Joining the Armed Forces

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You contact an OSO. I’m not going to tell you any more, but that should be enough for an intelligent and motivated individual such as yourself.

It’s all on you, they won’t baby you. Whether your package takes a week or six months to put together, and whether you make a board or wait for another depends on you.

Being an Officer isn’t about making more or having a better life. You will be accountable for human lives.
If you are serious about all of that super-ninja best of the best you were talking before, I would strongly recommend pursuing one of the new contracts that provide that opportunity, rather than going Officer.

With the Marine Corps, you do not specifically choose your job as an Officer. Posted results from a recent TBS class show that a high number (95% of so) recieve one of their top three choices. OCS is a bitch, as it should be. I would not feel comfortable putting in an application for OCC right now unless I had 20 deadhangs, 100 crunches, and a sub 21 run.

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[quote]DrVonNostrand wrote:
You contact an OSO. I’m not going to tell you any more, but that should be enough for an intelligent and motivated individual such as yourself.

It’s all on you, they won’t baby you. Whether your package takes a week or six months to put together, and whether you make a board or wait for another depends on you.

Being an Officer isn’t about making more or having a better life. You will be accountable for human lives.
If you are serious about all of that super-ninja best of the best you were talking before, I would strongly recommend pursuing one of the new contracts that provide that opportunity, rather than going Officer.

With the Marine Corps, you do not specifically choose your job as an Officer. Posted results from a recent TBS class show that a high number (95% of so) recieve one of their top three choices. OCS is a bitch, as it should be. I would not feel comfortable putting in an application for OCC right now unless I had 20 deadhangs, 100 crunches, and a sub 21 run.[/quote]

Nice. My thoughts exactly. If he wants to be an officer, he needs to stop the “what should I do, who do I talk to, where do I go?” stuff and figure it out himself. Time to grow up.

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[quote]DrVonNostrand wrote:
You contact an OSO. I’m not going to tell you any more, but that should be enough for an intelligent and motivated individual such as yourself.

It’s all on you, they won’t baby you. Whether your package takes a week or six months to put together, and whether you make a board or wait for another depends on you.

Being an Officer isn’t about making more or having a better life. You will be accountable for human lives.
If you are serious about all of that super-ninja best of the best you were talking before, I would strongly recommend pursuing one of the new contracts that provide that opportunity, rather than going Officer.

With the Marine Corps, you do not specifically choose your job as an Officer. Posted results from a recent TBS class show that a high number (95% of so) recieve one of their top three choices. OCS is a bitch, as it should be. I would not feel comfortable putting in an application for OCC right now unless I had 20 deadhangs, 100 crunches, and a sub 21 run.[/quote]

Absolutely fair enough. I will look into everything else on my own from now on, starting with figuring out with OSO stands for. I just wanted to collect some experience from people with unbiased opinions who had no vested interest…None of the physical tests will be a problem…

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http://www.marineofficer.com/page/Officer.jsp?flashRedirect=true

That is a link to request information to your Officer Selection Officer (OSO) for the marines.

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[quote]dempsey606 wrote:

As for the Marines, they were definitely initially my preference - I always respected the esprit de corps, and they did always strike me as the most elite, but in talking to the recruiter today he said that you can't really choose your job in the Marines.

In other words, if they think I’d be most useful as a translator (I speak 5 languages) I might be used as a linguist and not have the option to join Recon, so the freedom to choose my job definitely made the Army more appealing.[/quote]

The concept is called “SERVICE” stop comparison shopping and trying to figure out – what’s in it for me – and go join the Marine Corps today. I’m sure you’re a good guy but get away from that self centered approach. You’ll never have what it takes to sacrifice if you condition yourself to think what’s in it for me. The strength of the Corps is the Marine. The strength of the Marine is the Corps. Now go join.

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I’d suggest watching a movie called “Loose Change” first. You might change your mind.

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[quote]Ryu13 wrote:
hardcorps wrote:
It’s the longest basic(boot camp) and the toughest. Be a Marine!!!

Marine BCT is 12-13 weeks if I remember correctly, my army BCT was 14. How many bootcamps have you attended by the way?

Marine’s are so big-headed.[/quote]

Marine Basic Training is about 13 weeks long, followed by infantry school for all Marines - then followed by MOS school. So yes the Marine Corps does have the longest entry level training pipeline. But, more importantly is what transpires during all that training. 14 weeks of Army BCT cannot be compared to what goes on at a Marine Corps Recruit Depot – not even close.

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[quote]E-man wrote:
I was luckily able to get out of my NAVY contract.
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Probably not the guy to take advice from.

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This has been a most interesting thread. I would like to provide you (Dempsey606) with an option not previously presented. Should you choose this option, it will provide you with insight about our Corps which you will not hear from a recruiter.

As mentioned by a number of members, the Marine Corps is different from the other military services. One member said it correctly when comparing various branches – you can join the Army, Navy, and the Coast Guard, but you must earn the right to wear the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor of the Marine Corps. Enough said.

The option I want to present is to open our organization (BLT 3/9, Inc.) so that you may talk with combat-experienced Marines who served on active duty anywhere between four and thirty years. We have both officer and enlisted. Our organization is composed of over one thousand Vietnam-era combat veterans (we got a few from Desert Storm) from 3rd Battalion 9th Marines (grunts) and Fox Battery 2nd Battalion 12th Marines (artillery). I would recommend you talk with a few of the officers, preferably Colonels, as should you select the Marine Corps, you would be doing yourself an injustice to not attend OCS (Officer Candidate School),considering your age and educational level.

The officers you would talk with will all have hands-on combat experience as a grunt Company Commanding Officer and/or Battalion Commanding Officer. And, if you desire to talk with artillery officers, we can provide that option too. ANGLICO and FO’s, we have a few.

Should you desire to pursue this option, please PM me and we will talk on the telephone. And, I can easily make this option a reality, as the members of the organization elected me Chairman of the Board and CEO.

And in closing, we, the Few, have had a motto for the last couple of centuries: Saepe Expertus, Semper Fidelis, Fratres Aeterni (Often Tested, Always Faithful, Brothers Forever).

Be safe.

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[quote]MarineBobby wrote:
As an Enlisted Marine who has done a lot of research into being a Marine officer, I can wholeheartedly say GO MARINE OFFICER. First off, after you complete OCS (Officer Candidate School) they give you one of your top 2 choices as to which field you go into. I know that was a concern for you. Second, there is nothing like the Esprit de Corps - nowhere. The pride Marines take in being a part of the most elite fighting force in the world is immeasurable. It’s no wonder that pretty much everyone knows our motto: Semper Fidelis.

My question is though, how did you do on your ASVAB? I was able to choose which field I went into, so I don’t see why you wouldn’t be able to. I believe your recruiter (scratch that, I KNOW) is lying to you. You have a choice. Without a good ASVAB score, though, your choices are VERY limited…[/quote]

‘Most elite fighting force in the world’ - Quite a bold statement guys. I’ve worked with USMC and their soldiering is basic, and their attitudes are gung ho. No offense to you all, I’m sure your nice people, but working with you guys is blue on blue central.

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[quote]jamej wrote:
Ryu13 wrote:
hardcorps wrote:
It’s the longest basic(boot camp) and the toughest. Be a Marine!!!

Marine BCT is 12-13 weeks if I remember correctly, my army BCT was 14. How many bootcamps have you attended by the way?

Marine’s are so big-headed.

Marine Basic Training is about 13 weeks long, followed by infantry school for all Marines - then followed by MOS school. So yes the Marine Corps does have the longest entry level training pipeline. But, more importantly is what transpires during all that training. 14 weeks of Army BCT cannot be compared to what goes on at a Marine Corps Recruit Depot – not even close. [/quote]

I thought Marine Basic Training was so long because Marine’s tend to be such slow learners.

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[quote]Brain Monster wrote:
I’d suggest watching a movie called “Loose Change” first. You might change your mind.[/quote]

Sure, you could- better yet, research it. The whole show is just a firehose of information that looks plausible at first. It all falls apart if you seriously look into it.

Military service wise- check your options, Marines, Army, Navy and Air Force (check out PJ’s or CCT if you haven’t yet) have some great elite options. What determines where you go and how “elite” you get is a sole function of your actions and dedication.

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[quote]Brain Monster wrote:
I’d suggest watching a movie called “Loose Change” first. You might change your mind.[/quote]

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
WTF are you trying to say? You make no sense. I can’t follow your thought pattern. We supported Saddam back in the 80’s? :open_mouth: Whoo-hooo! So what?
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The point I’m trying to get here is, that we create our enemies today. That when our president told us who was responsible for 9/11 was misleading to the American people. Al-quieda and Saddams Regime have no connection.

This is just my personal opinion, but Vietnam was a certain testing ground for weapons, think about all the new technology we used back then for this war. Think about the new technology we use today for this war.

Well he didnt show me the ‘big picture’ he laid it out, I shut him down at the time but I decided to look into more myself and ive found that I was being mislead along with majority of the people in the U.S, Colin Powell too :slight_smile: Yes I’m 18 and I’m very glad that I know this now.

Ok well no your not fucking stupid, just hold different views. again putting words in my mouth making me seem like the bad guy here.

NO dont resign if you do than well, the middle east will crumble.The cards have already been dealt.

ok admitted. and dont get the impression I’m trying to impress please not what I’m aiming at here.

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If you are going to do some reading, the most unbiased description of Marine Corps basic training that I’ve seen is in the book “Making The Corps”, by the Wall Street Journal Pentagon correspondent, Thomas Ricks.

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SSN,

OK, Mr. 18-year-old, tell us what this CIA guy told you. I’ve been in the military since you were 6. What am I missing? How have I been duped? The military is a noble and honorable profession. You will not find another profession with such high standards of integrity, devotion and personal conduct. We even have our own laws that are much tougher that civilian laws (for instance, you can have a criminal felony offense for being late to work). It is certainly not for everyone. What specifically made you NOT join?

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
SSN,

OK, Mr. 18-year-old, tell us what this CIA guy told you. I’ve been in the military since you were 6. What am I missing? How have I been duped? The military is a noble and honorable profession. You will not find another profession with such high standards of integrity, devotion and personal conduct. We even have our own laws that are much tougher that civilian laws (for instance, you can have a criminal felony offense for being late to work). It is certainly not for everyone. What specifically made you NOT join? [/quote]

Well yes the marines is hardcore, honorable, integrity, and they fight for freedom. I did not join because I found that what I would be fighting for was not America anymore. We are not being threatened -well now we are after the invasion of 03’ because the world hates us. dont get me wrong they love our message that America has ‘Deomcracy’ but they know what we’re up too.

The people who dont know what we’re doing is our own people, think germany in WWII, Hitlers people didnt know what they were fighting for eiether other than hatred for the jews for hording their money and americans for disabling their funds. They were in a state of depression and wanted out, Hitler was their leader and by god he was a German a true German that respresented all of them- the world has changed and wars we have fought for the past 40 years(after WWII) were strictly being set up for American Power, and domination militaristically.

Now I know I cant change your train of thought because the Military is your life. But whenever you turn on the T.V and watch fox, msnbc, abc, cnn. or tune into hannity. Think about the progaganda used for Germans in WWII, the news today shoves America’s message down your throat and nothing else. The news is owned by corporations, who tie into an equity firm - WWW.carlylegroup.COM - in which all the hawks are apart of, the administration.

PBS is a great news station, though funding has been pulled because it delivers the truth

side note- Prescott Bush Great grandfather of Senior W. was an investment banker for Brown Brothers Harraman, a secret banker for Adolf Hitler. One of his companies infact operated mines in poland using the inmates of concentration camps as forced labor.

What I’m trying to get at here is that everything is now intertwined today, people work with others today even though its evil its for profit. And I dont want to fight so we can make evil profit while I get 30g’s of it.

Go look at my past posts on this topic I posted alot of links that you can look at. I dont think many people took what I had to offer

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It’s not just the military that’s being duped, it’s the whole world! If you look at the evidence carefully, you’ll notice some serious flaws in what our governments tell us, especially yours - mr bush.

I saw some awesome ‘aren’t we caring’ propaganda on CNN the other day, you guys get fed it big time daily. It was about a US marine who had met a young Afgan (9-10 years old) kid who needed heart surgery, this marine was so ‘distraut’ about this kids plight, he had organised a trip to America for open heart surgery. aaarrggh how fucking sweet. BOLLOCKS!

I’m sorry but if you guys actually had an idea of what the US (and UK) had done to that country and its people you would be seriously shocked. The amount of kids who’ve been blown to bits, maimed and disfigured because of our ILLEGAL cluster bombs, and routine carpet bombing of villages, is fucking vast. Trust me i’ve seen it.

Do you think all these troops coming back with no legs and serious mental trauma, have come back like that because they’ve had such a fucking laugh? I’m guessing not, I’m guessing it’s due to the fact they’ve just seen their mate loose his brains, or stood on a mine, or had to clear up the remains of an occupied school that got hit by a bomb, or pick up the body parts of an oppo.

I left the UK military because it’s all a vast lie, it’s all for OIL (full fucking stop), everyone is dying because of the shit you fill your car with. Anyone that thinks different is niave and stupid. Your military may have the highest amounts of integrety, spirit blah blah blah, so what, who cares, Bush doesn’t.

All those young blokes coming back missing body parts and mates are the loosers in it all, not Bush, the companies he’s associated with are the winners in this. I actually feel sorry for the iraqis and the afgans, these guys have it tough all the fucking time. They live in the shittest conditions, in constant fear of loosing their life.

It’s the military’s job to dehumanise these people, so you kill without thought or emotion, or regret.

Anyway got to go, I hope you reconsider joining. As once your there, it really does suck giant ones.

/end rant

[quote]PGJ wrote:
SSN,

OK, Mr. 18-year-old, tell us what this CIA guy told you. I’ve been in the military since you were 6. What am I missing? How have I been duped? The military is a noble and honorable profession. You will not find another profession with such high standards of integrity, devotion and personal conduct. We even have our own laws that are much tougher that civilian laws (for instance, you can have a criminal felony offense for being late to work). It is certainly not for everyone. What specifically made you NOT join? [/quote]

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[quote]ssn0 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
SSN,

OK, Mr. 18-year-old, tell us what this CIA guy told you. I’ve been in the military since you were 6. What am I missing? How have I been duped? The military is a noble and honorable profession. You will not find another profession with such high standards of integrity, devotion and personal conduct. We even have our own laws that are much tougher that civilian laws (for instance, you can have a criminal felony offense for being late to work). It is certainly not for everyone. What specifically made you NOT join?

Well yes the marines is hardcore, honorable, integrity, and they fight for freedom. I did not join because I found that what I would be fighting for was not America anymore. We are not being threatened -well now we are after the invasion of 03’ because the world hates us. dont get me wrong they love our message that America has ‘Deomcracy’ but they know what we’re up too.

The people who dont know what we’re doing is our own people, think germany in WWII, Hitlers people didnt know what they were fighting for eiether other than hatred for the jews for hording their money and americans for disabling their funds. They were in a state of depression and wanted out, Hitler was their leader and by god he was a German a true German that respresented all of them- the world has changed and wars we have fought for the past 40 years(after WWII) were strictly being set up for American Power, and domination militaristically.

Now I know I cant change your train of thought because the Military is your life. But whenever you turn on the T.V and watch fox, msnbc, abc, cnn. or tune into hannity. Think about the progaganda used for Germans in WWII, the news today shoves America’s message down your throat and nothing else. The news is owned by corporations, who tie into an equity firm - WWW.carlylegroup.COM - in which all the hawks are apart of, the administration.

PBS is a great news station, though funding has been pulled because it delivers the truth

side note- Prescott Bush Great grandfather of Senior W. was an investment banker for Brown Brothers Harraman, a secret banker for Adolf Hitler. One of his companies infact operated mines in poland using the inmates of concentration camps as forced labor.

What I’m trying to get at here is that everything is now intertwined today, people work with others today even though its evil its for profit. And I dont want to fight so we can make evil profit while I get 30g’s of it.

Go look at my past posts on this topic I posted alot of links that you can look at. I dont think many people took what I had to offer
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Listen up, sonny. You are entitled to your opinion and are technically old enough to make your own decisions, but you are seriously misguided. Believe me, you are not as smart as you think. EVERY 18 year old thinks he has it figured out and everyone else is dumb. You don’t know crap about how the world works. Sure there’s corruption and really bad people out there. That’s human nature. But don’t ever F*@KING equate what’s going on now to what Hitler did! You need to get your lazy ass off the couch and do something to serve your country and quit being so self serving. You have no idea the priveledges that have been afforded to you just by being born American. How about giving a little back and quit being such a skeptic. You’re not old enough to be a skeptic. Have you ever even been out of the country?

By the way, the world has always hated us. I went to an American High School in London England in the mid-80’s. We rode to school in big distinctive tour busses. The freakin’ English kids used to come out and throw rocks at us as we drove by. In England, our closest allies. Get a clue. Your generation thinks everything was just hunky-dorey before we invaded Iraq. It wasn’t.

Jefferson Davis is a relative of mine, does that make me some sort of pro-slavery person? Who cares what someone’s great grandfather did? I bet if I really tried I could link you to just about anything I wanted.

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[quote]ssn0 wrote:

Hitler was their leader and by god he was a German a true German that respresented all of them…
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Dude, Hitler was Austrian.