Jihad Planned For TX,CA,CO

ZEB · March 7, 2011, 5:28pm

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Why do we even give student Visas to anyone from Saudi Arabia? [/quote]

Because we have to be politically correct and welcome all sorts of diverse people to our country.

ZEB · March 7, 2011, 5:45pm

[quote]Bambi wrote:

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
I agree with Maximus and Matty on this.
I think its laughable that 3/4 of the 911 terrorists were Saudi yet Iran and Iraq took the brunt in VISA filtration process, wtf lol. Our gov’t is a controlled POS.
[/quote]

We’ve been taking it in the ass from the Saudis for a long time. They snub their noses at all things American–behind closed doors.

If you’re educated and have skills, you should be given if not be eligible for visa to contribute to the domestic economy. Bring over all the Iranian doctors and scientists and engineers so the mullahs won’t have enough talent to work on military stuff. Brain drain.

It’s not like those countries are the best places to live, either, given the fragile economy and high unemployment. The best talent want to all leave and go broad. I say we let them.[/quote]

You cannot interfere in a whole region’s economic, military and political structure for nigh on 100 years and not expect repurcussions

I know many Iranians, some of whom live in Europe, some in Iran. They - hate - Britain for its role in overthrowing Mossadeq, nearly 50 years ago. Egyptians remember Suez; Palestinians remember the Balfour declaration. And though Britain’s interefence pro causa oil is utterly shameful it dwindles beneath the interference of the Americans. Chickens coming home to roost.

NB: Saying nothing about America, or Americans, merely American foreign policy. [/quote]

You sniveling little punk, another 19 year old wonder boy. It wasn’t your country that was attacked. How dare you make excuses for those cowards.

Bambi · March 7, 2011, 6:00pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Bambi wrote:

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
I agree with Maximus and Matty on this.
I think its laughable that 3/4 of the 911 terrorists were Saudi yet Iran and Iraq took the brunt in VISA filtration process, wtf lol. Our gov’t is a controlled POS.
[/quote]

We’ve been taking it in the ass from the Saudis for a long time. They snub their noses at all things American–behind closed doors.

If you’re educated and have skills, you should be given if not be eligible for visa to contribute to the domestic economy. Bring over all the Iranian doctors and scientists and engineers so the mullahs won’t have enough talent to work on military stuff. Brain drain.

It’s not like those countries are the best places to live, either, given the fragile economy and high unemployment. The best talent want to all leave and go broad. I say we let them.[/quote]

You cannot interfere in a whole region’s economic, military and political structure for nigh on 100 years and not expect repurcussions

I know many Iranians, some of whom live in Europe, some in Iran. They - hate - Britain for its role in overthrowing Mossadeq, nearly 50 years ago. Egyptians remember Suez; Palestinians remember the Balfour declaration. And though Britain’s interefence pro causa oil is utterly shameful it dwindles beneath the interference of the Americans. Chickens coming home to roost.

NB: Saying nothing about America, or Americans, merely American foreign policy. [/quote]

You sniveling little punk, another 19 year old wonder boy. It wasn’t your country that was attacked. How dare you make excuses for those cowards.
[/quote]

Hi ZEB!

Made no excuses. I’m not quite sure where you gleaned that one!

My country however has been attacked by IRA terrorists funded in part by American money (not governmental before someone makes an issue of it) by terrorists lauded by Clinton. This is how the USA treats one of its staunchest allies.

I’m merely pointing out the American foreign policy tactic (and indeed much of Western Europe) habit of interfering with another countries’ problems to get hands on their commodities (viz: Afghanistan Talibans wined and dined by Texans, Egypt, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Chile, Indonesia, Vietnam) will inevitably come to bite you on the backside

It did for the Roman Empire. It did for the British Empire. It will for the American Empire.

Now call me young and juvenile or whatever facile thing you want. You can do that all day long and ignore the realities of your empire. I’m not saying the Russians/Chinese/martians will be better. I’m pointing out empires do horrible things and always have. The US is no different. That will provoke reactions whether it’s the Mau-Mau, barbarians at the gate or whatever.

But hey I don’t know why I bother responding to you you’ll just insult me anyway

ZEB · March 7, 2011, 6:20pm

[quote]Bambi wrote:

Hi ZEB!

Made no excuses. I’m not quite sure where you gleaned that one![/quote]

How about your first line junior?

So go grind your axe somewhere else. This has nothing to do with the cowards who attacked the US on 9/11.

[quote]
Now call me young and juvenile or whatever facile thing you want. You can do that all day long and ignore the realities of your empire.[/quote]

It’s not a matter of name calling. It’s a matter of fact. You are 19 years old, barely out of high school and you think you actually understand the world’s problems. How much attention would you pay to someone who was 10 or 11 years old? That’s about the degree of credibility you have around here. Is age important? You are not even old enough to tip back a bear in the US. And you have to be 35 to run for President. There is indeed a great deal of stock placed in maturity BEFORE such problems can be understood. How many major corporations are looking for a 19 year old to run their company? Uh Huh…

What are you a freshman in college and your poli sci prof told you this blather in class last week?

I wonder would you feel this way if it were 1945 and the world was just saved with the help of the USA? The US saved the world a number of times, have you even read a history book? And if not for the US you might be speaking a different language right now. You would certainly be singing a different song.

I am giving you facts they just feel like insults because the truth can hurt junior.

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Zeb

PonceDeLeon · March 7, 2011, 6:30pm

[quote]Bambi wrote:

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
I agree with Maximus and Matty on this.
I think its laughable that 3/4 of the 911 terrorists were Saudi yet Iran and Iraq took the brunt in VISA filtration process, wtf lol. Our gov’t is a controlled POS.
[/quote]

We’ve been taking it in the ass from the Saudis for a long time. They snub their noses at all things American–behind closed doors.

If you’re educated and have skills, you should be given if not be eligible for visa to contribute to the domestic economy. Bring over all the Iranian doctors and scientists and engineers so the mullahs won’t have enough talent to work on military stuff. Brain drain.

It’s not like those countries are the best places to live, either, given the fragile economy and high unemployment. The best talent want to all leave and go broad. I say we let them.[/quote]

You cannot interfere in a whole region’s economic, military and political structure for nigh on 100 years and not expect repurcussions

I know many Iranians, some of whom live in Europe, some in Iran. They - hate - Britain for its role in overthrowing Mossadeq, nearly 50 years ago. Egyptians remember Suez; Palestinians remember the Balfour declaration. And though Britain’s interefence pro causa oil is utterly shameful it dwindles beneath the interference of the Americans. Chickens coming home to roost.

NB: Saying nothing about America, or Americans, merely American foreign policy.
[/quote]

You’re missing my point.

It would be counter-intuitive (in a GOOD way) to grant so many visas to students and scientists/engineers. That would be the opposite of aggressive foreign policy (like finger pointing by denying visas), so you’re “in the clear” so to speak and not accused of anything, all the way the other country loses its intellectuals and suffers for it. It’s a great non-aggressive plan.

You say they hate Britain for actions 50 years ago, I say if we let that be the last memory of Britain/the West, they will always hold onto that. Move forward, let new shit (positive shit) happen. Replace old memories with new opportunities.

I know that sounds like some liberal shit but I’m serious. Believe me, MANY of those people would leave their country for “a better life” if given a chance. No question.

MaximusB · March 7, 2011, 6:37pm

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:

[quote]Bambi wrote:

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
I agree with Maximus and Matty on this.
I think its laughable that 3/4 of the 911 terrorists were Saudi yet Iran and Iraq took the brunt in VISA filtration process, wtf lol. Our gov’t is a controlled POS.
[/quote]

We’ve been taking it in the ass from the Saudis for a long time. They snub their noses at all things American–behind closed doors.

If you’re educated and have skills, you should be given if not be eligible for visa to contribute to the domestic economy. Bring over all the Iranian doctors and scientists and engineers so the mullahs won’t have enough talent to work on military stuff. Brain drain.

It’s not like those countries are the best places to live, either, given the fragile economy and high unemployment. The best talent want to all leave and go broad. I say we let them.[/quote]

You cannot interfere in a whole region’s economic, military and political structure for nigh on 100 years and not expect repurcussions

I know many Iranians, some of whom live in Europe, some in Iran. They - hate - Britain for its role in overthrowing Mossadeq, nearly 50 years ago. Egyptians remember Suez; Palestinians remember the Balfour declaration. And though Britain’s interefence pro causa oil is utterly shameful it dwindles beneath the interference of the Americans. Chickens coming home to roost.

NB: Saying nothing about America, or Americans, merely American foreign policy.
[/quote]

You’re missing my point.

It would be counter-intuitive (in a GOOD way) to grant so many visas to students and scientists/engineers. That would be the opposite of aggressive foreign policy (like finger pointing by denying visas), so you’re “in the clear” so to speak and not accused of anything, all the way the other country loses its intellectuals and suffers for it. It’s a great non-aggressive plan.

You say they hate Britain for actions 50 years ago, I say if we let that be the last memory of Britain/the West, they will always hold onto that. Move forward, let new shit (positive shit) happen. Replace old memories with new opportunities.

I know that sounds like some liberal shit but I’m serious. Believe me, MANY of those people would leave their country for “a better life” if given a chance. No question.[/quote]

I like your idea, but the problem is that they bring their old way with them. The same shit that they came here fleeing from, they bring here too.

When you let just anyone into the country club (the USA), the country club goes to total shit.

PonceDeLeon · March 7, 2011, 7:00pm

You’re right in that many people might bring their old ways/ideas/hate with them, HOWEVER, I would argue that can be mitigated (negated over time?) or amplified depending on the community of their own that already exists in this country.

Are their “people” who live here contributing greatly to American progress? Are they outstanding members of their subcultural communities (academia, arts, sciences, business) ? If so, the likelihood of the immigrant holding onto biases forever is minimal, if not non-existant. They will adopt the biases and attitudes of the community (assuming they will at some point in their stay here live among others like themselves) they settle in.

The corollary: the communities of similar nationality that exist here is a good indication of the immigrants’ attitudes toward America down the line; i.e., will they “like” America?

I say this based on my own father’s experiences. He came here at 17 and busted his ASS at Iowa State, had his throat almost slit in some bar during the hostage crisis when tensions were high, and still loves America more than his home (for many reasons). He may argue the opposite when he gets nostalgic but I know it from how comfortable he is here (been here over 35 years now).

I don’t disagree with you entirely; what you say is plausible.

Bambi · March 7, 2011, 9:58pm

I don’t take pol sci Zeb. I listen to a range of balanced sources something you seem unable to. And my point is that the USA is like every country in history. And, in its attempt to consolidate its empire, it is suffering blowback. 9/11 didn’t happen in a vacuum and American policy certainly had an effect in causing it.

akram_mohamed · March 7, 2011, 10:14pm

This would be a good time to remember that characteristics and actions of the few are not at all representative of the many.

Rogue politicians, celebrities, media, factions, spokespeople, etc represent a minority of the ethnicity/religion of which they are mostly populated, but they are usually the loudest. Because they are the loudest, they are mistaken for the majority and their opinions and actions become representative of the true majority.

For example, many people outside of the States judge Americans by the bootlegged hollywood movies. They watch American Pie and think " All Americans are immature, stupid, sex-obsessed etc"

As someone had earlier pointed out, may people outside of the States label Americans as arrogant, imperialist meddlers due to to the arrogant, imperialist, meddling actions of a few unscrupulous politicians or businessmen.

It works both ways. Many Americans think all Arabs hate America based on the statements of a very few, but very loud, extremist factions.

Most of us (us humans) are actually pretty good people. We work hard. We contribute to the world. We have philosophies. We could all use a beating every now and then.

ZEB · March 8, 2011, 2:46am

[quote]Bambi wrote:
I don’t take pol sci Zeb.[/quote]

Then maybe you should. You need to expand your thinking beyond that tiny little closet where your reasoning comes from. And once again don’t take it personally, at 19 I said a lot of stupid stuff.

Why? Because I disagree with your 19 year old brain? Yes, one of us is wrong and it’s you. You don’t have the depth or intelligence to figure out what’s really happening. What you do have is a deep seated hatred for the US and it shows through every time you post in a thread about the US and our relationship to the rest of the world.

As to my news sources and experience (since you questioned them), I subscribe to 4 online political newsletters two conservative and two fairly liberal. In fact one of them was just purchased for over 300 million dollars, the Huffington Post. I’ve also been reading the Wall Street Journal and Forbes magazine for the past 25 years. That would be 6 years before YOU were born. In addition to those sources I read several business magazines per month. Unlike you, I understand how the process works. I’ve helped candidates get elected, I’ve studied research papers and written political speeches on topics ranging from domestic issues to foreign policy. I’m not bragging, anyone who has been around as long as I have should put their time and money where their beliefs lie and I have. I’m just responding to your half witted remarks about my lack of “balanced sources.”

Now tell me what have you done since you’ve been out of high school. What is that something like 8-9 months?

[quote]And my point is that the USA is like every country in history. And, in its attempt to consolidate its empire, it is suffering blowback. 9/11 didn’t happen in a vacuum and American policy certainly had an effect in causing it.
[/quote]

First of all the USA is NOT an empire. And I know you think you’re pretty clever using that term but it is not applicable and in fact completely unacceptable. An empire is usually controlled by a monarch or an oligarchy. The USA is a republic. Even by its widest definition we are NOT an empire as we are not a strong, centrally controlled nation that controls vast amounts of geographical boundaries that are culturally and ethnically distinct from the our own.

And when you say things like this it makes it very difficult to take you seriously. Now post back with something that actually makes sense. Or, better yet just let it go I don’t really have the time to school you.

MattyG35 · March 8, 2011, 5:13am

[quote]ZEB wrote:
First of all the USA is NOT an empire.[/quote]
Are you sure about that ZEB?
I know it’s wiki but…

[quote]Bases located in(27 different countries, I’m sure there’s more elsewhere):
Bulgaria, Germany, Iraq, Israel, Italy, Japan, Kuwait, Kosovo/Serbia, South Korea, Afghanistan, Bahrain, Brazil, Cuba, Spain, Greece, Australia, Greenland, Guam, Qatar, Saudia Arabia, Singapore, Kyrgzystan, Netherlands, Phillipines, Portugal, Turkey, United Kingdomsource:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases[/quote]

[quote]ZEB wrote:
An empire is usually controlled by a monarch or an oligarchy.[/quote]
Politicians, and lobbyists/corporations/special interest groups.
Don’t be naive ZEB. This look-the-other-way-and-stay-proud attitude is one of the reasons the US gov’t is out-of-control. I believe it’s called being brainwashed.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
The USA is a republic.[/quote]
Correction, it was a republic. You don’t actually believe that that is how it is currently being operated do you ZEB? As soon as different citizens get different treatment under the law, your republic is gone.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Even by its widest definition we are NOT an empire as we are not a strong, centrally controlled nation that controls vast amounts of geographical boundaries that are culturally and ethnically distinct from the our own. [/quote]
Are you being serious? USA isn’t strong(see above)? isn’t centrally controlled(see above)? doesn’t control vast amounts of geography(see above)?

ZEB, I know(or maybe I don’t) what you wrote is what you’d like to think your country is, but I don’t believe that to be the case.

jasmincar · March 8, 2011, 8:37pm

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ZEB · March 8, 2011, 3:58pm

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
First of all the USA is NOT an empire.[/quote]
Are you sure about that ZEB?
I know it’s wiki but…

[quote]Bases located in(27 different countries, I’m sure there’s more elsewhere):
Bulgaria, Germany, Iraq, Israel, Italy, Japan, Kuwait, Kosovo/Serbia, South Korea, Afghanistan, Bahrain, Brazil, Cuba, Spain, Greece, Australia, Greenland, Guam, Qatar, Saudia Arabia, Singapore, Kyrgzystan, Netherlands, Phillipines, Portugal, Turkey, United Kingdomsource:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases[/quote]

[quote]ZEB wrote:
An empire is usually controlled by a monarch or an oligarchy.[/quote]
Politicians, and lobbyists/corporations/special interest groups.
Don’t be naive ZEB. This look-the-other-way-and-stay-proud attitude is one of the reasons the US gov’t is out-of-control. I believe it’s called being brainwashed.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
The USA is a republic.[/quote]
Correction, it was a republic. You don’t actually believe that that is how it is currently being operated do you ZEB? As soon as different citizens get different treatment under the law, your republic is gone.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Even by its widest definition we are NOT an empire as we are not a strong, centrally controlled nation that controls vast amounts of geographical boundaries that are culturally and ethnically distinct from the our own. [/quote]
Are you being serious? USA isn’t strong(see above)? isn’t centrally controlled(see above)? doesn’t control vast amounts of geography(see above)?

ZEB, I know(or maybe I don’t) what you wrote is what you’d like to think your country is, but I don’t believe that to be the case.[/quote]

That’s okay Matty when you learn more American history you will eventually agree with me. As for the definition of empire it matters not where you look the US is obviously NOT an empire, not by an sane man’s definition.

And by the way be careful of the company you keep around here as you may eventually get painted with the same brush stroke.

Take care my friend.

Zeb

Bambi · March 9, 2011, 12:19pm

ZEB,

Wait so previously I was being indoctrinated by my pol sci teacher, now I need to go learn from one?

LOL

Tell you what, I’ll go do a politics course if you go do one on basic logic.

And if we’re doing a dick-measuring/pissing contest, I’ve been involved in the grassroots of a party here in the UK. I’ve attended party conferences (for a party I am no longer a member of), helped organise that party’s political events and drives, used to run a politics section in my school and uni newspaper, and have worked as an intern for my local MP (member of parliament) and MEP (member of european parliament). This summer I’m working for my MSP (member of scottish parliament - we have 3 different politicians here for 3 different parliaments and it’s retarded) I read the UK broadsheets (Times telegraph guardian independent, ft) online daily and also CNN, The New York Times, and - gasp - Fox.

So i’ve done everything it is pretty much possible to do at my age to be involved with politics. And if you honestly think that the USA is merely a ‘republic’, or at least has no imperial overtones, than that is so laughable I honestly can’t be bothered to converse with you.

The USA is a great nation with a great history and has done a ton of good things for the world. But that does not excuse its more questionable acts of imperialism.

Anyway I’m not arguing or replying any more. Always a pleasure.

ZEB · March 9, 2011, 4:09pm

[quote]Bambi wrote:

Wait so previously I was being indoctrinated by my pol sci teacher, now I need to go learn from one?[/quote]

Yes, you need to change whatever you were doing to something that actually works. So, yes by all means take a good political science course and also read some books. Take the time that you have and instead of posting on an American message board read some books and expand your knowledge.

Stop acting like an impudent little fuck. You’re not smart kid go play pretend with your little teen buddy’s. I will cut you no slack here whatsoever.

Pissing contest? What is wrong with you kid? You questioned my sources of information so I listed them and some of my experience. There is no contest here? You’re 19 years old. There is no more a contest between you and I than there is between myself and MMA champ GSP in a mixed martial arts fight. Get your arms around reality kid. Are you that naive?

For…6 months? Turn on the applause machine.

LOL, you should have left that out. BIG DEAL. I used to run my entire high school newspaper and write most of the articles. I don’t even think about that stuff now as it was insignificant.

I get free interns from my local college all the time. They get coffee, bring me a newspaper and generally ask how high when I tell them to jump.

Good boy keep reading and learning and living, in 5-10 years you may know what the hell you’re talking about.

BINGO! You just said it, and I thank you. You’ve just admitted everything that I’ve been saying. I agree you have done everything that you can FOR YOUR AGE and good for you. But therein lies the problem as I have been saying – your age. You have not lived long enough to have done anything of significance, or learned all ends of the game. You can’t help that. But what you can help is trying to play big shot and acting like you know everything at the age of 19.

I’ve read and understand our constitution and we are indeed a republic, that is a fact. However YOU said we were an empire and that is factually incorrect. Now you’re trying to hedge that by saying we have “Imperial overtones” which is equally wrong. But then again I wouldn’t expect a 19 year old foreigner to understand the USA, or much else at this level.

This is what you should have said instead of trying to defend your lack of experience by telling us all that you were an intern (eye roll).

There’s nothing wrong with being 19. Just like there’s nothing wrong with learning to play baseball. Just stop trying to play in the majors when you barely understand the game.

Dustin · March 10, 2011, 12:20am