Jihad in China

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Just to clarify…

Make no mistake that the U.S. has the best Military on the World.

The problem we have is in solidifying gains. In other words, consolidating territory taken. We just don’t have the numbers.

China has the Military ability AND enough “boots on the Ground” to hold any territory that they take.

They are also swayed little by International opinion and certainly not any by their citizens.

Mufasa[/quote]

I think I’ll see another large scale conflict in western europe in my lifetime. And china will be a major player.

I really hope the Jihadists provoke China. There’s a fight I’d pay to see.

Well, maybe not. I’m not paying for such a short fight.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Interesting development with an insightful analysis.

BBC News - Al-Qaeda faces Islamist backlash [/quote]

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Very insightful.


I like to see the terrorists go up against these Chinese special forces deployed in Beijing for the Olympics. The Snow Wolf Commandos.

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[quote]4-13 wrote:
I like to see the terrorists go up against these Chinese special forces deployed in Beijing for the Olympics. The Snow Wolf Commandos.[/quote]

Against who? Tibetans? Students? Multi-partyists?

Cause, you know, Islamists tactic of choice is suicide bombings. And there’s not much any commando can do about someone with the resolve to blow him/herself up.

Out of curiosity. I realise they are pretty ruthless to minorities and whatnot. But how bad is life for your typical chinese man living in the city. Do police officers hassle you frequently, beatings, etc? or is it relatively calm?

[quote]lixy wrote:
4-13 wrote:
I like to see the terrorists go up against these Chinese special forces deployed in Beijing for the Olympics. The Snow Wolf Commandos.

Against who? Tibetans? Students? Multi-partyists?

Cause, you know, Islamists tactic of choice is suicide bombings. And there’s not much any commando can do about someone with the resolve to blow him/herself up.[/quote]

eh? terrorism goes beyond just suicide bombings. Theres always hijackings.

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Out of curiosity. I realise they are pretty ruthless to minorities and whatnot. But how bad is life for your typical chinese man living in the city. Do police officers hassle you frequently, beatings, etc? or is it relatively calm?[/quote]

Well I lived in China when I did business there so my experience isn’t all-comprising but it counts for something I guess. Its really not as bad as people make it out to be in China. Heck, the Communist Party enjoys one of the highest approval ratings in the world by its citizens.

Religious persecution, though it exists, isn’t as unreasonable as people think it is. The government just wants churches and other religious organizations to register themselves so the government knows of their existence and their activities. Unregistered organizations are illegal so the police will enforce the law as stipulated and carry out arrests. It doesn’t matter if you’re Christian, Muslim or whatever - underground organizations are a no-no.

So I would say its relatively calm. I was never harassed nor did I know of anyone who was. No one ever came to complain to me in private about how bad the country was.
It really isn’t any different than here in the US or any other country I’ve visited if you ask me.

Most Chinese if anything are proud of their country/government and why wouldn’t they? During the 19th century they faced rebellion after rebellion and suffered under European imperialism (ie. Opium Wars etc.) Then the Qing dynasty was overthrown and replaced by a Republic which then gets involved in civil war with the Communists. Then the Japanese invade.

Then after World War II, the civil war resumes. Then Mao launches his failed economic plan, the Great Leap Forward which causes famines across the country. Then you have the Cultural Revolution which sets the country back several decades. Then within 20 years, all of sudden the country becomes an economic powerhouse and the world starts talking about China being the next superpower. So yeah, if I was Chinese I guess I would have something to be proud about - especially about the government that brought us here.


oh about minorities in China. Many of them have special privileges believe it or not. They don’t need to pay as much taxes or are even completely tax-exempt.

They can also enter university with lower entrance scores and a certain number of jobs are ensured for them including positions in the government. And the one-child policy only applies to the Hans not the minorities.

Heres a picture of a Uyghur girl in the Chinese army.

[quote]lixy wrote:

Cause, you know, Islamists tactic of choice is suicide bombings. And there’s not much any commando can do about someone with the resolve to blow him/herself up.[/quote]

The Chinese might and can do what the Nazi’s did in WWII. If any of their troops are killed, 100 civilians are executed per each killed soldier.

Under those conditions, Islamic suicide bombings would amount to islamic suicide in China.

To the Islamists have the resove to face that?

4-13, what’s your take on how China would handle a terrorism threat?

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
lixy wrote:
Americans stabbed in China.

http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/olympics/articles/2008/08/09/relative_of_us_olympic_volleyball_coach_killed_in_beijing/

Must be something Confucius said.

Did Confucius say anything like Surah 9:5 or 9:29? If not, then you’ve made another irrelevant point.

Confucius was particularly anti-foreigner I believe… And besides, Mao certainly created a “religion” of communism and authoritarianism during his cultural revolution.[/quote]

So where did Confucius say to kill the unbelievers, Abe? Is their some mandate to fight those who disbelieve in Confucianism until they submit to the will of Confucius or the Confucian god?

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
4-13, what’s your take on how China would handle a terrorism threat?[/quote]

Well in a country with over 500 million cellphone accounts you can’t really do anything secretly without someone being able to take a picture or film a video. Especially in today’s world where China is receiving more than its fair share in the international spot light.

You also have to consider that one of China’s allies is Pakistan, a Muslim nation. Not to mention that China needs close ties to the Middle East for oil. Upsetting the Muslims is not really an option. China will respond a lot more leniently than one would expect.

Besides the occasional crackdown on suspected terror cells, China will just use its growing economy and the benefits it offers to appease its people.

For example, the Hui are a Muslim minority in China but they receive less scrutiny than the Uyghurs. Mainly because the Hui haven’t participated in any terrorist activity. The Hui themselves have enjoyed China’s rise because they live in China’s industrialized regions.

The Hui have also been Sinicized and have more or less integrated themselves with the Han majority. So China will just copy this approach over the years when they promise to do even more investments in the economy of the western regions.

Besides all that, China has promised the world a “peaceful rise”. War and imperialism often follows a rise of a nation, (ie. think Rome or Nazi Germany) so the concept of a peaceful rise is the core of China’s foreign policy.

China is actually making great steps into integrating with the international community. For example, something that the Western media never really reported was that China had dropped its support of Mugabe’s regime and had cut all assistance except for humanitarian aid to Zimbabwe.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

BTW: here’s a pic I took of window washers in Beijing. If you guys ever think your job sucks…[/quote]

I thought that pic was of jumpers or protesters before i got to your little P.S.

4-13, to what extent do you think the Hans’ condescension towards the “ungrateful” Uighurs is to blame for the tensions in the latter’s homeland? Every single Chinese person I’ve talked to, seem completely unable to understand how these “privileged” minorities (think Uighurs, Tibetans, etc.) could be complaining instead of just enjoying the benefits. That line of reasoning seems common to every other colonizing force.

I can appreciate the challenge of keeping about a billion and a half people in check. I also acknowledge the Chinese non-belligerence (relative to its status) when it comes to foreign policy. But when you get a 15 years old girl and women wound up enough to attack your authority with knives, it’s highly probable that you’ve done something to push them over the edge.

Uighurs seem determined to milk the media exposure of these Olympics. They just killed 3 cops today.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ijbN4TZ-Q8baRSmL9qcyI7zUQwCgD92GM40G0

[quote]lixy wrote:
4-13, to what extent do you think the Hans’ condescension towards the “ungrateful” Uighurs is to blame for the tensions in the latter’s homeland? Every single Chinese person I’ve talked to, seem completely unable to understand how these “privileged” minorities (think Uighurs, Tibetans, etc.) could be complaining instead of just enjoying the benefits. That line of reasoning seems common to every other colonizing force.

I can appreciate the challenge of keeping about a billion and a half people in check. I also acknowledge the Chinese non-belligerence (relative to its status) when it comes to foreign policy. But when you get a 15 years old girl and women wound up enough to attack your authority with knives, it’s highly probable that you’ve done something to push them over the edge.

Uighurs seem determined to milk the media exposure of these Olympics. They just killed 3 cops today.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ijbN4TZ-Q8baRSmL9qcyI7zUQwCgD92GM40G0[/quote]

well there has been a vast migration of Han people to the western regions in the past decade. Many Uyghurs see this as a threat to their language and culture. For example, even though the textbooks may be in their native language, a history class would be geared towards Han history and culture.

It must be how French Canadians feel. I remember when I was in Montreal, I kept speaking to the waiter in English at a restaurant while he kept talking in French, pretending that he didn’t understand English, despite the fact that he brought back the right order (hopefully without any saliva).

Many of these Han migrants also have the benefit of a better education so they usually receive the better jobs. I think its like any other country, no one really wants to work under someone they consider an outsider. And because of this, there is a growing wealth gap between the Uyghurs and Han people. On the other side of the fence, the Han usually view the Uyghurs as being backward and lazy because of the difference in work ethics.

Xinjiang is also close to Afghanistan and Pakistan where religious extremism has been able to make its way into China. Because of this, the Chinese government has put its hand into religion by approving or denying teachers at religious schools based on what they teach. The Uyghurs don’t share the Han’s concerns over this and view this as another interference into their lives.

The Uyghurs are also in close proximity with Central Asian countries that they are culturally linked with. There is a concern from the Chinese government about outside interference though they do have a reason to be concerned because the Soviet Union was able to back a separatist movement in Xinjiang and the CIA was able to do so in Tibet. So China has been seeking closer cooperation (the Shanghai Cooperation Organization) with neighboring Central Asian countries that are also fighting battles with Islamic extremists. The result is a growing feeling of isolation among the Uyghurs.

That is not to say that China is completely ignoring the plight of the Uyghurs. An effort has been made to reduce the wealth gap in China’s slight return to socialism.

I can’t help but wonder, what race on this planet does Islam NOT have a beef with? Islam has a grievance (and active jihad campaigns) against the Chinese, the Filipinos, the Jews, the Europeans, the Americans, the Japanese, the Chaldeans, the Russians, the Berbers, the Copts, the black Sudanese, the Ethiopians, the Nigerians, the Chadians, the Indians, the Timoreans…Have I left any out?

That’s an awful lot of grievance. It’s almost as if the Muslims are actually following the Islamic prophet Mohammed’s example from chapter 9 in the Qur’an and declaring war on everyone.

I had a thought today. We’re told constantly that jihad is both a “peaceful inner struggle” and “warfare for the spread of religion.” I’m able to find the proof-texts for the latter, but not the former. Can anyone help me out? Do they even exist? We’re told they do.

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Confucius was particularly anti-foreigner I believe… [/quote]

not really…here are some quotes from Confucius from the Analects:

  • All men are brothers within the four seas
  • Isn’t it great to have friends coming from afar?

[quote]4-13 wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Confucius was particularly anti-foreigner I believe…

not really…here are some quotes from Confucius from the Analects:

  • All men are brothers within the four seas
  • Isn’t it great to have friends coming from afar?
    [/quote]

PWN3D.