of themselves, but even if you drink a pint of water for every shot you take and still drink a bottle of jack, you will be hungover the next day… and red wine, forget about it.
yes, drinking plenty of water will definitely, definitely help, but it’s only 1 piece of the puzzle.
there isnt a mammal on earth that doesnt have the capacity to have a hangover. doesnt exist. anyone who has never been hungover just didnt drink enough alcohol to have a hangover.
EDIT: grammar edited at 12:50 for clarity[/quote]
Good points. I didnt even think of the ‘cns rebound’
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yeah, the cns rebounds like a motherfucker and your sympathetics are firing all over the place. that’s why dudes that have office jobs have it bad for hangovers bc of the bright computer screens and flourescent bulbs (photophobia), stupid telephones ringing (sound like a jackhammer), boss in their face etc
a hangover is the worst feeling on earth, so you should be glad you never had one.
drinking is a young man’s sport (should i post that in the tiger forum?) and i haven’t partied in years… some of the old timers on here can probably attest to the same. i was actually a non-drinking bartender for most of that time… you just get too old for it.
Its probably just a mild case of gout, basically buildup of uric acid crystal in your joints. Uric acid is a breakdown product of purines, and the degradation of purines are accelerated when drinking. Some beers have a rather large content too.
Stay away from beer and avoid purine heavy foods when drunk, and you should be fine. My brother has it when he goes overboard on beer and binges on meat = violent pain in his big toes.
[quote]metal.head wrote:
drinking is a young man’s sport
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Tru dat…now that I’m old and married I can’t drink enough water to stave off the hangover…I always ended up pissing the bed when I was younger…I’d wake up wet and cold, but not hungover.
[quote]sen say wrote:
[quote]metal.head wrote:
drinking is a young man’s sport
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Tru dat…now that I’m old and married I can’t drink enough water to stave off the hangover…I always ended up pissing the bed when I was younger…I’d wake up wet and cold, but not hungover.[/quote]
yup. last hangover i had years ago was all day wine country drinking, with a party til dawn. i swear i didnt feel right for 10 days. i thought i had some sort of aneurysm explode. all of us were dying.
but that next morning, my brother’s girlfriend who was 19 says: yeah, i was hungover for almost 3 hours, but now i’m ok…
i knew my time was done.
[quote]metal.head wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
dehydration.
I dont understand how people get hangovers. Just take a multivitamin and drink a few bottles of water before you go to sleep [/quote]
Same…never had a hangover yet.[/quote]
it just means that you didnt drink quite enough to get one. water and vitamins might work for a 12 pack of beer or so, but once you are drinking over a bottle of booze in a night, hangovers are imminent and unavoidable.
i have never met one person who drinks a bottle a day that doesnt get hangovers (not that hangovers are their biggest problem at that point.)
i was a bartender for over 10 years, and i have never heard that from any power drinker ever (myself included).
every mammal gets hangovers if they drink enough.
just sayin. [/quote]
Well I don’t think we’re dealing with a raging alcoholic here…certainly hope not.
But I have blacked out/passed out/puked from drinking a few times, but felt totally fine the next day, and in most events hit PRs in the gym…just sayin’ 
[quote]metal.head wrote:
i knew my time was done.[/quote]
My time keeps drawing closer to an end because you drink and you’re like not drunk and all the old fuckers you’re with are totally boring…so…you feel like an ass for wasting money and time on booze…goddam I hate boring people.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]metal.head wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
dehydration.
I dont understand how people get hangovers. Just take a multivitamin and drink a few bottles of water before you go to sleep [/quote]
Same…never had a hangover yet.[/quote]
it just means that you didnt drink quite enough to get one. water and vitamins might work for a 12 pack of beer or so, but once you are drinking over a bottle of booze in a night, hangovers are imminent and unavoidable.
i have never met one person who drinks a bottle a day that doesnt get hangovers (not that hangovers are their biggest problem at that point.)
i was a bartender for over 10 years, and i have never heard that from any power drinker ever (myself included).
every mammal gets hangovers if they drink enough.
just sayin. [/quote]
Well I don’t think we’re dealing with a raging alcoholic here…certainly hope not.
But I have blacked out/passed out/puked from drinking a few times, but felt totally fine the next day, and in most events hit PRs in the gym…just sayin’ :)[/quote]
cool man. glad that you havent experienced it yet. with a normal amount of alcohol consumed, sounds like you can have your fun and kick ass in the gym too. keith richards cannot, and i guess me and sen say too 
[quote]metal.head wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]metal.head wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]metal.head wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
dehydration.
I dont understand how people get hangovers. Just take a multivitamin and drink a few bottles of water before you go to sleep [/quote]
Same…never had a hangover yet.[/quote]
it just means that you didnt drink quite enough to get one. water and vitamins might work for a 12 pack of beer or so, but once you are drinking over a bottle of booze in a night, hangovers are imminent and unavoidable.
i have never met one person who drinks a bottle a day that doesnt get hangovers (not that hangovers are their biggest problem at that point.)
i was a bartender for over 10 years, and i have never heard that from any power drinker ever (myself included).
every mammal gets hangovers if they drink enough.
just sayin. [/quote]
Cool story bro
Im pretty sure the raging alcoholics you know didnt take the time to drink enough water before they faceplanted into the couch the same way Mr Hungry didnt drink enough beer to get a hangover.
A hangover happens when the brain shrinks from dehydration and pulls on the layers of tissue (the part with pain receptors) that surround it. Drink enough water and that wont happen. [/quote]
it’s not that simple. hangovers are a lot more than just dehydration.
acetaldehyde, oxygen radicals, hydroxyethyl radicals, and adducts are nasty byproducts of intoxication that are unavoidable, in addition to increased cortisol levels system-wide.
drinking suppresses the cns and then it rebounds the next day, and when the cns is over excited, you become intolerant to light, noise, stress etc. in addition to nausea, sweating, increase in blood pressure etc
acetaldehyde and adducts affect hemoglobin, albumin, and even collagen, which are insanely important to normal physiology. lipid peroxidation happens in there too somewhere too, in the middle of the pathway, i think.
in addition to that, with the repetitive trauma from drinking, your nervous system develops neurological “wind up” which means that the pain pathways sprout more and more connections, creating more efficient pathways to transmit pain. so all these nociceptive pathways, which are now increasingly efficient transmit pain that much faster as time goes on. your nervous system remembers all this and there is an effect called “kindling” which makes all of the above even more efficient bc it is already primed to do the above.
in addition to the alcohol itself, lots of alcoholic beverages have “congeners” in them, which increase the prostaglandins which produce pain. thats why red wine hurts more than vodka.
the withdrawal effects of alcohol, which take place in the next day or so also set in. then you also have inflammatory effects of the alcohol, which mimic omega 6’s/arachadonic acid and they have the opposite effect of the omega 3s that we all take. so now you have body wide, cellular inflammation.
true that the wastoids i knew didnt take care of themselves, but even if you drink a pint of water for every shot you take and still drink a bottle of jack, you will be hungover the next day… and red wine, forget about it.
yes, drinking plenty of water will definitely, definitely help, but it’s only 1 piece of the puzzle.
there isnt a mammal on earth that doesnt have the capacity to have a hangover. doesnt exist. anyone who has never been hungover just didnt drink enough alcohol to have a hangover.
EDIT: grammar edited at 12:50 for clarity[/quote]
Good points. I didnt even think of the ‘cns rebound’
[/quote]
yeah, the cns rebounds like a motherfucker and your sympathetics are firing all over the place. that’s why dudes that have office jobs have it bad for hangovers bc of the bright computer screens and flourescent bulbs (photophobia), stupid telephones ringing (sound like a jackhammer), boss in their face etc
a hangover is the worst feeling on earth, so you should be glad you never had one.
drinking is a young man’s sport (should i post that in the tiger forum?) and i haven’t partied in years… some of the old timers on here can probably attest to the same. i was actually a non-drinking bartender for most of that time… you just get too old for it.
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Ooo I went to a normal college. Ive had one or two before. I learned my lesson quick though.