John Kerry Still Would Have Authorized the Iraq War

This is absolutely huge news!!

Isn’t this the very issue upon which you Democrats have hung your hat? Isn’t Iraq the issue that the Democrats have used to call Bush a “liar” and a “cowboy.”

Now we hear that Kerry would have authorized the SAME INVASION!!!
Even without the WMD (we have found some already) he would have authorized it.

Didn’t 90-95% of the Democrats on the convention floor oppose the war? Don’t all of the Democrats on this forum continue to hide their head in the sand and try to pretend Saddam would have “just gone away?” Don’t the Democrats on this forum feel that Bush invaded Iraq for “sinister reasons?”

The majority of us on this forum already supported the war and knew it had to happen.

However, it appears that many Democrats (and all on this forum) wanted to run from the “Gathering threat.” Now we hear that the Democratic candidate voted to authorize the war. He would still authorize the war. Then he voted for and against the 87 billion dollar reconstruction package for Iraq and Afghanistan.

WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO THINK ABOUT THIS GUY? What are we to believe? What should our allies believe? Will an aggressive enemy feel deterred by this approach?

I beg you undecided voters and non-blinded Democratic members, to examine these issues in detail. We are talking about the security of our nation and our civilization. I cannot overstate it’s importance. These are serious issues.

JeffR

Good stuff on Kerry’s “nuanced” policy positions.

http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerryspot.asp#001358

NUANCED? OR JUST PLAN NONSENSE? [08/11 08:52 AM]

It’s easy to get mired in the daily back-and-forth of the campaign and to lose sight of the big picture: How a potential president would handle the life-and-death issues of war and peace.

Perhaps this is the right time to closely reexamine Kerry’s plans for Iraq, based on his recent statement that he would have gone to war in Iraq, even if he had known there were no WMDs and no direct ties between Iraq and 9/11 (notice the distinction between ties to 9/11 and ties to al Qaeda).

Specifically, Kerry was asked whether he would support the war “knowing what we know now” about the failure to find weapons of mass destruction that U.S. and British officials were certain were there. In response, Kerry said: “Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it was the right authority for a president to have.”

A mind of insufficient sophistication might conclude that this comment renders moot Kerry’s insistence that “We were misled about weapons of mass destruction,” as he said in March.

Or his charge that “we were misled in very specific terms about the evidence that we were showed within those briefings to the Congress of the United States” might appear, at first glance, to be rendered irrelevant if a President Kerry would have made the same choice. But this is not the case.

For example, there are many who erroneously believe that Kerry has pledged to never use the doctrine of preemption.
http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerry200407161724.asp

These Kerry critics might have gotten that wrong notion from Kerry’s statement to the Boston Globe on February 28 that, “President Bush’s policy of “unilateral preemption” had failed to win the war on terror and only fueled anti-American anger worldwide.” Or his speech before the Council on Foreign Relations last December, when he said, “We have a President who has developed and exalted a strategy of war ? unilateral; pre-emptive; and in my view, profoundly threatening to America’s place in the world and the safety and prosperity of our own society.” Or his comment on Meet the Press last December, when he said, “I did not buy into preemption…I thought that was wrong… [The doctrine of preemption] is the most arrogant, inept, reckless and ideological foreign policy in modern history.”

But to conclude from those statements that Kerry opposes preemption would be a simplistic, non-nuanced, and probably “neocon” interpretation. As Kerry made clear in mid-July, he would be willing to launch a preemptive strike against terrorists if he had adequate intelligence of a threat. “Am I prepared as president to go get them before they get us if we locate them and have the sufficient intelligence? You bet I am.”

You see, Kerry has always approached the issue of handling Saddam Hussein with a nimble-minded flexibility, an ability to adapt to changing conditions. Way back on January 22, 1991, he wrote to a constituent, Wallace Carter of Newton Centre, Mass.:

Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to the early use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your concerns. On January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would have insisted that economic sanctions be given more time to work and against a resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go to war.

But Kerry is no blind peacenik, as demonstrated by his January 31, 1991 letter, also to Wallace Carter, stating:

Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the policy goals he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf.

“Strong and unequivocal” is exactly the term that comes to mind when considering Kerry and the issue of Iraq, and the broader war on terror.

For example, he explained to Tim Russert on Meet the Press in February, “It’s basically a manhunt. You gotta know who they are, where they are, what they’re planning, and you gotta be able to go get 'em before they get us.”

But only a fool would conclude from those comments that Kerry believes the war on terror is a manhunt. As he put it in a speech at UCLA two weeks later, “This war isn’t just a manhunt ? a checklist of names from a deck of cards. In it, we do not face just one man or one terrorist group. We face a global jihadist movement of many groups, from different sources, with separate agendas, but all committed to assaulting the United States and free and open societies around the globe.”

Back on March 18, 2003, when America stood at the brink of war, Kerry was clear that President Bush’s impatience was the reason for war, not Saddam Hussein. “The Administration’s indifference to diplomacy and the manner in which it has treated friend and foe alike over the past several months have left this country with vastly reduced influence throughout the world, made impossible the assembly of a broad, multinational effort against Saddam Hussein, and dramatically increased the costs of fulfilling our legitimate security obligations at home and around the world.”

Diplomacy is an unexhausted, potential solution, Kerry made clear. And yet, his faith in it is not endless, as revealed by his February 2, 2002, comment expressing skepticism that diplomacy with Saddam Hussein would get anywhere. Kerry told Chris Matthews that Saddam “would view himself only as buying time and playing a game in my judgment.”

The future course of a Kerry administration is clear. It is also apparently secret, and those of us not in Kerry’s inner circle are not entitled to know about it.
http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerry200408020840.asp
But that is appropriate. We can take solace in the Democratic candidate’s comments that, “The key at this point is to have a stable, nonfailed state that is moving towards democracy and security sufficient for the government to stand on its own. And for its own forces to stand up for that government. I have a plan for how we can get there. I’m not going to negotiate my plan in the newspapers or publicly… I will provide for the world’s need not to have a failed state in Iraq.” Or back in May, when Kerry explained, “It will not take long to do what is necessary,” he said. “I’m not going to give you a specific date, but I’ll tell you that I have a plan, and I will put that plan in place.”

It’s easy to dismiss this as flip-flopping, but clearly studying Kerry’s positions long enough, we can discern a coherent logic. No man as smart as Kerry would just make up his policies as he goes along. No, it takes a nuanced, sophisticated mind to grasp the emanating penumbras of these statements, and understand that if in office, a President Kerry would chart a clear course of…

Oh, who am I kidding? These policy statements are a joke. This is incoherent. Add more troops to Iraq? Pull them out? Preemptively attack other rogue states? Discard the doctrine of preemption? Treat the war on terrorism as an “intelligence and law enforcement” issue, or keep military options on the table? Who the heck can tell with all this contradictory rhetorical jumble?

This. Is. Gobbledygook.

Some people mock Bush’s incoherence because he turns “nuclear” into a three-syllable word and says things like, “I’m honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein.” But nobody doubts what Bush stands for, and that makes it easy to debate his policies. You know what his plan is, and you can argue whether it’s a good idea or a bad idea. That’s more or less the way our elections are supposed to work.

Kerry’s incoherent, sort-of-for, sort-of-against, shapeless gray blobs of linguistic ooze make debating his views impossible, because there’s nothing to support or to dispute. Kerry never comes out and clearly and consistently advocates one position that the voters can either endorse or reject. As the public mood shifts, so does he. And he always leaves the wiggle room, the subordinate clause with caveats that nullifies the original statement.

It’s enough to make a guy miss Howard Dean.

He’s saying that now to try and get the undecided swing voters. He’s already said he wouldn’t have gone into Iraq without the permission of the French, who were not going to go for it no matter what. He says he would have taken the time talk to the French and our allies and kept on talking till they came on board.

What Kerry never says is what he thinks Saddam might have done while Kerry was doing all this talking about killing Saddam and his family. Anytime Kerry makes his reaching out to the international community remark we should think about what the risks in taking the time to do that would have been.

I’m not too thrilled with Bush but kerry is an even worse choice. At least Bush puts Americas security before the selfish interests of other countries. At least Bush realizes that the US is the main target of these people not France.

Kerry on the other hand thinks France’s opinion of the threat to us is just as important as ours. Which is ridiculous. Even before you consider that the French are notorious military bunglers. When you consider French military mistakes and the thousands of Americans who have had to give their lives because of them, doing what the French want us to do makes no sense at all.

Real men love Bush. Just want to get that out there before I make any other statement.


I think the key here is that he said that he would’ve ‘voted to give the president the authority’ to go into Iraq. He feels that the president should have that authority; however, he explained that he would not have “used” the authority in the same manner that Bush did.

He keeps carrying on about how he can restore internationl alliances, but I’d like to know how the hell he thinks he can do anything better. Come on Johnny, tell us HOW. Johnny will loose, simply because the general public has no clue of “HOW” he’s going to do anything, because he doen’t f’n know “HOW”. If I was a Dem, I’d be pissed off to no end that Johnny won the damn primary. He will lose, hands down.

Boy, sure seems like you republicans are posting like crazy. It’s almost as if you’re desperate to get your spin out there as if you think Rat-Boy may not be able to win an election.
You guys make this big stink about how John Kerry has not done this or that. But let me tell you, I’m not voting for Bush because of what he HAS done. And I’m voting for Kerry bacasue he’s NOT BUSH.
Bush has:
-done everything he can to evicerate the environmental regulations so that his “base” can continue doing business as usual and not have to cut into their profits by being in compliance.
-turned this country into an agressor nation hated around the world. His motives for the war are transparent and self-serving.
-an agenda to take away my right to control my own body.
-let the religious right have too much influence over the government.
-ignored the needs of his own country in his rush to show his daddy he can finish the job he started and take control over the second largest oil reserves in the world.

I don’t care what Kerry hasn’t done. At least he hasn’t dont what Bush has done. And I’m willing to give him the chance to un-do it. It’s better than what we’ve got.

gojira,

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but the fact is, you’re wrong. LOL

You and al Qaeda have similar views. “The view of al Qaeda is ‘anybody but Bush.’” Bin Laden hints major assassination - Washington Times

[quote]gojira wrote:
as if you think Rat-Boy may not be able to win an election.
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Actually, it’s more that we think Kerry might be able to win an election with the support of people who ought to know better.

There are a lot of people out there who are going to vote AGAINST Bush, not FOR Kerry. These people should realise that voting against the incumbent is only a smart thing to do when his opposition is a better candidate.

Kerry is not a better candidate. Kerry is, at best, a comparable candidate. So if you don’t like Bush, maybe you should stop and think a little about whether you like Kerry.

From what I’ve seen, it wouldn’t really matter if the democratic candidate was a monkey – people just want to vote against Bush. And that’s positively absurd. It’s even worse than the recount bullshit four years ago.

jackzepplin - “Real men love Bush”.

Well…I think that real men love women. Unless of course you are using bush as a slang term for women.

Anyways…carry on with your political ranting stuff…

duh