Joe McCarthy

[jre67t]

Oh really how can they discuss this when a woman is expressing her 1st amendment? Barney works for her, they work for us, we elected them. They are our servants my friend.
How about they get together on one bill instead of having 5 different variations in order to confuse the public. How about they say this is what we want in one bill. Your right the dumbocrats can get together without a single vote by the right and ram through anything they want, why do they not do it?
They do not need our support nor the blue dog democrats support. They can push whatever bill they so desire, but why have they not moved on? Because the people have spoken and seen through lies of the left. They are scared and congress knows they are doing wrong.

And on your last comment about insurance playing me, well my friend. I pay 100 dollars a month for full coverage for a family of five, top of the line. When my son was in the hospital for 21 days the bill was over 2 million. I think I played them, although I would not rather have seen my son in ICU. So I am the bow playing the fiddle.
Please do not take it personal, I just do not understand this entitlement syndrome. Where we deserve health insurance, please. You deserve and get what you work for life, nothing more nor less.
So please start an honest discussion on why we deserve health insurance? Why stop there what else do we deserve? Please explain Mr. Pitbull.

[Unaware]

I did not bring up Obama being a Kenyan Muslim, The Right wing media and the right wingers on this board brought it up.

Whatever, its pretty irrelevant to the broader issue. I’m not going to go into this because its pointless and trivial.

The entire ruckus about death panels was the right wing media squawking about a provision for the doctor to get paid for working out a living will for the patient. I am 51 and I have a living will. It says that when my time comes I do not want heroic measures used on me just to keep me alive. To save my life is fine but I want my loved ones to decide (if I can not) when my life is over.

I’m not really sure where the death panel rumor came from so you may be right. Are you really not concerned that a government plan will lead to rationing of care, specifically in regards to expensive end of life care/cancer drugs?

What I know about the economy is if it is not turned around in a reasonable time it will go belly up all by itâ??s self. Clinton balanced the budget, he did not do it by being (just) tight fisted with our money, and he also had a JAMMING economy.

Considering the Fed, the Treasury, and the Congress led us into this problem in the first place,looking to them to get us out is foolhardy at best. These people have been DEAD WRONG on everything they have said for the past two years. They do not know what the are doing. The fact is the Economy of the past 5 years has not been based on real economic growth but a credit bubble. Hence the solution is a credit crunch, to reign in all that loose credit. Ben Bernake can pump all the money he wants into the markets, he can give us 0% interest rates for years, he is pissing in the wind. He cannot re inflate a bubble indefinitely.

The US Economy needs to contract, and wasting our money on stimulus plans is just prolonging the inevitable, and worse jeopardizing the status of the dollar.

I will not argue with you about our National Debt. If you would research my past posts you would see I consider myself a conservative when it comes to spending money. I just do not think it should be done on the backs of the poor and working class.

I’m glad you think its an important issue. The policies we are currently pursuing will put the brunt of this on the poor. Were going to inflate millions of people into poverty. Everyone in America will pay for Congresses lack of discipline.

No one batted an eye at Bushâ??s a trillion dollar war.

Your mom didn’t teach you “two wrongs dont make a right”?

I the possibility of health care reform to pay for itself. Right now, small businesses are picking up the majority of the bill. With a public option there would be no need for American Business to do any thing, which would be a savings to them

The CBO disagrees with you, and I’m betting they have added the numbers up better than you.

We agree on Bush, I have criticism of Obama as well. I think we need to rethink Afghanistan.

No doubt.

I agree with you 1300 page bill needs to be read before it is passed, but do not lie about a bill that does not even exist now. The reason I am Anti Republican is because lying and disinformation is the Republican M.O.

Wait so if there is no final bill how can Obama tell us what its gonna do? The democrats are lying about the plan just as much, except in the other direction. Its all peaches and cream to the democrats.

[Unaware]

I personally think health care should be a right; it is your prerogative to disagree. People get free health care now. All it takes is not worrying about your credit.

How can it possibly be a right? If the U.S. Government imploded tomorrow, do you still have a right to healthcare? How can you have a right to something that requires someone else provide it for you?

If you are stranded alone on a desert island, are your rights being denied?

No they don’t. Someone else pays for it, thats not the same as free. You cannot make something that costs resources free.

I do not know the story with Nancy Pelosi, but the Barney Frank story; he just put the twit in her place. She was carrying a picture of Obama with a Hitler mustache. How can you expect an objective conversation with some one like that?

If you have a sympathetic opinion of barney frank in any situation there is no hope for you, the man is an idiot.

[tom63]

He won’t be able to figure that one out. It is not a right if someone else must provide it.

[pittbulll]

I will try to answer JRE67 , Unaware and Push harderâ??s questions at once. I believe everybody has the right to live; we have charities in place that will not let some one starve, here in AZ. And other locations you can live out side, no charge. Hospitals can not turn people away (though I have heard some do). So if you want to live a life and not support your self, it is not hard to do. Thousands are doing it today.

I believe it would be good for our economy to have a Medicare that is available to everybody. Right now Private industry is footing the bill for the majority of the insured. It would free up American Industry to compete with European Industries that do not have to pay for health care for its employees
Customer

I believe that the only people that can not take care of their insurance the working poor. They care about their credit so they do not go to the emergency room to get treatment, like the illegal aliens.

JRE67, some one must subsidize your insurance. My insurance is more just for me. 51 years old in excellent health.

Tom, I do not understand your statement.

Unaware, Franks may be an Idiot, but that lady was a twit, it does not make sense to try and be rational with an irrational person. (She put a Hitler mustache on Obama) I agree with Franks she was a twit.

I agree we need one bill to debate, but we need 2 rational sides to debate it.

Some one mentioned end of life, there comes a time when every body knows some people will not make it; there should be dignity in death. It makes no sense to me or our present insurance companies to spend millions of dollars to prolong some oneâ??s life for 24 hours.

[HG_Thrower]

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Some one mentioned end of life, there comes a time when every body knows some people will not make it; there should be dignity in death. It makes no sense to me or our present insurance companies to spend millions of dollars to prolong some one�?�¢??s life for 24 hours.
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And you would like a group of unelected, unaccountable government bureaucrats making the decision as to how to deal with people in this situation? Not their family or doctors? Don’t you see the EXTREME fallacy in delegating this power to the government?

[Unaware]

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I believe everybody has the right to live;

Some one mentioned end of life, there comes a time when every body knows some people will not make it; there should be dignity in death. It makes no sense to me or our present insurance companies to spend millions of dollars to prolong some oneâ??s life for 24 hours.
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Wait everyone has a right to live but then we shouldn’t spend money to keep people alive. Isn’t not pay for it denying someone their rights?

I believe it would be good for our economy to have a Medicare that is available to everybody. Right now Private industry is footing the bill for the majority of the insured. It would free up American Industry to compete with European Industries that do not have to pay for health care for its employees
Customer

If industry has to pay more tax to pay for medicare for everyone, how does that help? European industries in general are not competitive, look at their economies.

How are you going to pay for medicare for everyone? Medicare will be broke by 2017, with the deficits increasing every year. Paying for medicare for eveyone will require a massive increase in taxes on everyone, and spending cuts in other areas. Theres not enough “rich” people to pay for it.

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[pittbulll]

[quote]pushharder wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
I will try to answer JRE67 , Unaware and Push harder�¢??s questions at once. I believe everybody has the right to live; we have charities in place that will not let some one starve, here in AZ. And other locations you can live out side, no charge. Hospitals can not turn people away (though I have heard some do). So if you want to live a life and not support your self, it is not hard to do. Thousands are doing it today.

I believe it would be good for our economy to have a Medicare that is available to everybody. Right now Private industry is footing the bill for the majority of the insured. It would free up American Industry to compete with European Industries that do not have to pay for health care for its employees
Customer

I believe that the only people that can not take care of their insurance the working poor. They care about their credit so they do not go to the emergency room to get treatment, like the illegal aliens.

JRE67, some one must subsidize your insurance. My insurance is more just for me. 51 years old in excellent health.

Tom, I do not understand your statement.

Unaware, Franks may be an Idiot, but that lady was a twit, it does not make sense to try and be rational with an irrational person. (She put a Hitler mustache on Obama) I agree with Franks she was a twit.

I agree we need one bill to debate, but we need 2 rational sides to debate it.

Some one mentioned end of life, there comes a time when every body knows some people will not make it; there should be dignity in death. It makes no sense to me or our present insurance companies to spend millions of dollars to prolong some one�¢??s life for 24 hours.

C’mon, Pitt, you didn’t even come close to answering my question.[/quote]

Why do you think health care is a right and not food, shelter and clothing?

I feel if we had no charity to take care of the poor, then we would have to feed the poor as well. If the weather did not permit some one to survive out doors we would have to shelter them as well. We have charities already in place that take care of food and shelter. Health care is taken care of when it becomes critical and expensive. Rather than taking care of a cold we take care of pneumonia .

Does that answer your question?

[pittbulll]

[quote]pushharder wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
pushharder wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
I will try to answer JRE67 , Unaware and Push harder�??�??�?�¢??s questions at once. I believe everybody has the right to live; we have charities in place that will not let some one starve, here in AZ. And other locations you can live out side, no charge. Hospitals can not turn people away (though I have heard some do). So if you want to live a life and not support your self, it is not hard to do. Thousands are doing it today.

I believe it would be good for our economy to have a Medicare that is available to everybody. Right now Private industry is footing the bill for the majority of the insured. It would free up American Industry to compete with European Industries that do not have to pay for health care for its employees
Customer

I believe that the only people that can not take care of their insurance the working poor. They care about their credit so they do not go to the emergency room to get treatment, like the illegal aliens.

JRE67, some one must subsidize your insurance. My insurance is more just for me. 51 years old in excellent health.

Tom, I do not understand your statement.

Unaware, Franks may be an Idiot, but that lady was a twit, it does not make sense to try and be rational with an irrational person. (She put a Hitler mustache on Obama) I agree with Franks she was a twit.

I agree we need one bill to debate, but we need 2 rational sides to debate it.

Some one mentioned end of life, there comes a time when every body knows some people will not make it; there should be dignity in death. It makes no sense to me or our present insurance companies to spend millions of dollars to prolong some one�??�??�?�¢??s life for 24 hours.

C’mon, Pitt, you didn’t even come close to answering my question.

Why do you think health care is a right and not food, shelter and clothing?

I feel if we had no charity to take care of the poor, then we would have to feed the poor as well. If the weather did not permit some one to survive out doors we would have to shelter them as well. We have charities already in place that take care of food and shelter. Health care is taken care of when it becomes critical and expensive. Rather than taking care of a cold we take care of pneumonia .

Does that answer your question?

Ahh…maybe it does. So I can extrapolate from your answer that the key to providing health care and insurance is to turn it over to “charity” and not the federal government? And then only for the poor?

Fine. Now we know where you stand on ObamaCare. Somehow I had inferred from your other posts that Rocky’s Rip-Snortin’ Rootin’ Tootin’ Health Care Overhaul Bonanza was the THE way to go.

Thanks for the clarification. I am surprised you take this conservative approach to the “problem”.

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You need to re read my post , I have no plans of turning it over to charity. If charity took care of the problem then we would have none