Are Republicans Crazy?

Are Republicans Crazy? It seems Paul Krugman thinks so. What do you think?

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Tea Parties Forever

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: April 12, 2009

This is a column about Republicans ? and I?m not sure I should even be writing it.

Today?s G.O.P. is, after all, very much a minority party. It retains some limited ability to obstruct the Democrats, but has no ability to make or even significantly shape policy.

Beyond that, Republicans have become embarrassing to watch. And it doesn?t feel right to make fun of crazy people. Better, perhaps, to focus on the real policy debates, which are all among Democrats.

But here?s the thing: the G.O.P. looked as crazy 10 or 15 years ago as it does now. That didn?t stop Republicans from taking control of both Congress and the White House. And they could return to power if the Democrats stumble. So it behooves us to look closely at the state of what is, after all, one of our nation?s two great political parties.

One way to get a good sense of the current state of the G.O.P., and also to see how little has really changed, is to look at the ?tea parties? that have been held in a number of places already, and will be held across the country on Wednesday. These parties ? antitaxation demonstrations that are supposed to evoke the memory of the Boston Tea Party and the American Revolution ? have been the subject of considerable mockery, and rightly so.

But everything that critics mock about these parties has long been standard practice within the Republican Party.

Thus, President Obama is being called a ?socialist? who seeks to destroy capitalism. Why? Because he wants to raise the tax rate on the highest-income Americans back to, um, about 10 percentage points less than it was for most of the Reagan administration. Bizarre.

But the charge of socialism is being thrown around only because ?liberal? doesn?t seem to carry the punch it used to. And if you go back just a few years, you find top Republican figures making equally bizarre claims about what liberals were up to. Remember when Karl Rove declared that liberals wanted to offer ?therapy and understanding? to the 9/11 terrorists?

Then there are the claims made at some recent tea-party events that Mr. Obama wasn?t born in America, which follow on earlier claims that he is a secret Muslim. Crazy stuff ? but nowhere near as crazy as the claims, during the last Democratic administration, that the Clintons were murderers, claims that were supported by a campaign of innuendo on the part of big-league conservative media outlets and figures, especially Rush Limbaugh.

Speaking of Mr. Limbaugh: the most impressive thing about his role right now is the fealty he is able to demand from the rest of the right. The abject apologies he has extracted from Republican politicians who briefly dared to criticize him have been right out of Stalinist show trials. But while it?s new to have a talk-radio host in that role, ferocious party discipline has been the norm since the 1990s, when Tom DeLay, the House majority leader, became known as ?The Hammer? in part because of the way he took political retribution on opponents.

Going back to those tea parties, Mr. DeLay, a fierce opponent of the theory of evolution ? he famously suggested that the teaching of evolution led to the Columbine school massacre ? also foreshadowed the denunciations of evolution that have emerged at some of the parties.

Last but not least: it turns out that the tea parties don?t represent a spontaneous outpouring of public sentiment. They?re AstroTurf (fake grass roots) events, manufactured by the usual suspects. In particular, a key role is being played by FreedomWorks, an organization run by Richard Armey, the former House majority leader, and supported by the usual group of right-wing billionaires. And the parties are, of course, being promoted heavily by Fox News.

But that?s nothing new, and AstroTurf has worked well for Republicans in the past. The most notable example was the ?spontaneous? riot back in 2000 ? actually orchestrated by G.O.P. strategists ? that shut down the presidential vote recount in Florida?s Miami-Dade County.

So what?s the implication of the fact that Republicans are refusing to grow up, the fact that they are still behaving the same way they did when history seemed to be on their side? I?d say that it?s good for Democrats, at least in the short run ? but it?s bad for the country.

For now, the Obama administration gains a substantial advantage from the fact that it has no credible opposition, especially on economic policy, where the Republicans seem particularly clueless.

But as I said, the G.O.P. remains one of America?s great parties, and events could still put that party back in power. We can only hope that Republicans have moved on by the time that happens.

Very few factual points. Mostly unsubstantiated name-calling.

I would like to adress one of the few “facts” of the article:

"But that?s nothing new, and AstroTurf has worked well for Republicans in the past. The most notable example was the ?spontaneous? riot back in 2000 ? actually orchestrated by G.O.P. strategists ? that shut down the presidential vote recount in Florida?s Miami-Dade County.?

It is true but very misleading. The GOP in the 2000 election opposed a selective by county recount. So yes they opposed recounting solely Miami-Dade county. It was, however, pushing for a state-wide recount, which as you can guess was opposed by the Dems.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Very few factual points. Mostly unsubstantiated name-calling.

I would like to adress one of the few “facts” of the article:

"But that?s nothing new, and AstroTurf has worked well for Republicans in the past. The most notable example was the ?spontaneous? riot back in 2000 ? actually orchestrated by G.O.P. strategists ? that shut down the presidential vote recount in Florida?s Miami-Dade County.?

It is true but very misleading. The GOP in the 2000 election opposed a selective by county recount. So yes they opposed recounting solely Miami-Dade county. It was, however, pushing for a state-wide recount, which as you can guess was opposed by the Dems.

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Agreed that it’s lacking facual information. Huge generalization and far fetched comparison of crazy to the “secret Muslim” ideal.

Is it crazy for one to think Obama is Muslim based on:

  1. He was raised in a Muslim environment mostly outside the US and has a Muslim family background.
  2. Said he prides himself on his “Muslim Faith”
    Obama: "My Muslim Faith" - YouTube
  3. There are pictures of him wearing a turbin.
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xnqPx6S9S-g/R8TVOBU4b-I/AAAAAAAAAIo/ibTCqs3bBnc/s400/Obama-turbantearekin-2008022617031904xm1.jpg
  4. He bows to the Saudi King

Am I crazy to believe he is Muslim???

Frankly, I think you are crazy to believe otherwise.

Let’s not forget the church he attended and Reverend he was close to for TWENTY YEARS.

Am I crazy to think that was a “Phase”?

What’s crazy is that Krugman thinks Democrats are different than Republicans.

Krugman is also a economic moron…and so are the socialists that awarded him a Noble prize.

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Let’s not forget the church he attended and Reverend he was close to for TWENTY YEARS.

Am I crazy to think that was a “Phase”?[/quote]

Church? Not mosque?

Yes, I can see why you would have to be crazy to believe he’s not a Muslim…

[quote]tom8658 wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Let’s not forget the church he attended and Reverend he was close to for TWENTY YEARS.

Am I crazy to think that was a “Phase”?

Church? Not mosque?

Yes, I can see why you would have to be crazy to believe he’s not a Muslim…[/quote]

I guess the Rev Wright’s “Group” would have been a better term, rather than Church.

[quote]tom8658 wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Let’s not forget the church he attended and Reverend he was close to for TWENTY YEARS.

Am I crazy to think that was a “Phase”?

Church? Not mosque?

Yes, I can see why you would have to be crazy to believe he’s not a Muslim…[/quote]

Well, he was registered as a Muslim in Indonesia. I also don’t consider his church here to be christian. In other words I believe the man’s only religion is one of self worship, just like all politician.

Republicans need to suck it up. They need to stop whining about they had their asses handed to them by a Muslim in the last elections and start figuring out how get the party back to a libertarian/fiscal conservative center of power. They can win from that point and the nation will be a hell of a lot better off.

Republicans need to suck it up. They need to stop whining about they had their asses handed to them by a Muslim in the last elections and start figuring out how get the party back to a libertarian/fiscal conservative center of power. They can win from that point and the nation will be a hell of a lot better off.

I happen to enjoy watching Glenn Beck go crazy on Fox News.

Nothing like watching people promote events that they would call treasonous were the other party doing it.

This guy doesn’t sound like he has an axe to grind does he? It’s funny how the media wants to mock the tea parties out of existence. They will be more successful than they want, that is for sure.

[quote]BigJawnMize wrote:
Republicans need to suck it up. They need to stop whining about they had their asses handed to them by a Muslim in the last elections and start figuring out how get the party back to a libertarian/fiscal conservative center of power. They can win from that point and the nation will be a hell of a lot better off.

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So you agree he’s a Muslim. I also agree we need to get the party back to basics, but we also need to become VISIBLE, like never before. We cannot be quiet and on the sidelines with guys like Rush, Rove and McCain as the bashing pinatas or even our spokespeople or party leaders.

Rush is not the Republican leader as the left would like everyone believe.

From what I can tell, the tea parties are definitely outside of, and greater than, the GoP. There may be a good many GoPers supporting it (since it nicely coincides against Obama’s agenda). However, just from my reading, and catching footage on the news, it isn’t about the GoP at all. In fact, I’ve seen both parties catching hell from attendees. Many of the folks seem to be Libertarian and disgruntled Conservatives (the Ron Paul/Const. Party variety). Hardly GoP operatives or cheerleaders.

Seems to me the movement isn’t about the GoP. It’s about an underlying philosophy of governance. These are small government folks, angry they’ve been cheated out of the inheritance our founders left us.

The nanny state, the debt/deficit, talks of nationalization, patriot act, tax burdens, the cost of our foreign policy, etc… They have real grievances against the central government. This of course doesn’t sit well with socialists and welfare state lickspittles, so they attempt to reduce these gatherings of freedom minded citizens to nothing more than a GoP rally.

Republicans are crazy as loons:)

Does anybody remember when the Republicans said Clinton killed Vince Foster because he was boinking Hillary?

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What’s crazy is that Krugman thinks Democrats are different than Republicans.

Krugman is also a economic moron…and so are the socialists that awarded him a Noble prize.[/quote]

He has admitted hero worship of Keynes. That’s all one has to know.

pitbull wrote: Does anybody remember when the Republicans said Clinton killed Vince Foster because he was boinking Hillary?

I remember some people of indeterminate party affiliation saying Bill may have had
Vince killed because Hillary had Vince gathering information she could use against Bill. There were several other theories
at the time. I actually thought Hillary was a lesbian so I would never have considered the possibility you mentioned.

You must admit there were a lot of strange
things going on in the aftermath of that death. Like the JFK assassination, i doubt we’ll ever know what really happened.

On a thread titled, “Are Republicans Crazy?” on PWI a discussion forms as to whether or not the president is a Muslim…

…quality.

Ha Ha, I think Republics are crazy. To pin their hopes on a Bobby Jindal/Sarah Palin 2010 ticket.

Or Michael Steele/ Rush Limbaugh 2010. actually maybe I would like to see that…